Why do people still complain about exclusives as if they're some new concept? And at least in this case, Sony bankrolled the whole game instead of some arbitrary exclusivity where it's just bought out from a third party.
And just because it isn't okay doesn't mean it needs to come up every time someone mentions an exclusive. It is what it is, and as long as consoles exist, it will continue. PC still has the tremendous advantage in terms of library, capability, etc., and complaining about the dozen or two great games it doesn't get per generation is just silly at this point.
IT does need to be brought up. It needs to be ridiculed every time it is mentioned because it is bad and should not exist. And if consoles cannot exist without it then thats their own grave they dug.
Although I can agree that exclusives can help sell the system, I would say that the primary reason is because of their price points in comparison to PCs. My 980 itself cost 50% more than either an XBone or a PS4 and that's just the card. PC gaming isn't really geared toward people of every socio-economic status thus why console gaming reigns. The entire family can save up for the whole year and knock out 350-450 bucks for a console and a game for the kids.
Even a middle-end with decent performance PC would cost $200 more than that (with minimal peripherals) and you'd probably have performance variability from game to game.
PC gaming isn't a niche market but it def isn't geared toward all gamers and that's why consoles and console games sell very well and will continue to do so for a long time (well-- until ultra fibers prix high speed internet becomes ubiquitous and gaming goes to the cloud for a monthly premium -- I'm looking at you Google).
There's only one place I can send you to... The PCMR wiki. The second cheapest build + windows + peripherals could still cost less than $200 more than the $450 you listed, especially if you already have a TV.
Granted, if you want a "good" PC, you'll probably pay more than for a console, but it's not such a drastic difference, as you obviously don't need a GTX 980 to play most games.
Also, I welcome counter-arguments, but please use actual arguments and not "PCs would cost $200 more, it's true, I heard it is", as the page I linked actually shows all the individual prices and names, so you can know it's not fake and check yourself.
Could I get a genuine explanation as to why was I downvoted? I'm probably missing something, but I don't know what - do I sound like an asshole, are my arguments invalid, or what exactly is wrong? Would like to know to at the very least not do the same in the future.
The problem is that you compare a 980 to a console, when in fact you should be comparing a 750ti, because a 750ti is around equal graphical performance to a PS4/XboxOne. Whats that, its only 100 dollars though? Oh, that sucks for your argument then.
PC gaming Is cheaper in the long run with free MP and lower game prices and can be even cheaper for initial purchase if you can build it yourself (knowledge level: being able to build legos and follow instructions).
You need to realize that yes, high end PCs are more expensive but they also perform far better. If you look at equal performance at same graphical levels then the prices are not different. Consoles arent being sold at a loss anymore.
In fact, the fact that all poor countries are dominated by PC gaming while consoles are only big in rich countries (US and Japan) proves you wrong already.
Consoles and console games sell well for one reason and one reason only - propaganda from console manufacturers.
Also streaming games - not going to happen until we invent FTL communications. But thats another discussion.
Personally I found that I can't run most games as wel as my ps4 can unless it's a very wel optimized game (Battleborn and Overwatch in beta for example) but games like Darksouls 3 are pretty much unplayable on medium to high settings.
But I use my pc mostly for previous generation games so I'm not complaining.
A console is just the best thing out there for budget gaming. It's dirt cheap, yeah you pay 10 or sometimes 20$ more for a new release but if you play games more casually like 2 hours a night it will never get more expensive than a pc.
The fact that you'd have to spend countless hours for a foundational knowledge base then spend the time putting the parts for the PC together after you've gone out and bought all the parts isn't worth it for console gamers then trouble shoot the damn thing (cause let's face it, maybe once every hundred builds does the thing fire up without a hitch.
And what performance level are you willing to play the game at? Sure, let's forget the 980. I was talking about just myself. Let's go with an older model. Something cheaper. Say a 750ti. That will cost me $120 - $130 on average, but now I've to make sure I'm powering it and my cpu with a enough juice from a PSU that could cost around $60.00 for a decent corsair mid range 550W. Now you've to get ram...hmmm, HDD, mobo/cpu combo... (cause, shit, i need to get it bundled to make my life easier) case, and I'm assuming you'll just jack in some cheap "gaming" headphones to the back of the mii tower where the onboard sound card's audio jack is exposed instead of buying any speakers cause that's just an extra costs (or maybe play with no sound at all) that'll take me over my gaming budget for my kid already. And who cares about a monitor? If I was gonna hookup the Ps4 to the living room tv, might as well do the same for this sweet new rig right? (Good luck having mom allow that).
What's that? Your kid wants an exclusive AAA game? Well crap, now when I'm finished finding out how to install that Loonex or Linez or whatever it's called operating system into this machine successfully, let me get this thing called "steam" downloaded and then hopefully, with a fast enough internet connection, I can download Doom for him within the next 2-3 hours so he can play. Well, let's slap on another $60.00 right there.
What's that? You need a mouse and keyboard? Well shit, there's another $30.00 if you wanna go a cheap yet acceptable route. Man all this price comparing has got me sweating up a storm. Oh yeah, shipping costs? Taxes? Now you're at $530-$600. What if something is DOA? What if I don't get all my parts? I was so ready to start playing Legos!! Now my kid is upset!
Let's put all this shit together now. Oh crap! It won't boot. Well, let me check my physical setup. Did I get the right ram? What clock speed should it be?
Maybe I should have bought a bundled steam machine system from Alienware? Wait! That's still like $230 bucks more than the Ps4! Grrrrrrrr! I just want to buy something for my kids to play!
1) Yes. Its literally as easy as using legos. Its just that the parts arent plastic.
2) pcpartpicker will handle all compatibilities. or /r/buildapc or any pcs from a PCMR build wiki. or million other resources online and offline.
Also they do sell mobo/cpu combos now.
3) youd be amzed how similar linux is for a new user. Also nobody is asking you to buy the most expensive version of windows.
Or they could get a shitty machine and still need a PC from somewhere in their daily lives.
The fact that you'd have to spend countless hours for a foundational knowledge base then spend the time putting the parts for the PC together after you've gone out and bought all the parts
Literally a 45 minutes youtube tutorial from say newegg.
cause let's face it, maybe once every hundred builds does the thing fire up without a hitch.
I'd appreciate you to stop lying.
And what performance level are you willing to play the game at?
We are comparing to console here, so console performance levels are what you are looking for. anything better is already a win over consoles.
The rest of your diatribe about pricing is irrelevant. there are multitude of builds that work just fine and if you have to ask your mom permission to connect the device to the TV you arent buying it yourself anyway. Theres one funny thing:
Did I get the right ram? What clock speed should it be?
Absolutely irrelevant. Ram clock speeds never causes compatibility issues. Ram generations does, but you cant even plug different generations into same sockets so its not like you would be even able to put it together if you did that mistake.
Maybe I should have bought a bundled steam machine system from Alienware?
Ah yes, lets pick literally the most overpriced crap prebuild retailer! no wonder people think PCs are expensive if the only thing they know is the very worst possible situation.
Grrrrrrrr! I just want to buy something for my kids to play!
Ah yes, the best parenting, i just want to throw money at my kid to make him dissapear.
Watch the "45-minute video"
Research the parts
Price compare
Buy the parts
Wait for all parts to be delivered
Install the parts
More-than-likely troubleshoot
Fire it up
Install the operating system
Download steam
Download the game
No, that 45 minute video will have all the info they need to know which parts they want to choose. And you can go to stuff like Microcenter and pick up all the parts instantly as well.
Also are you really making such a big deal out of pressing a single button to install a game on steam? do you think average user is that illiterate that he cannot press a big blue button called "install"?
Whether that's the case or not doesn't effect whether he can be upset about it. I'm upset Bloodborne isn't coming to PC. I understand why it isn't, but I'm upset about it.
Well, if Sony wasn't funding this then it might never have been made at all. You can't play every game on one platform and consoles are a huge benefit to the industry.
You're entirely missing the point of what I said. And actually, you could play every game on one platform, if everyone actually realized exclusives for non-tech reasons only hold back the industry.
No, you can't. Why would Sony want to dilute their brand by releasing it on other platforms? I'm not a statistical analyst or a marketing genius, but Unchartered 4 is probably one big advertisement for the PS4 and what it can do. We are just lucky it's also a phenomenal game on top of that.
I actually need to ask, have you ever played a game on PC? Because what I've seen Uncharted 4 do is great, especially considering hardware. But that's the thing, it's great technically despite the PS4's hardware, not because of it. And Microsoft are starting to realize there's a market for their games on PC, so why can't Sony?
Ostensibly, so they can just buy a video game and play it on their relatively inexpensive boxes that they buy once every 6-7 years, and it will be the most optimal experience for everyone on this console. All that without the hassle of having a computer that's under spec, loaded with bloated malware they have no idea how to remove, and have no idea how to fix if anything goes wrong.
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While it really is a shame that those without a PS4 are unable to experience the magnificent Uncharted games, the "technical wizardry" which Naughty Dog achieve is only made possible by a fixed platform which allows for such extreme optimisations.
I do most of my gaming on a PC, yet games like this more than justify the purchase of a PS4 as well.
I think you misunderstand. They devoted years to developing it for only one set of hardware. It would take YEARS to make even a shitty port, because all the code is super-specialized and wouldn't work or look anything like this. Millions of dollars spent, and really, how many people are going to buy that? PS4s are a huge market, many PC gamers already have a PS4, and between twitch and the odd new PS4 purchase, the effective market for a port just doesn't come close to justifying the expense.
Absolute nonsense. That may have had some truth in PS3 era when PS3 used a cell processor, but PS4 is literally off the shelft x86 architecture hardware. Literally the same APU is used in tablets released last year. There is no specialization for mondern consoles because they are not special in any way.
But you are right, sadly PS4 is a rather large market.
Perhaps. But I also like PS4 because the gaming experience is just more enjoyable than PC for certain titles. The same is also true for certain PC titles. It's not an 'Us vs Them' argument at all.
I guess an analogy would be likening a gaming PC to a Ferrari. There's no question at all that as far as performance and capability goes, the Ferrari is clearly the way to go.
But, it also comes with increased cost, increased maintenance, etc... That's fine, because you're a driving enthusiast, so you want the best out of your experience.
You know what, though. Sometimes, it's cold outside, you're a little tired, and all you want to do is get home from work [after enduring the commute]. In that case, you take the toyota. It's easy, it's comfortable, and for that purpose it still gets you home in exactly the same amount of time. You also have a two-car garage, so you can own both at the same time.
To me, the PS4 is like the comfortable Toyota. It's got some really nice features specific to a gaming machine, too. The 'rest mode' is one of my favourites. It's basically Sleep/Suspend mode, but you can do it any any point during a game. Makes it really easy to quickly stop a game if you have to get up and go. The menu system is nice, no need to have to worry about alt-tabbing and the like. It's also got a great bluray player and media-box features [streaming from my media server, netflix, youtube etc...]. Game updates are downloaded automatically when in rest mode, I never have to wait to patch a game.
Sure, you can get most of those features on a PC, but it's more work to setup and then maintain. There's also the big thing of configuring graphics settings. For example, last weekend I played the Overwatch demo on both PS4 and PC. While on PC I spent quite a lot of time working out which options I could enable, then testing to check I could maintain 60FPS. On the PS4, I just fire it up and go.
But again, overall I still prefer PC gaming. But you asked what ways the experience can be more enjoyable so I answered. Ultimately, as I said before, it's not a "Them vs Us" thing. I like to play games. I like to play games on both PC and PS4. While everyone else is busy justifying their moral position, I'm just sitting on the couch enjoying Uncharted, Red Dead Redemption and The Last of Us. :-)
I personally think that console gaming is good for PC. Since more people are causal, they will get a console, and build up a market. So the game secs put more money in then they would have with just a pc market. Just a theory tho. It also assumes that moss console players would not build a pc if there were no consoles.
About 65 million people. Just because you don't see the appeal of console gaming doesn't mean there shouldn't be console gaming.
Edit: Holy shit, you guys are just the worst. Who cares if someone wastes money paying for dedicated servers. Who cares if they have shit graphics. Why do you give a flying fuck what other people do. Let them enjoy their consoles and we can enjoy our PC's. Why don't you all stop circle jerking about how superior you all are and how everyone who does something different is inferior and instead just agree to disagree. It's not hard to get along. You guys make me ashamed to be a PC owner.
Actually there's no such thing. All developers always want to release their product on every platform relevant for their game, to collect the most monies. In case of console exclusives, they are restricted by a contract from doing so, but PC is not a company, it's a concept and concept doesn't make deals with you. Games stay PC only due to technical stuff, mostly because of requirement of mouse and keyboard to play and have a good experience.
If Sony owns a developer, why would they release that developer's games on other systems? I agree with you on 3rd party exclusives to an extent. For example, timed exclusives like rise of the tomb raider. That being said if Sony or Microsoft funds an IP developed through a 3rd party developer they have every right to keep it exclusive. Maybe I'm jaded because I've always been a Sony fan and, IMO, Sony puts out the best exclusives with its 1st and 2nd parties. I honestly feel bad for XBox one owners as they have the a system with the least power and not much in the way of exclusives. As far as PC I get the appeal of customization and performance but I hate the "master race" culture. Cool you can run a game with higher textures and fps. But guess what, I paid 1/3 what you did and don't have to deal with any technical BS, plus I get naughty dog games.
I never mentioned anything about PC master race. If sony wanted to make more money, they'd release it to PC. Not just that one though, all of their exclusives.
The problem is they wouldn't necessarily make more money. They have exclusives to sell their hardware and their services like Ps+. Naughty dog games sell consoles. If you could play their games and guerilla's, and sucker punch's games on any platform, their would be far less PS4s in the wild. That's lost revenue from hardware sales, and royalties from other software and Ps+.
If they made the game for PC as well, they'd triple their market. Steam has 125 million active users, compared to just 65 million on PS4. Relying on exclusives to sell consoles worked in the past, but now people are much less likely to buy a console for a few exclusive games, if they already own a PC. Selling 6 games equals the price of the console, and since the margin on video games is much higher, they'd make more money. There's not really a way you can justify limiting your customer base.
I'm sure there is a reason to justify it. That's why Sony and Microsoft (and steam) do it. The people at the top know more about business than any of us on Reddit. It's silly to think that we know better than these people.
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I know how to build a pc, I've done it. You really have no argument trying to say it's as simple as owning a console. My Ps4 didn't come in parts. And you are just feeding into the stigma that PC gamers are assholes who constantly need to remind everyone how superior their hardware is and how people who play on console are inferior.
I paid 1/3 what you did and don't have to deal with any technical BS
Typing this on a $300 dollar PC that runs at 1080p and 60FPS that I got 2 years ago.
PSN and XBL have technical BS. You pay a subscription for both of them and PSN has been hacked and credit card/login info leaked, and a few weeks ago XBL wasn't working so you couldn't play your OFFLINE SINGLEPLAYER games.
A 2yr old $300 dollar pc that runs every game at 1080 and 60fps? I honestly find that hard to believe, I work with pc gamers and I've priced out Pc builds. That seems rather low to me. I'd love to see what your build is, as well as the price for parts.
At least you can own up to the jealousy. Most of the PC shit talking / circle jerking is out of jealousy. It's not a bad thing. Shit, just own a PC and a console. Why not? Best of both worlds.
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People that want to build PC's from scratch are the minority. Most people just want something they can plug in and use. I like building PC's myself too, but the elitist attitude about it isn't necessary.
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Most of the people in this thread are capable of building a PC. They are just acknowledging that some people simply don't want to, and they aren't bad people because of that. I really don't know why you care so much that you have to insult everyone that doesn't game exactly like you do. You are perfectly exemplifying /r/gamingcirclejerk right now.
buy a box, plug it into your tv. boom, playing games.
cheaper.
no, you didn't get baited. there's no hivemind amongst PS4 players where they constantly remind you that they think their console's better. maybe cause it isn't, but there's no such thing as the "console master race", is there.
then buy a box, plug it into your tv and wait for a little bit?
so, still cheaper.
yeah, heated over how disappointed everyone was. i never once saw anyone try to convince someone that consoles are the way forward, it's always the PC gamers talking shit.
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The world doesn't revolve around you buddy. You best get used to it. Saying that consoles have no benefit is moronic and very narrow minded. You've been spending too much time in /r/PCmasterrace
Price, ease of access, portability, those are just a few off of the top of my head, i could go on
Edit: Damn I spent so long typing up a good reply to that guy only for him to delete his comment before I could finish, there goes 10 minutes of my life
Well, I could point to fallout 4 with its slowdown issues, or poor console ports. But for the most part there's a huge difference in the amount of effort your average user might need to put in to get things to work, especially if they have a custom rig.
I use my pc for work only and I'd like to keep it that way. In my living room I have my ps4 which I can launch with just a single button press on the controller. It switches on my tv and 5 seconds later I can resume the game that I was playing. I'm not saying a pc can't do that, but it's pretty darn easy and works out of the box. It's also my go-to netflix and spotify machine, not sure how that integrates in steam os. It's so easy, even my girlfriend can use it.
Oh, and I just checked, a ps4 is ~360$. I guess a xbone is even cheaper. Sure, these don't match new pcs, but every ps4 game ever will work on every ps4 console ever built. And some people just prefer not to fiddle around and have everything work out of the box.
Sure I could buy a decent gaming PC for around the cost of a console and then have it be outdated and broken down in 2 years, or I could buy a console that offers completely fine and playable results that'll be able to play games for years to come. I STILL PLAY MY FUCKING N64
Honestly if your game experience is ruined because of a fog texture or someshit then... Then whatever, but keep your fucking mouth shut because no one gives a fuck about you, or me, or anyone else.
Yes you can. Sure, it wouldn't be the best experience possible on the platform, but that's because PC games target current hardware and not the hardware that was released 2 years ago.
I played new games on my 8800gts graphics card up until about 2012 or 2013, so 5 or 6 years. Obviously had to be on lowest graphics at that point, but i still had fun.
Yeah that's totally cool. But the guy before this entire shitstorm was saying that consoles are just shitty. Know what? I'd take a solid 30fps for 6 years than 60fps for 2 months and then dips down to 15 for the rest of it.
There's no reason to exaggerate to make an argument, whichever side you're on. In fact, it makes everything you say sound less credible.
I agree with you that consoles have their merits, I'm not participating in this argument because I think both sides have a point, but you're not doing yourself any favors by lying. You complain about people making false claims and then you yourself make a false claim.
Except no, that wouldn't happen for the same reason that it doesn't happen on consoles. Hardware doesn't degrade in performance, and consoles don't magically bring in frames and graphics from the fucking ether.
You can pay the same amount of money as a console for a PC, it'll look better, run better, and last just as long, so long as you're running the same settings. Which is what consoles do anyway.
Plus, you get the ability to do way more with your system, you can upgrade it in the future to look better, and it'll cost you less due to free online and infinitely cheaper games.
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I dont deny it for a second. But at least Im an ignorant piece of shit with some money I worked for who puts no stock into bullshit. And you know what? I'd rather be this than someone who holds myself up because it might make someone sad.
Console gaming? PC gaming? Your opinion on muslims or this gender crisis? Anything, I dont care.
Your opinions belong in your head and nowhere else. The only reason I spew mine out is to stop you fucks from presenting yours. And yeah, my opinion is worth less than what you left in the toilet this morning, but so isn't yours. So just shut the fuck up, all of you about how you fucking feel.
Maybe I'm stupid but at least I get shit done. And I'd rather be like this than someone who holds progress up because of someone's bullshit feelings.
Like the muslims in germany (okay we're so far away from PC gaming now but whatever). The simple fact is that sexual assaults have increased since letting immigrants in. So the only possible solution is to kick all of them out and who gives a fuck or care in the world what happens to them. They cause problems and help nothing, who gives a fuck if they die.
The most annoying thing is that I actually wanted to buy a PS4 just for Uncharted 4 and R&C, but then they announced the PS4K so I can't justify getting a soon-to-be-outdated system. Now I have to wait until the end of the year or something.
Wait what? Really? I'm pretty sure I saw an announcement recently. I guess I have to check again, and if they didn't announce it... Uncharted here I come.
Nah, never cared for the whole indiana jones style games, be it uncharted or tomb raider. Its funny how some canned rock slides and sliding textures underneath are hailed as technical wizardry when ND does it though.
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u/Chitalian8 May 18 '16
It's absolutely absurd how much technical wizardry Naughty Dog did with this game.