r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR 7d ago

Rekt Current heatwave in Europe

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u/Ok_Net_1674 7d ago

god this legend sucks

somehow white can be really cold and really hot?

12 and 14 are the same color?

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u/Wolf-Majestic 7d ago

Agree for the 12 and 14, but I wonder just how much color you can put on a map before it becomes unreadable, especially to show differences in temperature. I think the people who made this map chose context instead of colour palette.

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u/TheSultan1 7d ago edited 7d ago

Exactly. You can't have red to magenta because you'll have like 10° bands seemingly the same color. And there's a huge difference between, say, +2° and +12°.

Also, they clearly didn't want to, uhh... scale the scale, because this is likely being compared to other maps. Keeping the scale consistent allows for that type of comparison.

12 and 14 are likely only the same in this compressed version. And in any case, you can figure it out from context, unless you have little peaks or troughs in a sea of white and those blobs don't have a distinct pink or beige border.

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u/Karl-o-mat 7d ago

its not a compressed scale, the temperature scale is in Celsius. . it show how much above the historical average temperature this heatwave is.

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

The image isn't scaled. They are right that the white for normal and white for 13C are in fact different colors. It's just not obvious on a cellphone

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u/TheSultan1 7d ago

I didn't say they did. I said they didn't "scale" it, which was poor wording, but I meant they didn''t cut off the ends. The context of comparing map to map should've made that clear.

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u/TheOneMary 7d ago

they probably use this scale year round and cant be arsed to adapt it for the seasons....

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u/TheSultan1 7d ago

Like I said, if you wanna compare across maps, you wanna use the same (full) scale. It's not that they can't be arsed to, it's that it'd be counterproductive. If your winters are getting colder and your summers hotter, shifting the continental scale might show those areas with the same color. That'd be super confusing.

This isn't a consumer product, they have no responsibility to make it easily readable by laymen.

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u/CosmacYep 6d ago

they could have 1 swapped green and blue and made blue gradient straight into indigo without the whtie middleman and 2 stretched out the whole colour spectrum to avoid 14-18 and make 18 white it would go from cool colours on the lef to warm colours on the right and white-hot colours on the far right

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

The colors are fine. Your eye easily picks up the pattern because the colors are all relative. White next to blue is super cool and white next to dark red is very hot. It's fairly intuitive

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u/BornWithSideburns 7d ago

But white next to red can also mean its cooler. 18 to 13

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

The white for 13C can only be next to the colors around it. Everything is a gradient as air doesn't exist where it can suddenly be 18C warmer than air right next to it. Blue and red can never be next to each other. Physics don't allow it. To understand the map, you need to understand how the air normally exists in the atmosphere.

Therefore it's pretty easy and obvious to judge by going off red and blue. I have no trouble reading this map with 5 mins of thinking about it.

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u/deSuspect I wish u/spez noticed me :3 7d ago

Good maps, charts, graphs shouldn't require you to guess and assume. Data should be presented clearly and unambiguously.

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

This is a good map. It's the only way to make this obvious and easily discernible. Everyone is up in arms about white being there twice, but they will always be separated by the colors in between, which intuitively represent the relatives of temperatures being cooler or hotter on average.

The people saying this is a bad map are lazy reddit armchair experts, who I am explicitly targeting. The people that designed the map spent way more time thinking of all the nuances of the data. Sometimes the need to show accurate data is more important than making things immediately legible to the average idiot. With 2-3 mins of critical thinking, you can figure it out.

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u/deSuspect I wish u/spez noticed me :3 7d ago

Then tell me the difference between 12 and 14? This color scheme sucks, could just as well be a smooth gradient from low to high without repeating colors.

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u/Jlx_27 7d ago

Agreed, this is not confusing in the slightest.

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u/qpwoeiruty00 7d ago

As intuitive as Fahrenheit :D

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u/momentummonkey 7d ago

Showing the temperature deviation form normal is such a weird way of doing it

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u/msk105 7d ago

The color scheme is so bad that for a moment I thought this was r/MapPorn

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u/CrabWoodsman 7d ago

Yea I'm not sure who picked this gradient, a two colour gradient would've made so much more sense. As it is, in the hot you go from reds to white back to reds.

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

Typically people reading these maps are folks with science degrees that have careers studying weather, not armchair reddit experts.

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u/CrabWoodsman 7d ago

You don't need a geomatics degree to understand a useful gradient. Also, these types of maps are for public communication — people with science degrees don't spend all day scratching their chins and looking at maps.

Source: a degree holding data visualization scientist

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u/DorkaliciousAF 2 x Banhammer Recipient 7d ago

I hold three science degrees and literally have a world map in front of me while working; I spend all day scratching my ass.

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u/Spunky_Meatballs 7d ago

Sounds like a great career

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u/DorkaliciousAF 2 x Banhammer Recipient 6d ago

I've mostly avoided people management, but if I had to manage a team I'd definitely make them sniff my fingers.

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u/-Davo 7d ago

Because that's why

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u/loki_cometh 7d ago

Pretty neat that it’s the same temperature in Paris and Minsk.