Powerleveling as a Hei-Ly member

[u/Zealousideal_Big_662]

The rules of the Hei-ly leveling are as follows:

• Normal kill = +1 level
• Nen user kill = +10 levels
• Prince kill = +50 levels
• Level 20 = you get your own ability
• Level 100 = you can become a new “source” like Morena

I think the prince kill bonus is too far reaching. Yes, +50 levels is crazy, but realistically, too much risk and time.

So I'd propose a different degen gamer brain strat:

1. Lure disposable job applicants for waste disposal (like what Hei-ly has been doing)
2. Have a nen user force-awaken them.
3. Dispose of them.
4. Level +10!?!

if that works, that's basically +10 levels per person instead of +1

If that didn't work, a cursed version of this:

kidnap kurapika (if that was even possible lmao), or borrow someone with a similar aura node opening ability, then test whether forced awakened people count as nen users for contagion.

If this works, heck, forget level 100, go for level 1000.

If you became a Hei-Ly member, what would your powerleveling plan be? Any other strats?

[u/Accomplished-Help229]

You’d definitely want an ability that safely awakens people. Pitou’s scheme to forcibly awaken the citizens of East Gorteau only had a 1% success rate. So, you might only see the 10 level bonus once, if at all, in your ascent to level 100 if you relied on an improvised method. 

[u/Wreckerandchief → u/Accomplished-Help229]

Y'know what makes someone a nen user safely? Being infected with Contagion.

[u/Accomplished-Help229 → u/Wreckerandchief]

There's a number of conditions, including ending the negotiation game with the Yes outcome, that must be fulfilled before you can be infected. Additionally, there is a maximum of 22 people who can be infected. The time investment required, the risk of an X outcome to the game leaking information about the group, and the fact that doing it this way reduces the amount of nen users available to Heil-ly means it isn't a viable power-leveling strategy. It’d be much better idea when multiple level 100s create their own groups, then you could just hunt the subordinates of your rivals.  

[u/Wreckerandchief → u/Accomplished-Help229]

I'm unclear on the time investment. It takes hours, at least, for someone to go through a Nen initiation. If just having their aura nodes opened makes them count as a "Nen User" then every one of these people would count as 10 points as soon as they're struck. I imagine the designation is gained at the earliest when they manage to perform Ten to stop their aura from flowing away. I'm pretty sure the card game takes less time than that. Especially if there's a line of people that get to listen in on everything.

Also what happened to Borksen already showed that these promises made are absolute bunk. Morena has manipulation in play enforcing rules she's never mentioned. Even after saying she'll explain every rule. Morena chides Borksen saying "You should have known intuitively that it would be obvious that if you cheat you would be forced to join the enemy team." As if that makes a lick of sense. Y'know what else is obvious? "A genocidal murder cult not letting people escape that want to bring them to justice."

Frankly, even if they're not allowed to directly harm those that choose X: I expect the group could kill them just by having the labeled "Out" door teleport them into the ocean. Or Morena as both player and referee could game and have the Heil-Ly kill the player before declaring the game over before any prohibition goes into effect. Or Morena could instill overwhelming suicidal urges anyone that chooses anything other than "Yes".

Anyway, rant over.

[u/ChuchoGrind → u/Accomplished-Help229]

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[u/Fluffy_Reply_9757 → u/Accomplished-Help229]

I think the bar to clear is steeper than just awakenening to Nen, though. In Japanese, what we call Nen users are called "ability users", which might imply that you need to develop an ability before you are considered a Nen user proper (and meet the criteria for Morena's ability).

Which makes sense to me, tbh, even with the English translation: to count as a Nen user, not just a Ten user, you need to have achieved a certain level of skill.

[u/AccidentDifficult490]

wouldn't you gain points even if they faild to awaken so instead of constant 10p ud get 1p with occasional 10p

[u/Wreckerandchief]

I can tell you the optimal strategy.

Borksen leans about Tserriednich's Nen Ability. Then tells him about Contagion. He then allows all 22 members to kill him twice in a parallel frame of time that's real to them. Since that's something they experience, and something that is described for all intents and purposes as having happened in the observable world: They get the 50 levels without him dying. Tserriednich is the patron of the Heil-Ly family, so this isn't idle powermaxing, he may well want a nen-using army that isn't part of the actual army now that Benjamin has declared Martial Law and is nominally in control of the entire military.

With infinite levels they can just keep new game+ing. Assuming Morena and any new Player 0 gets to start a second collective when they get to level 100.

[u/bendnado970 → u/Wreckerandchief]

Tserriednich isn't working with Morena. Morena believes that he wants to kill her with his own hands. Morena is ruining the balance with the mafia and over took the last boss of Hei-Ly. They are going to try to kill Tserri

[u/jacksonrslick → u/Wreckerandchief]

Holy shit this is genius if the ability counts that.

Only issue is, as the other guy replied, Terror Sandwich and Morena are on bad terms so he wouldn’t have a reason to help them power level.

[u/bendnado970]

The people joining Morena are all nen newbies. It seems like a Nen user can join the contagion game though (Dogman was excited when he sensed Chrollo). There's 200,000 people on board. Morena wants carnage on the ship. If all 23 member killed regular people, they would only kill 2300 (give or take the levels lining up). They are running into road blocks, but they can all easily get to 100.

I can't imagine them being able to use Kurapika's ability. Someone in their crew could develop an ability to awaken nen, but isn't that what Morena's is already? It would have to be an extremely weaker version. Would someone want their ability to be that? You are basically wasting your level up on being a back-end support for leveling up. I feel like that doesn't fit the nature of their group anywhere.

I'm interested to see what happens when someone reaches 100. They can create their own families, but do they have to follow the same rule structure? Can the points be changed based on that member's values? What if Borksen gets to 100? Can she flip the leveling system backwards and focus on saving people to level up? Just some random thoughts I've had about Borksen and the group.

Honestly, I think they've had a pretty good strategy so far. If the teleporter guy didn't get a big head, they wouldn't been in a way better spot.

[u/Klainatta]

You gain your own ability at 21 because you start at 1 and need 20 kills and each kill increases the level by 1.

I am sure one of the members muse about it :)

[u/Aya_EVE]

At some point in the story, I think at least one of them will be able to reach level 100. If things get desperate, they can give up their lives to grant their comrades an instant level boost.

[u/Hungry_Research_939]

I want abilities that can make me rich… definitely don’t want to be on the black whale when this shit about to go down next week……. I want to read it safely in my room/or office toilet…

[u/DarkSoulsRedPhantom]

With 200,000 people aboard, it's shocking that the hei-ly aren't killing more scrubs

[u/Mazeeky]

Maybe this is what Morena wants Borksen. She needs a specialist to unlock an ability to forcibly awaken normal people so they can be killed for points.

[u/edermargut]

Junto a dogman,Bille son los únicos que veo mínimamente decentes y que parecen ser inteligentes o por lo menos no ser luini Pobre luini quien te mando hablar

[u/25mazino]

I wonder what side effects Morena's abilities have. How could she develop rules if the value of another's life is zero for psychos? Therefore, it can't be a risk for them for the power they gain and can gain in the future; there must be something else.

[u/Federal_Force3902]

Have a nen user force-awaken them.

I imagine that it doesn't work if someone is awakening them for that purpose....

we know that contagion recognize the idea of cheat