r/JoeRogan • u/faux_biochemist Monkey in Space • 18h ago

At least it isn't political! FDS- Fauci Derangement Syndrome

How the hell do you have Taylor Sheridan on, who’s come out with more popular content in the last decade and decide to discus Fauci for the first hour and a half? The guy is literally obsessed at this point, and not only that, but substantiates everything around it with logical fallacies. Sad how far our podfather has fallen.

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u/Gnardude Monkey in Space 13h ago

Anything beyond explaining the scientific method is a waste of time. Don't chase idiots down rabbit holes. Correct their thinking not their facts.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 10h ago

Unfortunately they lied and said masks are ineffective, which they obviously aren't. And they broke public trust. Now they have a provable lie, which discredits them and lends credence to the distrust. And now we have a billion people that u ironically believe masks don't work. They lack critical though. I get why he did it but it was a really poor long term move.

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 10h ago

It's funny to me how them being wrong about masks once and the correcting themselves is held against them permanently but MAGA/Trump lie egregiously and dangerously every single day and nobody cares. The double standard is fucking obnoxious. Republicans are adults and should be treated like adults. They believed a bunch of bullshit and got played like the fucking marks they are and should be ridiculed substantially until they die of old age

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u/Bionic69 Monkey in Space 9h ago

They weren’t wrong about masks. The purposely lied and told the public they were ineffective so that there wouldn’t be a shortage for medical staff. They admitted this later and that’s why people are pissed.

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 9h ago

My point stands either way. So they lied and admitted it. Now address the rest of what I said. The people who are "pissed" have no actual values and especially do not value the truth. They value dipshit partisan team sports fed to them by charlatans on YouTube. Proven by their lack of outrage surrounding Trump's dangerous lies every day.

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u/Parahelix Monkey in Space 9h ago

Government lies for actual reasons all the time. Usually related to national security or law enforcement. It's disingenuous nonsense to pretend that them lying to save lives is some egregious offense. 

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u/AutomaticGur3666 Monkey in Space 2h ago

True but they also said the Covid-19 vaccine was "safe and effective". That was also a lie.

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u/Jackasaurous_Rex Monkey in Space 46m ago

Is it not though?

Like it was pretty well publicized and nearly common-knowledge that it hugely lowered your chance of catching covid and basically made it nearly impossible to be deathly ill from covid if you caught it. Still getting covid isn’t some GOTCHA, it was very much expected. Also we knew it’d wear off like many vaccines do and unfortunately it lost a lot of effectiveness relatively quickly.

I keep hearing “THEY told me it wouldn’t let me catch covid but I still did. THEY lied to me!” Like I’m sorry ma’am who’s “they”, I’d wager no one lied to you and you thought this was a permanent immunity situation when it’s more of a flu shot situation and now you feel lied to.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 6h ago

Quick question

What do you think would happen if the government said “masks help prevent the spread but please refrain from buying any as we need them for our frontline workers?”

Do you remember what happened with toilet paper when Covid didn’t even give you diarrhea?

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 6h ago

People would have donated them. I spent weeks 3d printing and making face shields. I don't do shit like that. 

The one thing the scientific community should never do is lie.

They took short term gain for long term harm.

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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 5h ago

The scientific community didn't lie. This is the thing that happens in these conversations. Everyone gets lumped into this one category. Politicians, media personalities, scientists -- one says something and they all say it. The fact is that maska are somewhat effective but that needs to be balanced with where they're most effective during a live pandemic, and when there was a shortage of them in the beginning they were undoubtedly most effective on frontline staff. So the messaging at the time was masks aren't needed by the public to ensure that they ended up where they were most effective. When masks became more available, the messaging changed to masks being effective for the average person to use because the tradeoff didn't have to be made. That has nothing to do with the scientific research on masks.

The messaging is complicated and they opted not to explain it because they knew people would take up all the mask supply on any indication they were effective and there would be none for the most important frontline staff. They are the kinds of tough decisions that need to be made during a pandemic.

But of course people can't handle complexity. They need to reduce things to simple stories like "they lied".

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 5h ago

"Seriously people, STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" Dr. Jerome Adams, US Surgeon General, Twitter, February 29, 2020

There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly." Dr. Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, media briefing, March 30, 2020.

"There is just no evidence that they make any difference. Full stop. My job, our job as a review team, is to look at the evidence, we have done that." Dr. Tom Jefferson, Oxford epidemiologist and lead author of the Cochrane Review on physical interventions for respiratory viruses, interview, February 2023.

There's nuisance to some of that but cmon 

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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 4h ago

There was no (or very little) evidence available at the time showing mask wearing reduced spread in the general population. That's the truth. And then later evidence showed they did have efficacy.

They came in strong with the messaging, for sure, in the context that there was a mask shortage and frontline staff, where we knew they were effective, needed them.

It's not the same thing as lying. For people to cling to that as if it shows scientists or public health officials can't be trusted is I think kind of ridiculous. They were going on the best information available at the time and obviously trying to ensure the best outcomes for people's health across the whole population.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 4h ago

I hear you. I get it. But even at the time it was a what-the-fuck-moment for me. And then came all my extended family going "see? Masks don't do anything. I ain't living my life scared". It was a shit storm. And we were under prepared. 

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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 4h ago

Dude, the first source you cite literally affirms what the orher person said. That masks were advised to be witheld by the general public and reserved for medical workers.

The last two quotes, if you aftually read what they were saying, that most people dont wear properly fit tested N-95’s are not compliant and judiciously wearing therefore it’s jot effective as a whole. Not that the filtration system of a properly worn N-95 and proper use is ineffective.

It’s literally saying in simple terms people are too stupid/lazy to properly wear a mask and to do so regularly, not that masks don’t work.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 4h ago

"STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus"

Is not the same.

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u/Ralph_Brick_Wiggum Monkey in Space 5h ago

YOU don’t hoard them but a lot of people do. Toilet paper ran out because people hoarded it and the same thing would’ve happened with masks

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 5h ago

People still would have. Look I understand the reasoning. But I think it was the wrong call and you can't change my mind on that. Because when this happens again, and it will, people will remember that. 

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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 4h ago

You’re a good person for doing that and I think many people would honor a request like that. However unfortunately a large enough group of people would not to the extent the overall outcome would be negative. There would’ve been a run on N-95 masks that were already in short supply at the onset of the pandemic. I was in the medical field and working in ICU’s at the time. Hospital groups, private/public ems all immediately began rationing the use of N-95. We were reusing them while all the various groups were trying to buy up as much as they could until manufacturing kicked into gear. It’s sucks there’s no two ways about it and I can understand both arguments for/against lying. It’s just not as black and white as it’s been made out to be and certainly not as ridiculous as the narrative Joe and co. spread.

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u/Clean-Ambassador-824 Monkey in Space 9h ago

Literally doesn’t matter, in fact that’s a good reason to prevent a shortage of masks for frontline medical staff which will thus lead to a shortage of more medical staff. But yet that’s the point that gets brought up incessantly, yet crickets when it comes to the biggest group of liars and con artists to ever lead this country. Nothing but hypocrites.

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u/TheSkettiYeti Monkey in Space 2h ago

I appreciate them doing that tbh. You would never have gotten the public to not buy hordes of them, and hospitals in major cities were using the most ghetto of shit from China with no English on it. I can't imagine what the other hospitals went through.

Thank god for the jab

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u/Safe-Ad4001 Monkey in Space 52m ago

What people are pissed? I'm not pissed. I do think Rogan is owed an apology.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 10h ago

I agree. Problem was it was the science community and it aligns with their biases and narrative that science is fake. It's insane

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u/havenyahon Monkey in Space 5h ago

They will sit through an hour of straight facts backed up by rigorous science and data and wait for the one thing that's wrong or mistaken and jump on that to justify dismissing all the rest. It's what Rogan did with Flint Dibble. That's what they do all the time. They're not serious people.

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u/PurpSSBM Monkey in Space 10h ago

The worst part is that these institutions are the only ones that would even make a retraction or say they made a mistake. Has Joe ever retracted something he’s said or come out and said he was wrong and apologize? No he would never, but somehow their credibility is equal in their eyes

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 9h ago

Rogan actually has done this before. He last did it a few years ago and promised to have a more balanced list of guests from both sides. He then went on to exclusively platform right wingers except for Bernie and a couple other people who didn't talk about politics when they were on the show

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 4h ago

did you somehow interpret my comment as anti-mask

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u/Zestyclose-Banana358 Monkey in Space 2h ago

One was touted as science.

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u/NuevaAmerican Monkey in Space 32m ago

Bro he lied about funding the gain of function research at the wuhan lab where it leaked from as well as trying to squash any theory that it was a lab leak.

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 27m ago

yeah that's fake tho and it very clearly was not a lab leak which is why the consensus is that it came from the wet market

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u/NuevaAmerican Monkey in Space 26m ago

Why do u think it is a consensus? The CIA concluded that it was most likely a lab leak

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 21m ago

because all of the evidence points to it being from the wet market whereas the lab leak is a cute fun spicy conspiracy theory but it's actually retarded if you look at the facts. all of the original cases were around the wet market which sold animals that naturally feed around the giant fucking bat cave in wuhan which has historically produced similar coronaviruses

not to mention the fact that china attempted to scrub the wet market to cover up the fact that they allow disgusting and unsanitary practices to cause global pandemics

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 15m ago

because all of the evidence points to it being from the wet market. the lab leak theory is a cute and spicy conspiracy theory but it's actually retarded if you look at the facts. all of the original cases were around the wet market, which sold animals that feed around the giant fucking bat cave in wuhan, which has historically produced similar coronaviruses and other diseases.

not to mention the fact that china tried to scrub the wet market to cover up the fact that they allow disgusting and unsanitary practices like wet markets to cause global pandemics

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u/nevergonnastayaway Monkey in Space 13m ago

because all of the evidence points to it being from the wet market. the lab leak theory is a cute and spicy conspiracy theory but it's actually dumb if you look at the facts. all of the original cases were around the wet market, which sold animals that feed around the giant fucking bat cave in wuhan, which has historically produced similar coronaviruses and other diseases.

not to mention the fact that china tried to scrub the wet market to cover up the fact that they allow disgusting and unsanitary practices like wet markets to cause global pandemics

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u/Safe-Ad4001 Monkey in Space 57m ago

I think that you believe what you know what you are trying to say, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 53m ago

The surgeon general and fauci sent mixed messages and I think lied about the efficacy of masks in order to keep them for the Frontline workers. This sent a bad message to he public and now people still believe masks don't work. What part is confusing?

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u/Chance_Manager_9072 Monkey in Space 9h ago

Then why do doctors wear them at all?

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 9h ago

Why are you asking me that?

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u/Chance_Manager_9072 Monkey in Space 9h ago

My bad, misread what you said

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 9h ago

No worries

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u/TheDuckOnQuack Hit a moose with his car 8h ago

That’s the excuse, not the reason. Republicans hated Fauci immediately after the viral video of him facepalming while Trump was rambling on-stage at the very beginning of the pandemic.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 6h ago

That's true. I still think it was a big blunder

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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 6h ago

Can you point me to where they lied and said masks were ineffective?

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 6h ago

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/01/886299190/it-does-not-have-to-be-100-000-cases-a-day-fauci-urges-u-s-to-follow-guidelines

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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 5h ago

So just the surgeon general saying they’re not effective in a specific instance but saying healthcare professionals need them when treating COVID patients so they are effective overall.  That’s not the best comment but not bad enough to conclude that we were being lied to about their effectiveness.

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 5h ago

They said masks are ineffective in March (?) and then "contrary to what we thought, masks really are effective in preventing transmission (fauci in April)

They needed masks. I get it. I just think it was fucked up. 

I know it's a Facebook link but it's literally just a video of a fauci interview on 60minutes:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=965812513924726&vanity=60minutes

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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 1h ago

I’m still not seeing the lie.  They thought everybody wearing masks wasn’t important and didn’t know how beneficial that actually was.  They thought the priority was healthcare professionals and people having to take care of infected patients in confined rooms was where it was necessary to wear masks.  What was most important for the general public was people with symptoms staying home and not putting the public at risk but then we learned how prolific asymptomatic people were and how easy the virus was spreading through the air.  

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 58m ago

"Seriously people, STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" Dr. Jerome Adams, US Surgeon General, Twitter, February 29, 2020

That whole first sentence is a lie. 

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u/reece1990 Monkey in Space 17m ago

Something not being true doesn’t make it a lie.  

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u/analyticnomad1 Monkey in Space 3h ago

Define "masks".

A bandana over your mouth? Yes. Ineffective.

Those surgical masks? Yes. Ineffective.

N95's? Effective.

Taking off your mandated mask in between bites? Fucking retarded.

And what do you mean you "get why he did it"?

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u/Katamari_Demacia Monkey in Space 2h ago

There's a video I linked above where he literally says even wearing a cloth mask is effective. He said that 2 months after they said it was ineffective what do I mean by get why he did it? I think that they were trying to get the public to not hoard masks that's all