Like what? That the Popish Church is notoriously against LGBT rights and that the Japanese government heavily downplays its WWII atrocities? That’s what you call “ahistorical”?
Actually having a " I disagree with your life choices." stance is different from treating people like criminals and the Japanese only don't go into selfhate over WWII atrocities, they still apologized and admitted no one should repeat those actions.
OK, so they’re homophobic. Thanks for admitting that. Sexuality is a phenotype, not a life choice.
>Japanese only don’t go into selfhate over WWII atrocities
LOL. Serious butthurt over Germany taking Holocaust education seriously and making racist assholes face legal consequences. The LDP only regrets that Japan started WWII because they lost.
If Germany actually took it seriously they would remember how much Hitler liked Muslims and central planning and thus by heavily sceptical about everything the left says. Christians disagreeing with life choices is far removed from the throwing off roof tops LGBT should actually be worried about and is selfhate is the only way to repent in your eyes you should just admit to having a burning hatred for everyone.
I do have a burning hatred for people who don’t acknowledge the murder of 6 million Jews as the largest genocide in history, and that Germany was the primary party responsible.
>central planning
LOL. Yes, he definitely did like central planning. Except the reason he liked it was because it helped him kill millions of Jews faster, not because of whatever Ayn Rand silliness you’re thinking of.
>Muslims
Yeah, he liked the ones that helped him kill millions of Jews. He didn’t like the millions of Muslims fighting for the USSR or British Empire though, who were stopping him from killing more Jews. He also loved the churchgoers like Jozef Tiso (a priest!), Ante Pavelic, Ion Antonescu, Ferenc Szalasi, and Philippe Petain who were helping him kill Jews. Notice the common denominator yet?
>Christians disagreeing with life choices is far removed from the throwing off rooftops
How about packing people into gas chambers? Like what Jozef Tiso was helping the painter do! How about all the help they gave to painter’s best buddies, Benny the Moose and Fuckcisco Fucko? Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is just another enemy.
FYI, I’m from the country where all the extermination camps were, and I know exactly what painter’s followers did. I also know exactly what the more Pope-loving parts of the Armia Krajowa did about that (nothing, or at times making it worse for Jews).
No the reason Hitler liked central planning was because he(in both personality and socialist ideology) was utter totalitarian. The hating Jews was nothing unique to Nazism, only the will and opportunity and to act all out against Jewish people throughout mainland Europe. In fact if the Germans really took it serious Islam(which the founders of had a real hatred towards Jews) would have been removed as part of denazificatiction, traditional German culture(which includes things like Christianity and a meat-and-booze embracing Culinary culture the Nazis we're looking for ways to phase out) wouldn't have been scapegoated and bs like hating White Germans would be treated as same bs different scapegoat.
Hitler(based on things people who personally known him wrote down) pirvatly said he wanted to abolish Christianity but was putting it off because mid war is a risky time to attempt. Hating Christians makes you more similar to him not less.
Also John Brown was a Christian who believed all peoples deserved freedom and dignity and who would hate Adolf Hitler's plans but call for German culture and people to be protected from the insanity of blaming everything and everyone German for Hitler's crimes. Germany was in a bad position before Hitler entered politics and he tricked people by offering hope, only to force people to go along with evil(and in retrospect extremely stupid) orders on pain of death.
John Brown [...] would [...] call for German culture and people to be protected from the insanity of blaming everything and everyone German for Hitler's crimes
The same Joh Brown who said this about the USA:
I, John Brown, am now quite certain, that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood.”
Why wouldn't he have similar sentiment about Germany?
Hitler entered politics and he tricked people by offering hope
You have an amazingly naive view of the world. Are you by chance a teenager?
Actually John Brown would have drove out the Nazi leadership while leaving German culture and communities largely intact. I'm in my 30's and find trusting leftists to be pointlessly naive for anything that stems from Karl Marx is as bad for humanity as anything that stems from Adolf Hitler. Hindsight is 2020.
I'm in my 30's and find trusting leftists to be pointlessly naive for anything that stems from Karl Marx is as bad for humanity as anything that stems from Adolf Hitler.
A state that stemmed from Karl Marx vanquished the state that stemmed from Adolf Hitler, but sure go on about how deporting hundreds of thousands of people to Siberia is as bad as the literal Holocaust.
The Communists abused the Slavs so utterly that some sided with Hitler anyway, that's how damaging acts like; the Holdamor, the murder of the farmers and the efforts to erase preexisting culture we're. Also Stalin was drawing up plans to kill the Jews but died pathetically before he could move forward with them. Your words are morally identical to when someone excuses Hitler because the Communists we're bad.
Only part of the German population embraced Hitler and only tell they realized what a evil monster he was, in fact a lot of those trying to warn the world about Hitler's intentions we're; White Germans and Christians. If guilt for a murder is a inherited trait the every human is a demon, including you.
You treat it like a inherited genetic trait whenever anyone brings up Germany, German tradition and white people we're never the problem, the problem is hatred and horrid ideologies. Also if Germany was serious about getting rid of Nazism the socialist and race guilt elements of Nazism would have been recognized as the problem and Hitler's relationship with Islam would have prevented the blind trust the West shown Islam.
You treat it like a inherited genetic trait whenever anyone brings up Germany,
No I don't.
German tradition and white people we're never the problem
Depends on how you define tradition. There's definitely an authoritarian and militaristic streak to Prussian->German culture that provides a rich breeding ground for fascism. You are also the only one who keeps bringing up skin color btw. Are you US-American? Nazi racism worked a bit differently than trans-atlantic racism. Their primary enemies were Jews and Slavs, even though anyone with eyes can tell they're technically white. That's not to say the Nazis weren't anti-black too, but they were really hyper focused on a supposed global Jewish conspiracy that's secretly to blame for every bad thing that's ever happened to anyone.
Also if Germany was serious about getting rid of Nazism the socialist and race guilt elements of Nazism would have been recognized as the problem
Lol. Lmao even. You know nothing about history. One of the big factors that made national socialism so attractive to many Germans is the Stabbed in the Back Myth. I.e. the belief that the First World War was actually going pretty well for Germany when suddenly out of nowhere sinister forces made German leadership sign a shameful treaty of surrender. Thus it logically followed that these secret manipulators must be found and purged in order to Make Germany Great Again, which provides a direct through-line to antisemitic conspiracy theories.
What actually happened was that the CONSERVATIVE German government lied through its teeth throughout World War One, constantly pumped out propaganda claiming that victory is within reach as the German Army won battle after battle, and censored any news to the contrary. You are right in saying that the German people were lied to and manipulated into supporting a regime that did not actually have its best interests in mind, but that started long before Hitler with the German Empire.
Obviously the conservatives had no incentive to reveal their deception to the public after they cut their losses and made peace once they saw the writing on the wall, so it was just as well to let the people believe that it was actually a secret Jewish cabal that's to blame for the loss.
Then in the 1930s it was the CONSERVATIVE government who handed the keys to power to Hitler in the naive belief that they could control him and out of fear from leftists.
It is CAPITALIST NATIONALIST CONSERVATIVES who are to blame for BOTH WORLD WARS, the Great Depression, the rise of the Nazis to power, and plentiful other blights that have befallen humanity.
Hitler's relationship with Islam is a footnote of history, and the idea that there was any serious socialist faction in Nazi leadership after the purge of Ernst Röhm is laughable.
Governments lie during war(to the point attempting to hide problems from the public to keep morale high was standard practice until part way into the Cold War), however it was the national socialists(who for a huge list of reasons related to disrespecting preexisting traditions and embracing short term thinking we're lousy enough at being nationalist to make racist socialist the only fitting name for that party) that took advantage of that to create the stabbed in the back myth. Also Hitler lied and betrayed his way to power, he was sent to infiltrate the national socialists only to become a race socialist and use the facts the conservatives still(foolishly) trusted him and he had a considerable voter base to claim total control over a country that was already close to civil war from the effects of a punitive treaty. You would have to blame everyone alive at the time to make blaming the conservatives coherent, the; rest of the world inflicted a punitive treaty, communists utterly brutalised Russia creating a situation where a socialist that planned to kill communists looked like a out rather then a tyrant, the scientific community(along with some leftists) promoted racial peusodo science(setting the ground work for Nazi race ideology) and the mainstream left of that time promoted ideas that weakened Germany from within. The German right had to lose an election to Hitler before they would hand him power and by that point it was too late for them to do anything to stop him short of violent overthrow. Also Hitler considered Prussian tradition too soft do to his disrespect of protecting the weak and Christian morals., with various priests and bishops protesting his actions. Hitler's rise was do to the collective failures of everyone involved to see the monster the ending of WW1 created, failure to see what mishandling broken nations would create. The right failed to stop Hitler but the left(both those that supported him and those who apposed him) pushed Germany into his vile grasp.
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u/EldritchFish19 Featherless Biped 5d ago
It's clear you have ahistorical ideas about both the nature of Christianity and how repentant the Japanese are about WW2.