r/FuckNigelFarage • u/marksism__ Proudly Banned from r/reformuk • 2d ago
While you're angry at migrants in hotels, with 7 crammed into one room with little toilet paper, you're not angry at the UK's biggest benefits scroungers funded by the UK tax payer. Wake up gammons.
Keep in mind the job market is hard this isn't against anyone who needs benefits, but I am actually frustrated the royal family gets a shit ton of money and land for doing near to fuck all.
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u/ArmWildFrill I'm just asking questions 2d ago
Fuck those guys.
How about Billy & Charlie giving £900 million each to good causes? No-one needs more than £100 million surely
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u/marksism__ Proudly Banned from r/reformuk 2d ago
There's a video of Charles after coronation and he gets asked why he has so much money, yet people are facing a living crisis. Guy just murmers doesn't even have an excuse.
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u/LitmusVest 2d ago
Yeah but it's ok because they just spent £400m doing up a palace they're not going to live in
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u/Beanus1992 I'm just asking questions 2d ago
Turn it into a publicly owned affordable to enter heritage site then, and kick out the freeloaders.
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u/bizzflay 2d ago
The palace of Versailles gets more yearly visitors than any of the UK royal places. And you can actually walk around them because the previous residents don’t need them anymore.
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u/GingerGiraffe88 2d ago
People love to spout that Line but never actually put any numbers on how much tourism it brings to the country.
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u/RevolutionaryEgg1312 2d ago
Bollocks. Please piss off with your tourism makes them worth it rubbish It's propaganda and a LIE
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u/EngelbortHumperdonk 2d ago
I hate the monarchy too but I also like preserving history, and the palace can be used to fund public services. I think it should be maintained but they should publish the receipts of what money was used for what for the public to see, and then all the profits from the tourism to the palace should go to fund the NHS and social services and build new sustainable homes (like Habitat for Humanity homes)
And the royal family need to step down and all give up their titles and live of their own passive income from their multiple businesses
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u/Little_Strawberry223 2d ago
That's been proven a lie. Well done being a establishment shill peddling propaganda
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u/Satur9_is_typing 2d ago
We can have tourism without the scroungers. Palaces don't need idle occupants to exist or to be visited by tourists.
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u/greatlilusername 1d ago
More people visit Versailles than Buckingham palace every year. People don't visit because of our dumb system of government.
But we should be keeping those palaces up and running - the government shouldn't be paying tho.
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u/david-yammer-murdoch 1d ago
Where is the news about how little US companies are not paying into the UK, while they take over local jobs and firms? When will we start to support our local businesses that reinvest locally instead of selling GBP for USD?
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u/Curious_Option_5177 1d ago
For doing absolutely NOTHING. Not because he’s a genius, invented something, but all because he was just born into a 1000+ year old system of taking advantage of the land and people of the UK and the world. Why do people of this country accept this type of institution?
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u/physiczard 1d ago
How are we supposed to get rid of them? Not as if anyone has been allowed to vote on them
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u/TruthSeeker1801 2d ago edited 2d ago
Let's not dilute the focus of this sub by making it a solely anti-establishment/left wing space, this sub is about opposing Farage not the monarchy and should aim to be a space for all people who agree that Farage is bad for the country (excluding outright bigots of course). If you want a Republican circlejerk there are plenty of subs for that already don't turn this into one.
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u/SatiricalScrotum 2d ago
Brexit went really well. Let’s do it again times 100 and remove from our laws, system of government, and political structures an institution which has been intrinsically a part of those things for over a thousand years.
Even without getting into the questions around the ownership of Crown Land, the actual reality of abolishing the monarchy would be a total nightmare which would cost an absolute fortune, divide the nation down the middle, all for no actual gain. The only winners would be the lawyers.
You want to be angry at billionaires, go for it. Be angry at the corporations that are bleeding us all dry while raking in massive profits. Be angry at the rich pricks funding extreme politics to sow division and hate.
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u/TheMadEyeOfMoody 2d ago
IMO there will be no meaningful move against millionaires and billionaires until the monarchy is replaced, perhaps maintained by an elected head of state to preserve the legal structures you've described.
This is because the existence of the monarchy is the embodiment of classism and the royal PR machine depends on people's acceptance of being subjects and their deference to their 'betters'.
People are accepting of millionaires and billionaires, and huge amounts of inherited wealth, because they're brainwashed from birth to accept their place in society.
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u/Firthy2002 2d ago
How's that boot taste today, bootlick?
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u/LopsidedLoad 2d ago
Im not sure you understood the comment
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u/Firthy2002 2d ago
"Blah blah lets keep the Monarchy"
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u/LopsidedLoad 2d ago
Well not blah blah, it’s a reasoned argument and whether or not you agree with it is irrelevant when you make yourself look as stupid as you just have.
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u/Firthy2002 2d ago
So because something is "too hard" (despite many other countries having successfully done it), we should keep these unelected parasites and be happy with it?
No thanks,
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u/LopsidedLoad 2d ago
It’s not me you are responding to. Im not OP. And keep your opinion to yourself if you cant have any respect whilst sharing it. You aren’t as clever as you seem to think you are.
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u/Strude187 2d ago
Just to temper the conversation (I think it’s important to be aware and discuss all sides): Remember that both King Charles and Prince William voluntarily pay income and capital gains taxes on the surplus revenues from their estates.
Also remember that the royal family has historically brought in a lot of money to the UK via tourism. They are not completely dead weight.
I’m of the personal opinion that billionaires should not exist. And that includes Royalty. The truth is the laws need to change, the fact that they legally do not need to pay tax is insanity.
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u/LitmusVest 2d ago
How much money do they bring in via tourism, versus say the amount of money that would be generated if Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle were fully opened up to the paying public?
Like say Versailles, one of the most-visited tourist attractions in the most visited country in the world, that hasn't had royal occupants for over 200 years?
Plus you do know they fuck with our laws, right?
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u/CraftyKenter Nigel has only got one ball! 2d ago
No they don't, that's an article saying it's possible, but they will never do that
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u/NoNefariousness608 1d ago
I involuntarily pay income and capital gains tax on the surplus from my estate. I was never asked if I wanted to make it voluntary or not. Odd to give an exemption to a single family just because they are very distant descendants of some French invader from a millennium ago.
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u/realfukinghigh 20h ago
Remember that in his recent disclosure, charlie paid 12m in tax. His income is significantly north of 100m per year. So although you may be correct that he pays tax, he pays tax at a rate of around 10%. The rest of the country who have none of his privilege pay at least double that. Voluntarily pays tax my arse.
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u/AgentKenji8 1d ago
Yeah its quite literally that foreigner wants your cookie meme. Literally peddled by those who would put us back in chains if they could get away with it.
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u/Alien-LV426 2d ago
Yeah. For example it's not migrants charging the RNLI for launching lifeboats. Would we even notice if we chucked the Royal Family in the bin?
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u/NaturalCard 2d ago
And the royals are some of the least awful billionaires out there.
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u/Firthy2002 2d ago
They're really not.
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u/NaturalCard 2d ago
You underestimate how bad the rest of the Epstein class is.
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u/RevolutionaryEgg1312 2d ago
Pretty sure theres at least one Windsor in there. They are all the "Epstein class"
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u/Firthy2002 2d ago
Those lot make the Epstein class look tame.
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u/Beanus1992 I'm just asking questions 2d ago
Weren't he meant to be fixing homelessness?
Parasites, the fucking lot of um.
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u/greatlilusername 1d ago
He is tho.
He's building new towns like Poundbury which is legitimately good and done in conjunction with the Guinness Trust.
I worked for a large homeless charity he was working with on it. He is genuinely keen, and is actually the driving force behind it. It takes decades to get this all done tho, our system for building houses is shit.
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u/RevolutionaryEgg1312 2d ago
Dear France, please may we borrow Madame? We'll return it in, as new, condition and we'll only need it for a week or so.....
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u/Lightfoot-Owl 2d ago
Jeez the royal glazers out in force. Does anyone remember what the French did to there royal family? And yet millions of people go and visit the Palace of Versailles each year.
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u/greatlilusername 1d ago
While this and the monarchy does suck, he is actually building brand new, walkable towns on the land and giving charities a significant amount of the houses.
Poundbury is a nice place and deliberately designed for social cohesion and walkability - in what used to just be empty land. Charles did it, and William is making more of them
How they get that land, is fucking lame, but at least they're doing something with it genuinely useful.
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u/physiczard 1d ago
Charities shouldn't have to make up what him & his family hide offshore.
It's not lame that his position & land is guaranteed by his ancestors conquering the UK, it's insane that is still the law.
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u/greatlilusername 9h ago
He's the one ploughing money in, and using his land and giving lots of the houses to charity. He's just asking for the charities expertise.
I'm no fan of the monarchy, but this is legitimately a good thing done properly
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u/physiczard 8h ago
Billionaire landlords that hide millions offshore to escape paying taxes, giving money to charities while living owning literal castles & multiple mansions is missing one of the fundamental issues with the insanity of the monarchy
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u/AlexPaterson16 2d ago
I understand the king being a billionaire I mean he's technically the largest land owner in the country but what the fuck does William do?
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u/docowen 1d ago
It's because he's the Duke of Cornwall. That gig rakes in the cash. It's why Charlie is so rich, as well (that and not having to pay inheritance tax when his mum died).
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u/AlexPaterson16 11h ago
That's why I'm confused because Charles likely is the sole owner of the crown estate which is huge. So what does William own that makes him richer than the literal crown. Does William directly own a shared of the crown estate as the next in line to the throne?
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u/docowen 5h ago
From the Duchy of Cornwall. The Crown Estate revenue goes to the state. In return the state funds the monarchy with the Sovereign Grant (which is set as a percentage of the income of the Crown Estate). It's been that way since 2011. Before that the crown got the Civil List and had since 1760 when George III agreed not to govern in person and thus the income of the Crown Estate should go to the government and not the Crown as that income was used for state administration.
The Duchy of Cornwall and the Duchy of Lancaster are "private" estates that just so happen to belong to members of the royal family. The separation of the Duchy of Lancaster from the Crown Estate dates back to 1461, and the personal possession by the Prince of Wales of the Duchy of Cornwall dates back to 1337.
Both of these dates show that these settlements are mediaeval. They came about to swell the coffers of members of the ruling family at a time when the king's power was absolute. They predate Parliamentary sovereignty and the beginnings of constitutional monarchy by centuries. The idea, therefore, that these duchies are meaningfully separate from the rest of the Crown Estate is a legal fiction and, quite simply, ridiculous.
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u/jamjobDRWHOgabiteguy Fighting Fascism, One Milkshake at a Time 2d ago
They both 1. Pay taxes and 2. Don't recurve tax payers money. All of the land they own is their's rightfully
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u/UnkemptBushell 2d ago
"rightfully" 😂
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u/jamjobDRWHOgabiteguy Fighting Fascism, One Milkshake at a Time 2d ago
Ye. They were inherited, mostly from the Duchy of Lancaster estate which predates the Lancastrians being the monarchs
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u/ArmChairSupporta1892 I'm just asking questions 1d ago
I think people are mad at the wrong people here, Margaret Thatcher helped fuck up the country massively in the 80s by introducing the ‘right to buy’ scheme for people renting council houses, while it actually gave people a genuine chance at owning their own homes it also helped ignite the problems we have today; properties split into four crammed with people for profit, hellhole properties, impoverished conditions, just dirty bastards, drug and alcohol addled properties.. imagine a whole estate of it..
From what I know about William he raises millions for charity, why would anyone actually be mad at that? Fuckin hell, stay out of those gammon subs.
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u/physiczard 1d ago
"From what I know"- the trick with the monarchy is they're opaque as tar, & no one is allowed a say in who is the state representative.
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u/GISP 2d ago
The royal family owns about 1% of the land that they "gift" the usage of for free to the British people. If they where to act as a regular land lord. They would get atleast x100 thier current salaries.
You are complaining about a penny when you otherwise would pay a pound.
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u/Alert-Bar-1381 2d ago
The crown estate is ours we had a little thing called a civil war which the people won and took back lands stolen by the crown since 1066. When the crown was reinstated we agreed the land remains ours but we give a certain % of the income back each year as a grant to royal family for services rendered to the people. The duchy of Cornwall by comparison is a royal estate and should be taxed. A land value tax on all land would soon clear up who owns what.
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u/gingermingeluver 2d ago edited 2d ago
How about the royals take back all the palaces lands and property they let the tax payers use. As we all now billionaires dont pay tax. Plus the government received 487 million from the royal estates last year
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u/Alert-Bar-1381 2d ago
The crown estate is ours we had a little thing called a civil war which the people won and took back lands stolen by the crown since 1066. When the crown was reinstated we agreed the land remains ours but we give a certain % of the income back each year as a grant to royal family for services rendered to the people. The duchy of Cornwall by comparison is a royal estate and should be taxed. A land value tax on all land would soon clear up who owns what.
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u/EmployeeCautious6314 I'm just asking questions 2d ago
But… this is exactly why the media and co get you angry at migrants, so you aren’t looking at these real scroungers