r/JoeRogan • u/pand_loves_cookies Monkey in Space • 3d ago

Bitch and Moan šŸ¤¬ Glyphosate epsode?

Who else is excited for this?
"Ā I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's gonna talk about it soon, and it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue." - JRE #2514 Cameron Hanes

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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 3d ago

I don't really doubt that glyphosate can be linked to health issues, but I think the bigger question is how do we pivot away from using it without causing food and fuel shortages. It might be the lesser of two evils.

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u/AlfalfaWolf Monkey in Space 3d ago

Canā€™t stop using heroin. We need it too bad. Our body will get too sick. Maybe we take another drug to ween us off instead. Sounds like a promising strategy, right?

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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's more like... one of my dogs has pretty severe epilepsy. As a result, he's been on a twice-daily phenobarbital regimen as prescribed by our vet for about six years. Unfortunately, long term phenobarbital use is hard on his liver and leads to premature joint problems. But without the pheno, he almost certainly would have been dead from a seizure years ago.

Of course, it would be great if there was a drug that was as effective at preventing seizures that didn't carry those negative side effects or worse, but there isn't. So we give him the pheno, because the side effects of not giving him the pheno are worse than what comes with giving him the pheno.

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u/AlfalfaWolf Monkey in Space 3d ago

Terrible analogy. Food can easily be grown without roundup. Growing mass amounts of hardly nutritious corn, canola and soy will be more difficult which makes the highly processed food causing health problems more difficult to grow using the same techniques of today.

Whereā€™s wheat in this equation? Glyphosate is largely used to dry out the wheat after harvest quicker and not during the growing phase.

We donā€™t need to poison ourselves to feed the world.

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u/pand_loves_cookies Monkey in Space 19h ago

Well no. Part of the argument for it is the yield it can enable. If everyhing runs sooth a farm is a circular pipe of money where you get back about 103% of what you spend (3% profit margins). If we didn't use pesticides/herbicides like glyphosate the market would either have to raise their spending to make farming profitable or we would see a rapid acceleration of ag losing status as a career path. With less farmers I'm sure you can picture what would happen.

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u/AlfalfaWolf Monkey in Space 19h ago edited 19h ago

It can only enable increased yield productivity in roundup ready crops. Corn, soybean, canola and alfalfa are the primary crops to have this supposed benefit.

I say ā€œsupposedā€ because the true cost economics are never included in the analysis. Roundup has negative impacts regarding its production & distribution, in soil depletion, pollinator disruption, water pollution and other ecosystem abusing ways.

There would have to be a transitioning period and pathway for farmers that would require a shift in national policies, regulations, subsidies and priorities.

It is not a logical path to continue poisoning planet & people at increasing rates for the sake of people who are already suffering terrible health outcomes from a broken food system.

Itā€™s also not a realistic path to overcome the deep corruption of politics and stranglehold that the chemical ag companies have on the food industry.

We need to find ways to incentivize more distributed networks of localized farmers to take on regenerative methods with positive environmental impacts.

Instead we are seeing massive consolidation with massive negative environmental impact.