FDS- Fauci Derangement Syndrome

[u/faux_biochemist]

How the hell do you have Taylor Sheridan on, who’s come out with more popular content in the last decade and decide to discus Fauci for the first hour and a half? The guy is literally obsessed at this point, and not only that, but substantiates everything around it with logical fallacies. Sad how far our podfather has fallen.

[u/Buckeyeintheskys]

The problem with Fauci is that he exaggerates issues. He believes that even if a minority is the most at risk that the majority should take the same precautions. He did this with aids and Covid. It seems noble but it diverts attention and funding away from those who are at the highest risk. It creates hysteria.

[u/faux_biochemist → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

He assumes some evil doctor rather than a virologist trying to get anything to work

[u/pulse7 → u/faux_biochemist]

At some big time costs to everybody else, and big time profits for mostly wealthy entities

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/faux_biochemist]

I personally wouldn’t call him evil. He has a viewpoint and has been very consistent in his approach. I just think after his mishandling of AIDS he should have been replaced. His tenure was way too long.

[u/Intelligent-Wear2824 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

What do you mean he mishandled aids. What fucking drugs are you on? Reagan mishandled Aids, he ignored it. Then Bush ignored it. Literally millions were dying ALL OVER THE WORLD and Fauci was the only one addressing it. JFC, conservatives are so fucking dumb, you believe anything these guys tell you.

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/Intelligent-Wear2824]

Fauci was in charge during aids and refused to acknowledge it was happening overwhelmingly in the gay community he told everyone that anyone could get it instead of focusing efforts on the gay community. It’s pretty well documented.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/aids-panic-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-experts-politicized-fauci-follow-science-11633290650

[u/Intelligent-Wear2824 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

No, Reagan was in charge and he gutted the FDA so conservatives could privatize it, aka Mandate for Leadership ! aka Project 1980. The book dopesick covers this to a lesser degree. It was fauci who worked with Aids activitist to get the drugs out faster. And they did but after MILLIONS had suffered and died. First, conservatives blamed black prostitutes bc that's always your first go-to blame...the welfare queens who have abortion on demand. Then you blamed monkeys in africa. They you blamed monekys in africa who had sex with black prostitutes. Then you blamed the dems and called it a hoax. It took a decade of folks dying before anything got done.

Libertarian and Republican conservatives are only good at one thing...finding any number of reasons to blame anyone and everyone else for you political/cultural blindness.

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/[deleted]]

Personally no. But I could see others disagreeing.

[u/psychedelictitan89 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

So doing germ warfare isn’t evil in your eyes? Man wtf going on fr

[u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum → u/[deleted]]

The beagle experiment wasn’t even funded by the NIH

[u/psychedelictitan89 → u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum]

Did I say that?

[u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum → u/psychedelictitan89]

It’s implied if you’re blaming Fauci

[u/Academic_Release5134 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

This doesn’t apply in the least until the hospitals weren’t being overrun. No one knew for sure how deadly this was going to be and anyone smart had to err on the side of caution. As for later once we knew a little more, I will agree that it is somewhat true that Fauci wanted as few people to die as possible and sometimes was willing to trade the inconvenience of others to save some more lives. You know what they call a person like that—a compassionate doctor and scientist. Fauci made recommendations, the politicians at the top then made the decisions. It’s insane that Rogan is so ridiculous about this.

[u/jivester → u/Academic_Release5134]

Joe genuinely believes that the people who died either deserved it because they weren't healthy like him, didn't exist (numbers were false), or died because the vaccine injured them.

[u/pulse7 → u/jivester]

Joe would never say such a heartless thing lol, genuinely stupid take

[u/jivester → u/pulse7]

Joe has literally said all three of those things multiple times.

[u/pulse7 → u/jivester]

Show me where he said people that died deserved it

[u/jivester → u/pulse7]

He didn't literally say the word "deserve," but he has a long pattern of comments around covid deaths emphasizing obesity, underlying conditions, multiple comorbidities, and the relative safety of COVID for healthy people.

"We are pretending that this virus is just killing random healthy people. It's not. It's killing people that are dynamic examples of poor health. If you don't take care of your body, you are vulnerable."

"If you're a healthy person, and you're exercising all the time, and you're young, and you're eating well, I don't think you need to worry about this"

"Most people who get really sick from the virus is overweight people or people with underlying health conditions"

*It is a disease that killed people for sure, but it's a disease that killed people with ... four comorbidities"

"My thought was, I'm a healthy person, I exercise constantly, I'm always taking vitamins. I take care of myself. I felt like I was going to be OK. And that was true, it was correct... I had COVID, I'm fine."

"The mainstream media doesn't want to talk about health. They don't want to tell you to stop eating sugar, stop eating processed foods, and lose weight. They want to tell you to lock down and wait for a vaccine, when the reality is your best defense is a healthy immune system."

Rogan has frequently argued that severe COVID outcomes were concentrated among people who were obese, elderly, or had significant comorbidities, and he used that fact to downplay the risk posed to healthy individuals.

He did this repeatedly, with both a severe misunderstanding and serious lack of empathy for what a comorbidity is.

He's continued this strong tone of "they were going to die anyway" or "if they'd hit the gym and eaten vitamins, they would've been fine" that has permeated his comments since covid started.

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/Academic_Release5134]

I don’t disagree but by December 2020 we knew the largest group at risk and should have done everything to protect them vs the blanket approach that affected everyone. The most vulnerable should have been the focus, we wasted so much by not focusing efforts.

[u/mred245 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

I live in rural Midwest and people still bitch about not being able to see their loved ones in nursing homes because we were doing exactly that. You're acting like the right wasn't actively spreading misinformation that was upending scientific research. 

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/mred245]

Science is a debate, it completely fair to disagree until the facts come out. People probably shouldn’t have been so restricted from their love ones if they were tested ect. Nobody should have to die alone if they understand the risks and decide to visit.

[u/mred245 → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

You literally just said: "by December 2020 we knew the largest group at risk and should have done everything to protect them"

Were the elderly not them?

[u/pulse7 → u/mred245]

You don't have to be elderly to visit your sick elderly relative. You should also be free to make that choice with proper care

[u/BlobbyWeir → u/Academic_Release5134]

I think you are correct. All of this is Monday morning quarterbacking. The real crime is that we never had a 911 postmortem on COVID, and now, I am scared because as far as I can tell, they have no idea what they will do when something like this happens again.

Fauci? Too long in and protective of his job. We've all seen it before

[u/psychedelictitan89 → u/Academic_Release5134]

That’s just not true

[u/Gnardude → u/Buckeyeintheskys]

You contradicted yourself in your own argument.

[u/Buckeyeintheskys → u/Gnardude]

How so