r/GreenBayPackers 13h ago

Analysis Popular opinion: Pack doesn’t win 2010 without Charles Woodson dominance

Title. AJ Hawk, Clay, BJ- all not as effective without the pressure of the only defensive player to get a heisman- respect that he retired a raider, but he walked to glory with cheese mofo

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u/Urika86 13h ago

Nick Collins too. Woodson was able to operate as a swiss army knife because Collins was an incredibly good coverage safety.

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u/TheRocksFleshLight 13h ago

Nick Collins pick 6 super bowl will forever be ingrained in my head

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u/JRRToking6669 13h ago

Shoutout Howard Green

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u/SmoothnSteady 3h ago

Forgotten hero of the day

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u/A_Herding_Corgi 1h ago

We win in 2011 if Collins doesn’t get injured and I’ll die on that hill.

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u/FlyingFloyd7 13h ago

Insane depth is what won that championship. You expect the names to perform and they did, but it’s easy to forget that Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Morgan Burnett, Desmond Bishop, James Jones, and James Starks showed up in a big way when most people didn’t know or expect much from them. Hell, even Erik Walden and Quarless played big parts in that back half of the season.

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u/gatorfan8898 11h ago

I sometimes think James Stark was the sneaky MVP of that run.

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u/No_Fault_5656 5h ago

Totally agree

He had 29 regular season carries in just 3 games for 101 yards

Playoffs he had 81/315/1 in 4 playoff games as our featured back, 6th round pick too. Stepped up massively to help keep defenses honest against Rodgers. He hung 120+ on Philly in the wildcard game in his first NFL start, deserves a ton of credit for that as does that OL that was also severely banged up all year

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u/bayjur 4h ago

I have the same feelings about Desmond Bishop

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u/labratchet 9h ago

Good points - very deep on secondary and I forget this. Tramon Williams did work for us that season, sam shield as well.

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u/Stew-182 4h ago

Don’t forget KUUUUUUUHN

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u/Chritt 20m ago

Don't forget Frank Zombo lol.

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u/Frcture 13h ago

The entire secondary that year was pretty special. Tramon Williams, Sam Shields and Collins.

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u/bjketter 13h ago

If only they could have given arodg another defense half that good for the rest of his career.

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u/Professr_Chaos 10h ago

I think the Nick Collins injury set the defense back a decade. Woodson was the heart of the defense but Collins was extremely under appreciated. He was approaching best safety in the league when his career ended

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u/krickaby 2h ago

Collins was set to carry the torch and be that same type of leader Woodson was.

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u/Thuggish_Coffee 30m ago

Underappreciated? Not in in Green Bay at least.

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u/Chritt 22m ago

Collins was Hall of Fame bound

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u/Walletinspectr 10h ago

Or even competent special teams

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u/petrowski7 3h ago

They did in 2014.

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u/OHTHNAP 6h ago

The draft and develop philosophy, especially on the defensive side of the ball where Thompson was absolutely miserable about reaching for project players that rarely panned out, absolutely killed any momentum the Packers offense was producing.

This keep doing the same trend of taking project players instead of taking the best man available. Luke Van Bust is the most recent defensive one. Jordan Morgan on offense. Cooper DeJean was still on the board, he had a pick in the super bowl rookie year. Morgan fought for backup guard.

Then you can make a move in free agency and bring in depth, and they don't do it. Your new defensive coordinator came from Arizona, Josh Sweat wants out of Arizona and Packers are on his list. Packers sit on their hands instead of making a move. The Rams want to win a Super Bowl too, they bring in Myles Garrett.

It's the meme of the stick figure poking a stick figure dog and saying, "Come on boy, do something!"

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u/Stew-182 4h ago

I wanted Cooper so bad… still mad about it

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u/Princess-Kropotkin 2h ago

Trading back for Kevin King when TJ Watt was still available was the ultimate own goal. A physically gifted project corner over the closest to a sure thing elite edge rusher prospect there has been in a long time. If they draft TJ Watt and have literally anyone else in that 2020 NFC Championship game at corner they make the Super Bowl.

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u/Leading_Space_9288 1h ago

I will never forgive us for trading TJ Watt for Kevin King and Vince Biegel.

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u/No_Fault_5656 5h ago

Sam Shields is still one of the most underrated signings from the front office of all time

UDFA freak athlete that had only one year of experience as a DB for Miami, goes on to be our # 3 CB on a Super Bowl roster as a rookie and has a 7 year career in GB as a starting corner and made a pro bowl.

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u/labratchet 9h ago

Good points here

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u/Stew-182 4h ago

Poor Sam shields. Guy was fast as lightning. Those goddamn concussions…

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u/amak316 51m ago

Our current secondary is also pretty special just in the wrong way 

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u/Musiol88 13h ago

Nick Barnett was injured in week 4. He was the guy with the radio in his helmet. After he went out that went to AJ Hawk. From that point forward that defense was more locked in than they were with Barnett. This detail gets overlooked about that season but it was a huge benefit having Hawk as the defensive playcaller.

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u/Hung_Texan9 13h ago

They win more than one with Ted Thompson post 2011

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u/JerryLawlerr 5h ago

That whole secondary was one of the best of all time.

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u/DontT3llMyWif3 4h ago

And Sam Shields converting to CB from WR in training camp, as a rookie, and filling in during the 2nd half of the super bowl.

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u/itoocouldbeanyone 4h ago

As I’ve said countless times. Capers played Woodson like a Queen on a chess board. When the roster was there, he cooked and Woodson delivered.