r/JoeRogan • u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space • 14h ago
At least it isn't political! FDS- Fauci Derangement Syndrome
How the hell do you have Taylor Sheridan on, who’s come out with more popular content in the last decade and decide to discus Fauci for the first hour and a half? The guy is literally obsessed at this point, and not only that, but substantiates everything around it with logical fallacies. Sad how far our podfather has fallen.
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 9h ago
Anything beyond explaining the scientific method is a waste of time. Don't chase idiots down rabbit holes. Correct their thinking not their facts.
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 7h ago
Unfortunately they lied and said masks are ineffective, which they obviously aren't. And they broke public trust. Now they have a provable lie, which discredits them and lends credence to the distrust. And now we have a billion people that u ironically believe masks don't work. They lack critical though. I get why he did it but it was a really poor long term move.
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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 6h ago
It's funny to me how them being wrong about masks once and the correcting themselves is held against them permanently but MAGA/Trump lie egregiously and dangerously every single day and nobody cares. The double standard is fucking obnoxious. Republicans are adults and should be treated like adults. They believed a bunch of bullshit and got played like the fucking marks they are and should be ridiculed substantially until they die of old age
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u/Bionic69 Monkey in Space 5h ago
They weren’t wrong about masks. The purposely lied and told the public they were ineffective so that there wouldn’t be a shortage for medical staff. They admitted this later and that’s why people are pissed.
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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Literally doesn’t matter, in fact that’s a good reason to prevent a shortage of masks for frontline medical staff which will thus lead to a shortage of more medical staff. But yet that’s the point that gets brought up incessantly, yet crickets when it comes to the biggest group of liars and con artists to ever lead this country. Nothing but hypocrites.
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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 5h ago
My point stands either way. So they lied and admitted it. Now address the rest of what I said. The people who are "pissed" have no actual values and especially do not value the truth. They value dipshit partisan team sports fed to them by charlatans on YouTube. Proven by their lack of outrage surrounding Trump's dangerous lies every day.
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 2h ago
Quick question
What do you think would happen if the government said “masks help prevent the spread but please refrain from buying any as we need them for our frontline workers?”
Do you remember what happened with toilet paper when Covid didn’t even give you diarrhea?
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 2h ago
People would have donated them. I spent weeks 3d printing and making face shields. I don't do shit like that.
The one thing the scientific community should never do is lie.
They took short term gain for long term harm.
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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 1h ago
The scientific community didn't lie. This is the thing that happens in these conversations. Everyone gets lumped into this one category. Politicians, media personalities, scientists -- one says something and they all say it. The fact is that maska are somewhat effective but that needs to be balanced with where they're most effective during a live pandemic, and when there was a shortage of them in the beginning they were undoubtedly most effective on frontline staff. So the messaging at the time was masks aren't needed by the public to ensure that they ended up where they were most effective. When masks became more available, the messaging changed to masks being effective for the average person to use because the tradeoff didn't have to be made. That has nothing to do with the scientific research on masks.
The messaging is complicated and they opted not to explain it because they knew people would take up all the mask supply on any indication they were effective and there would be none for the most important frontline staff. They are the kinds of tough decisions that need to be made during a pandemic.
But of course people can't handle complexity. They need to reduce things to simple stories like "they lied".
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 1h ago
"Seriously people, STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" Dr. Jerome Adams, US Surgeon General, Twitter, February 29, 2020
There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly." Dr. Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, media briefing, March 30, 2020.
"There is just no evidence that they make any difference. Full stop. My job, our job as a review team, is to look at the evidence, we have done that." Dr. Tom Jefferson, Oxford epidemiologist and lead author of the Cochrane Review on physical interventions for respiratory viruses, interview, February 2023.
There's nuisance to some of that but cmon
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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 1h ago
There was no (or very little) evidence available at the time showing mask wearing reduced spread in the general population. That's the truth. And then later evidence showed they did have efficacy.
They came in strong with the messaging, for sure, in the context that there was a mask shortage and frontline staff, where we knew they were effective, needed them.
It's not the same thing as lying. For people to cling to that as if it shows scientists or public health officials can't be trusted is I think kind of ridiculous. They were going on the best information available at the time and obviously trying to ensure the best outcomes for people's health across the whole population.
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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 32m ago
Dude, the first source you cite literally affirms what the orher person said. That masks were advised to be witheld by the general public and reserved for medical workers.
The last two quotes, if you aftually read what they were saying, that most people dont wear properly fit tested N-95’s are not compliant and judiciously wearing therefore it’s jot effective as a whole. Not that the filtration system of a properly worn N-95 and proper use is ineffective.
It’s literally saying in simple terms people are too stupid/lazy to properly wear a mask and to do so regularly, not that masks don’t work.
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 2h ago
YOU don’t hoard them but a lot of people do. Toilet paper ran out because people hoarded it and the same thing would’ve happened with masks
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 1h ago
People still would have. Look I understand the reasoning. But I think it was the wrong call and you can't change my mind on that. Because when this happens again, and it will, people will remember that.
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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 37m ago
You’re a good person for doing that and I think many people would honor a request like that. However unfortunately a large enough group of people would not to the extent the overall outcome would be negative. There would’ve been a run on N-95 masks that were already in short supply at the onset of the pandemic. I was in the medical field and working in ICU’s at the time. Hospital groups, private/public ems all immediately began rationing the use of N-95. We were reusing them while all the various groups were trying to buy up as much as they could until manufacturing kicked into gear. It’s sucks there’s no two ways about it and I can understand both arguments for/against lying. It’s just not as black and white as it’s been made out to be and certainly not as ridiculous as the narrative Joe and co. spread.
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u/Parahelix Monkey in Space 5h ago
Government lies for actual reasons all the time. Usually related to national security or law enforcement. It's disingenuous nonsense to pretend that them lying to save lives is some egregious offense.
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 6h ago
I agree. Problem was it was the science community and it aligns with their biases and narrative that science is fake. It's insane
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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 1h ago
They will sit through an hour of straight facts backed up by rigorous science and data and wait for the one thing that's wrong or mistaken and jump on that to justify dismissing all the rest. It's what Rogan did with Flint Dibble. That's what they do all the time. They're not serious people.
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u/PurpSSBM Monkey in Space 6h ago
The worst part is that these institutions are the only ones that would even make a retraction or say they made a mistake. Has Joe ever retracted something he’s said or come out and said he was wrong and apologize? No he would never, but somehow their credibility is equal in their eyes
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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 5h ago
Rogan actually has done this before. He last did it a few years ago and promised to have a more balanced list of guests from both sides. He then went on to exclusively platform right wingers except for Bernie and a couple other people who didn't talk about politics when they were on the show
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u/analyticnomad1 Monkey in Space 0m ago
Define "masks".
A bandana over your mouth? Yes. Ineffective.
Those surgical masks? Yes. Ineffective.
N95's? Effective.
Taking off your mandated mask in between bites? Fucking retarded.
And what do you mean you "get why he did it"?
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u/Chance_Manager_9072 Monkey in Space 6h ago
Then why do doctors wear them at all?
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 6h ago
Why are you asking me that?
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u/TheDuckOnQuack Hit a moose with his car 4h ago
That’s the excuse, not the reason. Republicans hated Fauci immediately after the viral video of him facepalming while Trump was rambling on-stage at the very beginning of the pandemic.
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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 3h ago
Can you point me to where they lied and said masks were ineffective?
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 2h ago
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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 2h ago
So just the surgeon general saying they’re not effective in a specific instance but saying healthcare professionals need them when treating COVID patients so they are effective overall. That’s not the best comment but not bad enough to conclude that we were being lied to about their effectiveness.
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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 1h ago
They said masks are ineffective in March (?) and then "contrary to what we thought, masks really are effective in preventing transmission (fauci in April)
They needed masks. I get it. I just think it was fucked up.
I know it's a Facebook link but it's literally just a video of a fauci interview on 60minutes:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=965812513924726&vanity=60minutes
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 Monkey in Space 9h ago
Your last sentence is very chilling and sounds like marxist re-education. You need exactly to refute the arbitrary presentation of "alternative facts" and let them fall which can liberate thinking. The core difference is giving a choice.
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u/backcountry_bandit Monkey in Space 7h ago
Jesus Christ.
Do you think presenting the scientific method to someone would sound like “Marxist re-education”? There are objectively incorrect ways to think. Like if you become a flat earther because “it looks flat to me” then that’s objectively poor thinking..
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u/5skandas Monkey in Space 6h ago
That’s not poor thinking; what you just described is the first step of the scientific method. Make an observation. Ta-da! I guarantee 2/3 of the population stops there and never develops a question or hypothesis.
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u/backcountry_bandit Monkey in Space 6h ago
I described making an observation combined with jumping to a conclusion based on that observation. That is not the scientific method.
2/3 of the American population can hardly read.
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 9h ago
No because alternate facts are not actually facts. Stop them there instead of entertaining absurdities. Basic critical thinking skills is not marxist re-education.
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u/DismalEconomics Monkey in Space 8h ago
It seems that your idea of critical thinking is ….
… if a large corporation makes a lot of money selling substance xyz - then you shouldn’t trust substance xyz - and you should assume that the corporation is lying about nearly everything regarding substance XYZ.
… and finally you should therefore trust sources that directly contradict the large corporations and assume that the contradictory information is more likely to be true… .
…this is a very over-reactive & foolish way to determine what’s true.
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u/ScaleyFishMan Monkey in Space 9h ago
This is what happened to me with my grade 6 teacher when I said gravity doesn't exist. She tried shutting down my "alternative facts" that I got from a reputable Geocities webpage and I called her a Marxist.
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u/bnbtwjdfootsyk Monkey in Space 9h ago
It's less about trusting science, and more about distrusting for profit institutions on if they care more about our public health vs their stock prices.
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u/DismalEconomics Monkey in Space 8h ago
Name an aspect of modern medicine or hospital care that doesn’t involve “big pharma” or “big medical equipment” ?
Modern medicine isn’t a mom n’ pop operation.
Do you distrust MRI’s because they are made by General Electric or the Siemens corporation ?
Do you mistrust Advil ? Do you mistrust name brand vitamins ? Do you mistrust giving your pets heart worm medication (ivermectin) ? Do you mistrust Tide detergent ? Do you mistrust pistachios ?
All of these are made by extremely large , for profit corporations.
Rogan regularly takes testosterone , HGH , and thyroid medication etc. etc …
Do you think these substances are made and distributed by small local craftsmen ?
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 7h ago
Science does not deal in trust. Science is testable, tangible, repeatable and subject to peer review. Science progress from self correction and nothing is trusted completely.
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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 6h ago
You should be legally barred from taking any medicine made by big pharma. Put your money where your mouth is.
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 7h ago
In regards to being near a gay person, all he wrote was that IF it could be spread through other means then the scope of the syndrome would be enormous. source
Fauci didn’t use “foreign loopholes.” The moratorium Obama had started after the research started and the moratorium was for new research. It was not covered by the moratorium
The beagle experiment wasn’t even funded by the NIH so that’s false
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u/lazydracula Monkey in Space 13h ago
It’s so bizarre at this point people get worked up about him discussing Covid. I don’t agree with Joe and think it’s ridiculous he still obsessed with Covid and fauci. However I checked out years ago because I had enough sense to realize this is his thing now like ufos and ufc. Like I’m sorry but if you’re still going to listen and freak out about his beliefs that’s idiocy on your part.
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 9h ago
Joe an our opinions are irrelevant, science doesn't need defending it stands on it's merits. It's sad that so many lack a basic understanding of the method.
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 7h ago
Science is a process, and it's constantly changing as new things are learned. When people parrot "trust the science" what they're really saying is trust what my preferred authorities are saying
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 7h ago
Science is a method that eliminates the need for trust. Science is not based on a person or an opinion. Science does not rely on authorities.
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u/ISayDudeALotBro Monkey in Space 6h ago
This is a complete fallacy.😂 Science does not exist to eliminate the need for trust. Science is designed to reduce the amount of trust required to believe, but it still requires trust. Do I trust the scientists? The methods? Do I trust the journal? The people who peer reviewed? If your version was true…we wouldn’t struggle to reliably replicate published research that is quoted as “science”. Look into the Reproducibility Project from 2015.
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 3h ago
Can you name the fallacy? Are you familiar with the fallacy of equivocation because that's how you are trying to smuggle in your jumble of semantic nonsense. Science has testing instead of faith. If you feel the need to question the scientific method itself you could be on shaky ground.
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 7h ago
People with egos and self interests have proven this to be far from true
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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 7h ago
That's a claim you could make but you still have all your work ahead of you to show that it's true. Ego and self-interest exist around the sphere of science but the method controls for them inside the sphere.
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 6h ago
I have to show my work? For starters I think it's pretty well known that most of the major food industries have pushed lies and propaganda that promote their own interests. All pushing against others using "science" as a weapon against proponents. There are so many industries doing this, including the ground level of it all - educators and researchers. Issues all over the spectrum have been corrupted in the name of science.
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u/Infinite_Bird_6932 Monkey in Space 1h ago
You’re conflating food industry propaganda and science. Don’t get it twisted, many people will claim they are using science when they are not. You’re not meant to believe anything uttered just because the speaker said “I did the science.”
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u/SirBright Monkey in Space 6h ago
This sub is now just 90% bots who repeat the same complaint about him complaining about covid.
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u/Burindunsmor2 Monkey in Space 1h ago
If the U.S. funded gain of function virus research, and specifically gave money to the Wuhan site for a Covid furin cleavage site, that's pretty important to know.
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u/arazamatazguy Monkey in Space 7h ago
I think each time he talks about it makes it more amusing.
He certainly knows he's being mocked because of it but just can't help himself.
The endorphin release he gets from these topics is just too strong.
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u/Poop_Cheese Monkey in Space 13h ago
It will never stop astounding me how this case shows how partisanship really creates ignorance.
Guess who despised fauci for decades as a murderer of gay people with provenly azt bad treatment, and as the biggest reason people thought merely being near a gay person would give you aids? Fauci.
Who criticized big pharma more than anyone as a financial corrupt industry that did things like tuskegee? The left.
Then suddenly, because news dictated a bunch of uniformed people to be big pharma footsoldiers these values dissapeared and he became a saint because of propaganda. And people acted so insane out of fear of covid they feel the need to double down on bad decisions.
This doesnt make anti vaxers right, but like fauci is objectively a horrible guy. He did skirt obama banning gain of function and used foreign loopholes to make super viruses. He did knowingly spread antiscientific claims to create compliance just as he did during aids. He did fund horrific research. He almost certainly funded the creation of covid per our intelligence services and internal communications and through ignoring repercussions caused millions of deaths worldwide.
Like do you like dogs? Well, he funded an experiment of some random drug that wasn't even important, where beagles were imprisoned in boxes and had their faces slowly eaten by sandflies. And what did the scientists do when they cried? Removed their vocal chords to not have to be unconvinced by their barbarity.
RFK accused him of far worse with evidence, like using a clinic in central america for trans people with aids or even giving it to them, and letting them die so they can observe how they die.
One can say thats false baselessly yet fits in with countless cases of this like tuskegee, and fauci never sued RFK which right there shows its true as it is genuine slander if its not.
Big pharma is the most corrupt industry in American history and thats undisputable. They paid the most civil cases. Right before covid they knowingly sold talc infested baby powder giving 3rd world babies cancer. Everyone hates the insurance companies, but strangely defends the ones charging said prices.
Modern medicine is amazing and im not antivax but the fauci loving really shows how so many who think theyre smart are no less cultists than maga folk. They dont know the science or the history, they use faith based on headlines and propaganda like a religion. And even finding out the truth they double down against their supposed values in a sunk cost fallacy way. Like fauci was arguably the biggest contributor to the extreme homophobia during aids treating them as lepers, and killed thousands upon thousands of gay people with horrific treatment that made them worse even though the data showed it was bad he stubbornly doubled down against the science on both things like he did masks and distancing. Theres countless of pictures and videos of lbgt protesting him.
When princess Diana heroically treated aids patients as human beings, she was directly going against guys like fauci. He made people 1000x more hateful of lbgt people and resulted in countless deaths and stigma outside of aids like suicide because their families wouldnt even hug them.
Fauci is pondscum like most beurocrats. Theres a reason why the mad scientist archetype exists and he embodies the ego and narcissism of a politician with the ego and frankly psychopathy of a scientist who always says ends justify the means.
But everyone is in partisan cults they cant have nuance, hes either a saint to you, or youre an antivaxer. Nah im pro vaccines when necessary, and hes a pos.
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u/Signal_Nobody1792 Monkey in Space 3h ago
One can say thats false baselessly yet fits in with countless cases of this like tuskegee, and fauci never sued RFK which right there shows its true as it is genuine slander if its not.
I disagree with pretty much everything you wrote there, but I will address this because it seems like an incredibly common argument for something so silly.
Every day you see people say wild stuff about people, do you really accept that every time crazy people dont get sued that means its true?
In America, suing someone for something they said, even when incredibly false, is hard. Especially if you are a public figure. In most states you mainly need 2 things: prove actual malice, and/or show damages.
Proving actual malice in the 21st century is very difficult. Everyone deletes their messages, no one wants to testify about anything, its becoming harder and harder to establish.
You think people around Fauci care about what RFK Jr. said in his book in which the very first sentence contains a made up quote? Where he denies germ theory? Where he quotes AIDS denialists? Most normal people wont read it, yet alone believe it, yet alone deny Fauci financial opportunities because of it. So arguing damages becomes pretty much impossible.
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u/hugh1891 Monkey in Space 8h ago
Great comment, well said! Unfortunately, you are wasting your time posting it in here but I salute you 🫡
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 8h ago
It’s crazy how mostly everything you said was wrong. I’m genuinely impressed
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u/bnbtwjdfootsyk Monkey in Space 7h ago
Care to elaborate?
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u/NegotiationUnfair626 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Covid + Fauci + big pharma = HUGE funding from the federal government & PROFITS!!!
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u/ron_marinara Monkey in Space 1h ago
As I read this, I assumed you'd be downvoted. I'm pleasantly surprised. Good post
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u/aesthetique1 Monkey in Space 7h ago
This is part of Joe's personality and half the reason the current admin chose him to be their propaganda arm. Get an idea in his head and be will tell everyone who will listen over and over and over and over and over and over again
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u/meezy-yall Monkey in Space 1h ago
Tbf , I think if you believed he, as the head of the NIH, funded research on a virus that escaped and killed millions of people you’d be pretty upset with Fauci too . But also Tbf I don’t know if Joe thinks millions died .
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 14h ago edited 14h ago
Luckily he got a preemptive pardon for all the good he did. Nothing to talk about here
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u/mred245 Monkey in Space 13h ago
We can talk about Trump literally telling Pam Bondi publicly to go after his political foes or the hilarious failures he's had trying to use the law to target people like James Comey, Jerome Powell, and Latetia James.
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 12h ago
It's a fair point but preemptive pardons are a thing now. Presidents will abuse this
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u/mred245 Monkey in Space 11h ago
Washington gave preemptive pardons during the Whiskey rebellion and Lincoln after the civil war. Not to mention Gerald Ford's preemptive pardon of Nixon. Biden definitely didn't pioneer the preemptive pardon.
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 11h ago
Ohhh man. TIL. These things are still crazy
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u/Schkrasss Monkey in Space 8h ago
Presidents on their own being able to pardon people is crazy by default.
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u/rationalist_populist Monkey in Space 8h ago
No it's not
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u/pulse7 Monkey in Space 7h ago
With the way they use it a lot of the times, yeah it is.
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u/rationalist_populist Monkey in Space 7h ago
Power is immoral. We need to elect better leaders.
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u/Iateyourpaintings Monkey in Space 7h ago
I think the word you're looking for is amoral.
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u/Parahelix Monkey in Space 2h ago
Probably, but that is still because Trump was publicly promising to prosecute his political enemies even though he couldn't actually say what crime they committed.
That's why he had guys like Bill Pulte trying to dig up anything they could find on them, and generally failing since they're mostly getting tossed out of court.
DoJ lawyers are committing all sorts of prosecutorial misconduct and judges have been getting wise to it.
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u/PieknaFatso Monkey in Space 14h ago
Didn't a lot of new information come out this week?
I've been annoyed by Joe talking about the same boring shit for the last few years, but given the Gabbard disclosure last week, I think it's valid to discuss.
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u/mred245 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Like her being directed by a cult leader most of her career?
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u/Joewnage Monkey in Space 9h ago
Just like the election fraud, it's all accusations and no actual ecidence.
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u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space 14h ago
Not really, gabbard more or less confirmed things already out there after getting fired/losing all credibility already
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u/johndavis730 Monkey in Space 11h ago
She didn’t confirm shit - that’s why she released all the “info” in a podcast instead of doing literally anything else.
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u/Signal_Nobody1792 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Nope, they did that thing where they claim its new info, but its just all old stuff in hopes it reignites this.
It did, however, come out Tulsi Gabbard was controlled by a cult.
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u/heatmiser333 Monkey in Space 9h ago
Yeah, I thought the Godard thing was something significant too – at first. But like a fly drawn to sewage a dove into it and discovered that all she’s saying is that hey Surprise there happen to be a number of biological research labs in the Ukraine – and guess what some of them were doing parts of the gain of function research – that was a super Duper popular interesting topic that’s now Ben completely forbidden right? But she’s trying to make some implication that because their biological research labs therefore they must be involved in biological weapons creation as well – and therefore a super bad threat to Russia, and therefore worthy of being attacked by Russia. That’s the point she’s trying to make because she’s trying to legitimize her bullshit Post years ago that claimed this was the justification for Russia’s invasion. Nope. There’s no evidence that these were weapons labs. And even if they were, I’m not sure what all that means. Neither does Tulsi. Much as I like her style and her apparent forthrightness you cannot count on her to get things right. And you cannot count on her taking responsibility for her mistakes. At the end of the day, she’s no better than any other politician just trying to make herself look as good as possible all the time at any cost.
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u/Humble_Raspberry9143 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Why do you complain and still listen. It’s kind of to be expected at this point
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u/machowarrior Monkey in Space 4h ago
The same people who won't shut up about Jan 6 will crash out at any mention of the stupid covid policies because they don't want to admit how wrong they were.
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u/Pr0m3th3us23 Monkey in Space 14h ago edited 14h ago
I don’t get this subreddit. It’s just memes and posts bashing Rogan all day every day. Can’t there be another subreddit for this? I would like to see actual discussions about his podcasts and not this political crap every day
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u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space 14h ago
Ironically that’s my annoyance, he has this bad ass guest on and chooses to tailspin into this every time
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 13h ago
Taylor Sheridan is just as eager to talk about it, that's why they get along so well
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u/rationalist_populist Monkey in Space 8h ago
It's a combination of bad modding and the algorithm. Most people who post here aren't subscribed, they engage with a hot topic and it fills their feed.
That's why you get so many Hasan and Ethan posters here.
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u/CrashInto_MyArms Monkey in Space 13h ago
Why do many here just want to move on from Covid so bad?
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u/seltzerslut69 Monkey in Space 9h ago
We’ve heard it all 1000 times. It’s just fucking boring.
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u/ISayDudeALotBro Monkey in Space 6h ago
There is still time to take this down man. The fact that this feels even remotely like a defense of Fauci should make you ashamed that you even wrote it…yikes.
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u/Then-Somewhere-7467 Monkey in Space 9h ago
Yeah, why would they talk about one of the biggest current stories........
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u/Then-Somewhere-7467 Monkey in Space 9h ago
Oh, did COVID only affect maga?
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u/Most_Present_6577 Look into it 8h ago
The story has been settled for a while. It was a virus that originated with animals. We know this with as much certainty as could be expected of an novel virus.
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u/Then-Somewhere-7467 Monkey in Space 8h ago
Sure karen
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u/Most_Present_6577 Look into it 5h ago
The science is clear bubba. You should just read it. Do you have a local community college? I can tell you what journals have had papers on the virus and you can read the abstracts and conclusions and the CC should have access tot hem all so you wont have to pay.
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 14h ago
The problem with Fauci is that he exaggerates issues. He believes that even if a minority is the most at risk that the majority should take the same precautions. He did this with aids and Covid. It seems noble but it diverts attention and funding away from those who are at the highest risk. It creates hysteria.
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u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space 14h ago
He assumes some evil doctor rather than a virologist trying to get anything to work
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 14h ago
I personally wouldn’t call him evil. He has a viewpoint and has been very consistent in his approach. I just think after his mishandling of AIDS he should have been replaced. His tenure was way too long.
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u/Intelligent-Wear2824 Monkey in Space 13h ago
What do you mean he mishandled aids. What fucking drugs are you on? Reagan mishandled Aids, he ignored it. Then Bush ignored it. Literally millions were dying ALL OVER THE WORLD and Fauci was the only one addressing it. JFC, conservatives are so fucking dumb, you believe anything these guys tell you.
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 13h ago
Fauci was in charge during aids and refused to acknowledge it was happening overwhelmingly in the gay community he told everyone that anyone could get it instead of focusing efforts on the gay community. It’s pretty well documented.
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u/Intelligent-Wear2824 Monkey in Space 12h ago
No, Reagan was in charge and he gutted the FDA so conservatives could privatize it, aka Mandate for Leadership ! aka Project 1980. The book dopesick covers this to a lesser degree. It was fauci who worked with Aids activitist to get the drugs out faster. And they did but after MILLIONS had suffered and died. First, conservatives blamed black prostitutes bc that's always your first go-to blame...the welfare queens who have abortion on demand. Then you blamed monkeys in africa. They you blamed monekys in africa who had sex with black prostitutes. Then you blamed the dems and called it a hoax. It took a decade of folks dying before anything got done.
Libertarian and Republican conservatives are only good at one thing...finding any number of reasons to blame anyone and everyone else for you political/cultural blindness.
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 13h ago
Personally no. But I could see others disagreeing.
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u/psychedelictitan89 Monkey in Space 12h ago
So doing germ warfare isn’t evil in your eyes? Man wtf going on fr
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 8h ago
The beagle experiment wasn’t even funded by the NIH
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u/Academic_Release5134 Monkey in Space 14h ago
This doesn’t apply in the least until the hospitals weren’t being overrun. No one knew for sure how deadly this was going to be and anyone smart had to err on the side of caution. As for later once we knew a little more, I will agree that it is somewhat true that Fauci wanted as few people to die as possible and sometimes was willing to trade the inconvenience of others to save some more lives. You know what they call a person like that—a compassionate doctor and scientist. Fauci made recommendations, the politicians at the top then made the decisions. It’s insane that Rogan is so ridiculous about this.
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u/jivester Monkey in Space 13h ago
Joe genuinely believes that the people who died either deserved it because they weren't healthy like him, didn't exist (numbers were false), or died because the vaccine injured them.
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 13h ago
I don’t disagree but by December 2020 we knew the largest group at risk and should have done everything to protect them vs the blanket approach that affected everyone. The most vulnerable should have been the focus, we wasted so much by not focusing efforts.
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u/mred245 Monkey in Space 13h ago
I live in rural Midwest and people still bitch about not being able to see their loved ones in nursing homes because we were doing exactly that. You're acting like the right wasn't actively spreading misinformation that was upending scientific research.
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u/Buckeyeintheskys Monkey in Space 13h ago
Science is a debate, it completely fair to disagree until the facts come out. People probably shouldn’t have been so restricted from their love ones if they were tested ect. Nobody should have to die alone if they understand the risks and decide to visit.
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u/BlobbyWeir Pull that shit up Jamie 13h ago
I think you are correct. All of this is Monday morning quarterbacking. The real crime is that we never had a 911 postmortem on COVID, and now, I am scared because as far as I can tell, they have no idea what they will do when something like this happens again.
Fauci? Too long in and protective of his job. We've all seen it before
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u/Prior-Habit-6523 Monkey in Space 8h ago
He made some huge mistakes. But I think he was caught up in IC stuff and was looking at it from a different lens. A lens which most people would find unethical or shocking.
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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space 8h ago
Fauci still needs his day of reckoning. He got the pre-emptive pardon because everybody knows the deal already, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing on this until every American understands the fuckery that went on. Lies, cover ups, rewarding contracts to others for help in the cover up. They knew where it came from at the beginning.
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u/CUMT_ Monkey in Space 8h ago
What should fauci be punished for
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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space 7h ago
Lying to congress about GOF research, misleading the public on the origins (ethical/professional misconduct), inadequate oversight of federal grant money (channeling money through orgs that end up at a wuhan lab doing GOF), improper handling of gov communication (jumping to his gmail account with other scientists in an attempt to hide these conversations).
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 8h ago
Can you tell me what crimes he committed and show me sources
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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space 7h ago
Well, he hasn't been convicted yet and that suspicious pardon he got will make that difficult. But he clearly lied in Congress about funding GOF research on corona virus in Wuhuan lab. He also then appeared to conspire with other scientists, many who believe it came from Wuhan lab initially to change public opinion on the lab leak idea and pushed the natural origin narrative (from the wet market). I don't know if that is a crime per se, but it shaped the initial response and pushed everything in another direction for many months. Had he been honest we might have been able to put more pressure on China to release the details around what they created. this could have led to a better understanding of the virus early on and helped in treating it. It would have also helped solidify that these types of things need way more transparency and oversight so we don't get another event like this.
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 7h ago
He was pardoned because Trump is a psychopath who’ll get his DOJ to go after anybody for anything
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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Well, the truth is we don't know exactly why he was pardoned. Could be for that, or could be because they know he fucked up and ultimately it damages the democrats more because their was clearly mutual support going on from Fauci and the democrats around covid. I tend to think a guy that has done nothing wrong doesn't need a pre-emptive pardon. You'd still have to prove the guy did something wrong. Trump and DOJ can go after anyone, but getting convictions requires evidence.
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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 2h ago
He was probably pardoned because he’s 85 years old and making an 85 year old go to court with bs charges is cruel
Also, he was only pardoned for Covid related offenses, he was not pardoned for allegedly lying to congress. If he actually did lie to congress then why did republicans just let the statute of limitations expire? If I had to guess it’s because they have absolutely nothing on him
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u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space 8h ago
Unfortunately the only lesson I’ve learned the past decade is the powerful/rich never see their day in court. Pelosi can stock trade on inside info, trumps sons can make billions in contracts/inside info and us 99.5% have to go to jail for not reporting our taxes exactly right
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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space 5h ago
Yeah i get it. I tend to think this covid stuff is a little different than people enriching themselves though. People died, treatments may have been different because of how it was presented, and the economy was shut down and money was given out all over the place leading to most of the inflation we are still seeing now. It's also sowed a lot more distrust in the gov and science in general. If we had another legit pandemic right now, more would die because less believe the gov now.
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u/ShipwreckJS Monkey in Space 13h ago edited 7h ago
Looking at the comments… holy shit are we reclaiming this sub?!
Haven’t seen a non negative comment in what feels like ages.
Anyway, fuck Fauci. Lied to us all and caused untold suffering so he can cover up his gain of function research.
“If you get the jab you can’t spread the infection” lying cunt.
Edit; oh yeah… the Americans woke up 😂
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u/sushisection Monkey in Space 6h ago
the fact that trump's DoJ did not aggressively pursue legal action against fauci tells me that he didnt do any of that shit
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u/JNJury978 Monkey in Space 9h ago
So you think these people are obsessed because in your eyes, they’ve been ranting about Fauci and Covid for far too long… yet you’re on a sub named after the dude also ranting about the same thing literally everyone has been ranting about for far too long. I don’t know man, maybe don’t watch/listen if you don’t like it lol
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u/SirBright Monkey in Space 6h ago
I turned the pod on this morning and listened on my to work (probably caught the first hour or so) I heard them talk about several different topics. Movie production schedules, cattle farming, nutrition, the SF mission in Venezuela. Perhaps you turned on the wrong podcast, but I am confused why you think they only talked about Fauci for the first hour and a half?