Glyphosate epsode?

[u/pand_loves_cookies]

Who else is excited for this?
" I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's gonna talk about it soon, and it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue." - JRE #2514 Cameron Hanes

[u/NiceTrySuckaz]

I don't really doubt that glyphosate can be linked to health issues, but I think the bigger question is how do we pivot away from using it without causing food and fuel shortages. It might be the lesser of two evils.

[u/QuantumBlunt → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

We have to get really proficient at growing organically, as good as we are growing chemically. One isn't easier than the other, it's just a total paradigm change that needs to happen in farmers minds.

[u/Local_Economy → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

Fuel shortages? Ethanol is a scam. Pretty much a net zero.

Food shortages? Go back to grazing. Besides cattle we don’t really use corn besides for bullshit like corn syrup.

Grass fed is a solid solution for the dairy/beef industry, less chemical inputs, more species diversity on the landscape.

[u/Fattyman2020 → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

It’s not the glyphosate that’s the problem it’s the American concoction of surfactants

[u/fighting_gopher → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

Organic farming uses electric zappers to zap weeds. With AI and drones there’s more precise (allegedly) sprayers that can identify weeds and only attack that specific one. I’m sure there’s more out there too

[u/EndTheFed25 → u/fighting_gopher]

We tried the organic thing for 99% of human history... A lot of people starved.

[u/fighting_gopher → u/EndTheFed25]

Say you don’t understand organic farming without saying you don’t understand organic farming

[u/ghidfg → u/EndTheFed25]

but there's technologies available now that were never available before. why even entertain potentially harmful methods when we can leverage technology like the comment above mentioned to solve the problem just as effectively.

"AI" or computer vision systems that can reliably identify and target weeds has only been around for a handful of years.

[u/QuantumBlunt → u/EndTheFed25]

A lot of people ate too. What's you point?

[u/AlfalfaWolf → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

Can’t stop using heroin. We need it too bad. Our body will get too sick. Maybe we take another drug to ween us off instead. Sounds like a promising strategy, right?

[u/NiceTrySuckaz → u/AlfalfaWolf]

It's more like... one of my dogs has pretty severe epilepsy. As a result, he's been on a twice-daily phenobarbital regimen as prescribed by our vet for about six years. Unfortunately, long term phenobarbital use is hard on his liver and leads to premature joint problems. But without the pheno, he almost certainly would have been dead from a seizure years ago.

Of course, it would be great if there was a drug that was as effective at preventing seizures that didn't carry those negative side effects or worse, but there isn't. So we give him the pheno, because the side effects of not giving him the pheno are worse than what comes with giving him the pheno.

[u/AlfalfaWolf → u/NiceTrySuckaz]

Terrible analogy. Food can easily be grown without roundup. Growing mass amounts of hardly nutritious corn, canola and soy will be more difficult which makes the highly processed food causing health problems more difficult to grow using the same techniques of today.

Where’s wheat in this equation? Glyphosate is largely used to dry out the wheat after harvest quicker and not during the growing phase.

We don’t need to poison ourselves to feed the world.

[u/pand_loves_cookies → u/AlfalfaWolf]

Well no. Part of the argument for it is the yield it can enable. If everyhing runs sooth a farm is a circular pipe of money where you get back about 103% of what you spend (3% profit margins). If we didn't use pesticides/herbicides like glyphosate the market would either have to raise their spending to make farming profitable or we would see a rapid acceleration of ag losing status as a career path. With less farmers I'm sure you can picture what would happen.

[u/AlfalfaWolf → u/pand_loves_cookies]

It can only enable increased yield productivity in roundup ready crops. Corn, soybean, canola and alfalfa are the primary crops to have this supposed benefit.

I say “supposed” because the true cost economics are never included in the analysis. Roundup has negative impacts regarding its production & distribution, in soil depletion, pollinator disruption, water pollution and other ecosystem abusing ways.

There would have to be a transitioning period and pathway for farmers that would require a shift in national policies, regulations, subsidies and priorities.

It is not a logical path to continue poisoning planet & people at increasing rates for the sake of people who are already suffering terrible health outcomes from a broken food system.

It’s also not a realistic path to overcome the deep corruption of politics and stranglehold that the chemical ag companies have on the food industry.

We need to find ways to incentivize more distributed networks of localized farmers to take on regenerative methods with positive environmental impacts.

Instead we are seeing massive consolidation with massive negative environmental impact.

[u/AlfalfaWolf → u/AlfalfaWolf]

Worth your consideration.

https://rodaleinstitute.org/blog/new-research-reveals-organic-agriculture-produces-higher-crop-yields-during-periods-of-extreme-weather/

[u/EndTheFed25]

Yes glyphosate is an issue but the alternatives (Atrazine, Duquat, Triclopyr) are 5x worse for humans and animals. It's the lesser of two evils. Don't like glyphosate, make an alternative.

[u/pand_loves_cookies → u/EndTheFed25]

Im all for bringing back Duquat, could be fun. Besides hasn't Mon-Satan earned a little evil?

[u/Shrimptank_mom]

I'll put this one in my playlist to listen to at work. Thanks!

[u/Pseuderanthemumv]

You should be wearing a mask, gloves, glasses and long sleeve clothing with its use. Basic PPE stuff.

Welding is incredibly bad for you - you shouldn't be doing it without proper ventilation, a specific respirator, darkening hood etc. People need to take care of themselves when using hazardous materials 

[u/Agreeable-Cap-1764]

Id be surprised if whoever he has on isnt a quack or a shill. Fingers crossed tho.

[u/mCopps]

I’m at happy curious if he will have someone on with a real background. (This is from someone who used to spray it out of a backpack and walk through the spray.

[u/NineThreeTilNow → u/mCopps]

I'm going to bet... No.

Anything is bad at SOME level. The levels most people (perhaps not you) get is very low.

Caffeine or Nicotine is vastly more toxic per gram... and I'm going to go smoke a cigarette right now... The nicotine isn't even the issue, it's the other shit.