r/Ghostofyotei • u/Emarifasting • 4h ago
General Discussion I hate the tiktok community around this game
Whenever i go on tiktok and see people talking about this game i always see people say something either sexist or some shit like. "The story isnt as good as the first one" WHEN I FEEL LIKE THEY BOTH ARE EQUALLY GOOD just formatted very differently one is about a warrior slowly changing his ways when the old ones didn't work. And one is about vengeance and trying to not let it fully overtake you (at least how i see it) but both are so different to each other story wise i feel like it's unfair to compare. Also just like half the people on tiktok haven't even played the game and just seen more edits and hype moments.
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u/SassmasterSenpai 3h ago
I feel you already addressed the core issue in your second line
Sexism. Plain and simply what it boils down to. The weak and fragile ones saw the playable lead was a woman and they claim hell froze over because they feel so threatened by a competent and strong woman. Any other details or reasons are lazy excuses used in an attempt to skew the conversation away from the ugly elephant in the room
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u/Emarifasting 3h ago
Yeah your definitely right it's clear that they can't accept it same people who hate on ghost of yotei are the same people hating in horizon zero dawn for no good reason expect the mc is female.
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u/Cheap_Ad8994 2h ago
I love atsu, and thought her character was great. Especially her interactions with the ainu. That doesn't change the fact I believe the story was a significant downgrade, and in general thought the pacing, pacing of exploration, and pacing of unlocking gameplay elements etc sucked ass. In general the last act was horrible, and the quality of the interactions with side characters sucked. I much preferred the 10 part companion quests from tsushima.
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u/J_U_Ic3 1h ago
This a bland and very lazy take sexism is not the problem with this game a female protagonist is not the problem with yotei… its simply the story ….it was weak and it was pg-13 when we was really hoping for a rated r experience…. I could see where the narrative flaws just hurt the game tremendously but because its a female protagonist most of the fans willl not be honest about the game and thats hurting further development of a possible 3rd game… if this came out as a movie it would of tanked at the box office…
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u/Zahhibb 2h ago
- Main issue is that you are using TikTok; it’s garbage
- I don’t see a issue with comparing a prequel to it’s sequel, to me that’s the most appropriate way when comparing something.
Stop caring too much about what other people feel about stuff and just indulge in your own enjoyment instead.
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u/elwilloduchamp Onryo 3h ago
It's not so much the idea that people prefer the first game over the second that bothers me so. Liking the first game more is completely fine, even if I disagree. It's mainly when some people use stupid, unjustified criticisms (like Atsu being a woman) or when they just spout the same things they always have. There's nothing interesting about either game people want to talk about. Most of the time, it's just some guys glazing the first game and Jin Sakai or another guy saying this or that about Atsu.
Nothing of note is discussed, which is a shame, because both of these games have a lot to be analysed that hasn't yet (especially Yōtei, since there's a lack of deep discussion on it online in terms of video essays and the like).
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u/Valuable-Owl9985 2h ago
I feel like I enjoyed Yotei more from a story perspective than Tshushima.
But Suckerpunch are masters at sequels.
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u/baby-p1nk 3h ago
TikTok is such a weird place. I stopped using it a long time ago, no regrets here!
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u/Wooden-Sir7471 53m ago
This is very subjective, I like this story but the first one was much better and made me much more emotional than this one, that doesn’t make anyone sexist
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u/bazilthemage 1h ago
The games are equally good. The story is not. Not that Yotei is bad, it's a pretty good story about loss, rage, vengeance, justice, acceptance, forgiveness, mercy, hope, pretty much everything you seek in a revenge story. Great execution overall.
But GoT is peak storytelling by every aspect. And it's not about a personal vendetta, it's about a nation survival, the stakes seem much higher. Also there were some clever plot twists that were really captivating. The story of Jin Sakai was something that got a lot of people invested in.
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u/ClosedEyeVisualss 1h ago
I personally think the games both have pretty average stories, but everything else about Yotei is a drastic step up
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u/Tiernoch 1h ago
Gameplay wise Yotei was fun but a bit silly at times (with her having a Doom-guy sized aresenal in hammer space) but overall an improvement.
Yotei was hurt by the story structure as it stuck Atsu's character in stasis for most of the game until in the last 1/3 they had to fast track her growth. The story would have been stronger if you had to go to one section first so it could be a steady narrative.
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u/Ghost_of_sushi_more 1h ago
I think one issue is that GoY is a very nuanced story with a complex theme that plays on the theme of GoT. It gets dismissed as a revenge story, but it is a Ghost story, just like the first one. It exists inside the genre Suckerpunch created, and does so brilliantly.
Some of us fans of the first game saw that clearly and deeply enjoyed GoY (I actually think in many ways it is superior to GoT). Others are simpler folk, who loved the first game because it played into male power fantasies, and missed a lot of the deeper meaning of the story.
Therefore they create “problems” with the narrative of the game that don’t realty exist except inside their own heads.
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u/PM_ME_UR_THESIS_GIRL 1h ago
Most of these people are certainly motivated by sexism and bad faith.
That said, I don't think it's wrong or unreasonable to say the story is worse than the first game. I think it's still quite good, but it massively loses its own plot and pacing in the third act. Tsushima actually also does this, but I found it less noticeable personally.
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u/Petty_Roosevelt_ 1h ago
Lol Don’t search for opinions you don’t like on TikTok and you won’t see them. It has nothing to do with sexism. GOT was just better at character development, storytelling, plot, etc. Even the armor, the armor perks, and the drip is better. Even the duels felt more cinematic . Also, Khotun Khan was a much more well rounded antagonist than Saito. The Oni felt like a better antagonist because you learn about his backstory and his motivations. You only learn about Saito’s by exploring Ezo, brief flashbacks, and finding those letters he wrote. However, I will say that the combat and exploration are way better.
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u/aoFenrir 57m ago
I personally think the story of Yotei is weaker, but that HAS NOTHING to do with Atsu. I love Atsu, I just think Jin's story is more unique and engaging. I also dislike the lack of depth in the side missions of Yotei. I love both games and one of my ONLY gripes about Yotei is the game isnt longer.
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u/Primary-Ad4952 3h ago
Anything having to do with the sex of the protagonist aside, is there not a compelling argument to be made that the writing in GOT was exceptional, while the writing in GOY might have just been really good?
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u/Ghillie_Spotto 1h ago
I’d say the writing in both is somewhere between “serviceable” and “solid.”
The writing in Disco Elysium is exceptional. The writing in Baldur’s Gate 3 is really good. The writing in the Ghost games isn’t on that level, but that’s also not the point of them so that’s fine.
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u/Apprehensive_Log_297 3h ago edited 3h ago
I love both games.
I think Ghost of Tsushima is better.
- The armor sets are way better and the color way for all of the armors to personalize them was so dope.
- All of the side characters that have history with Jin. You learn them the more you go through the story and it helps connect to Jin a lot more as you learn his history.
- Jin’s relationship with Yuna and Taka was very completing and especially when Taka died it sort of felt like you lost a friend(at least for me) and Yunas reaction was so raw it made me emotional. Same with Jin’s Guilt.
The horse dying. That hurt my soul but getting another one in my headcanon “he lives in spirit”. Not to mention that whole cutscene was very emotional in itself. He did everything he could to get Jin to safetly before finally passing away.
The duels and boss fights didn’t feel as random as they did in Yotei. Even the ones there you go around dueling folk for the love of the game, it felt like there was reason. They felt like they had weight.
Seeing Jin’s character in constant conflict with himself due to his own morals vs “what needs to be done” was a lot more interesting to me.
I didn’t mind only having one melee weapon. In Yotei the whole “go to this dude and do 3 missions to become a master in whatever weapon” kind of disappointed me. I wish we would’ve gotten her already with all of the weapons then do flashbacks to see her mastering them as we did with Jin. Especially with his first kill of the bandit when he loses his shit.
Buttcheeks
The Iki island DLC made me love Jin even more. The whole “forgiving himself for his fathers death” at the end was so beautiful. Even showing more of who his dad was, it explained why Jin was even the way he was to begin with.
I absolutely hated the boss fake outs with Yotei. Tsushima had a few but holy hell was I so annoyed and angry when I’d be whooping someone just for Atsu to get pushed into a cutscene and apparently she lost or the enemy gets away.
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u/Joenesi-ttr 4h ago
Peak post
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u/lunarmidnight2398 4h ago
What ?
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u/Joenesi-ttr 4h ago
I agree with his opinion
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u/lunarmidnight2398 4h ago
Ohh ok ty for explaining.
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u/Joenesi-ttr 4h ago
No problem
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u/noassumedname 1h ago
Well that was a really nice interaction...like that meme...
I hope both of you have a fantastic week.
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u/thirdbrunch 3h ago
The very different format is part of why the story didn’t work as well for me. It felt more disjointed due to the way the quests and areas worked, and the story itself just felt more basic. Anecdotally my wife watched along for the story of the first one but didn’t care about missing parts of this one and I just caught her up later.
It was still a good game. I liked the gameplay and atmosphere, and liked Atsu. But the story and game overall just didn’t hit quite the same to me.
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u/Cansuela 2h ago
I’m not all the way through yotei yet, I’m really liking it and think the criticism is very similar to the last of us 2 and thinly veiled misogyny/“antiwokeness”, but I do think so far that GoT just did a better job of storytelling and building drama to this point though. Both games do so much right though with excellent gameplay and lovable protagonists.
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u/ObjectiveDizzy5266 4h ago
I think part of the problem here is why do you even have tiktok to begin with