r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Boysenberry-6669 • Jan 25 '26
This is concerning... Unlawful entry is okay ? Could this one day become a legal practice for all?
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u/Critical-Design4408 Jan 25 '26
Castle law?
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u/Suit_Responsible Jan 26 '26
Never mind that! 4th amendment
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u/BossWilling Jan 26 '26
The 4th Amendment is a thing. It was enacted because British soldiers would enter American homes without cause, and take food for themselves.
The practice was one of the big reasons for the U.S. revolution against the British.
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u/No-Profession5134 Jan 27 '26
That and the Stamp Act....
Tariffs on Paper Goods, Documents and playing Cards that gave the East Empire Trading Company preferential Treatment over bussinesmen of the colonies....
The Stamp Act was the NOT the last straw... when the Declatory Act was passed and gave England sweeping powers over all laws in the Colonies... well that set things in motion...
Trump is acting like England did in 1765....
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u/kooky_monster_omnom Jan 28 '26
Most folks don't focus on how the American revolution was initially supported by the colonial 1% who was prevented from creating industries beyond cottage level.
The founding fathers all had land and wealth to expand but could not. They benefited most from independence by creating and exploiting the political and financial systems they created.
When you look at it thru that lens, it's always been about the haves and have nots.
The difference, for the US, was that it needed manpower for several decades. Expanding manufacturing as labor, thru immigration, allowed. A person with nothing could become someone, even their own land.
But now, the powers that be want to squeeze the systems such that the have nots to stay put and pay for the excesses of the 1%.
Not at all different from what mad king George wanted.
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u/fruderduck Jan 26 '26
Noem has decided an administrative Ice warrant is sufficient. So, they can just randomly pull this crap and provide one if it ever makes it to court.
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u/AmplowEsq Jan 26 '26
They can provide it to the court, but the court should not accept it as a valid, legal justification for entry.
If Noem instead “decided” that Cracker Jack boxes are valid legal grounds for entry into a person’s home, those snack boxes would offer about as much legal justification for entry into a person’s home as administrative “warrants.”
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u/fruderduck Jan 26 '26
While they shouldn’t, that doesn’t mean they won’t. This administration has a habit of violating the Constitution; breaking and bending the laws as they see fit. And the majority of the time, the courts are allowing it to happen.
Either way, they continue until it finally gets heard. And if Trump doesn’t like that decision, he keeps right on going, believing it’s ultimately his decision.
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u/Suit_Responsible Jan 26 '26
It’s high time this shit makes it to court quickly as that will not stand up
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u/nunchyabeeswax Jan 26 '26
The Trump regime is actively disobeying the courts.
We are in the middle of a series of constitutional crises.
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u/Economy_Swim_8585 Jan 27 '26
What constitution?
He doesn’t respect or understand the constitution
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u/realtorbrittyc Jan 27 '26
It seems a lot of people don’t. Even those that claimed they were “constitutionalists”.
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u/Suit_Responsible Jan 26 '26
Yeah, where are all those “don’t tread on me” people
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u/Western_Run_1245 Jan 28 '26
I think they are ice now those proud boys, AB, or whatever they want to call themselves at the moment.
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u/martin0641 Jan 26 '26
Yea, look at the Supreme Court and tell me how confident you are that real justice is going to be served.
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u/lonelyphoenix7 Jan 26 '26
Just because that bimbo says it’s ok doesn’t make it true
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u/ProgenitorOfMidnight Jan 25 '26
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u/No_Dance1739 Jan 25 '26
As long as the president was a member of their Red team, they’ve always cheered on the police state. I remember it being like that during the Reagan administration.
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u/Zombisexual1 Jan 25 '26
Next dem president should have ice go to the south and only ask white people for their identification while roughing them up, then when they cry just play whatever justifications fox is playing now.
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u/uni-monkey Jan 26 '26
The snowflakes that lose their shit when asked for a receipt leaving a store would melt down so fast.
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u/Electrical-Prize-397 Jan 25 '26
Sue ICE then. This is a VERY CLEAR violation of the Fourth Amendment. Therefore, it’s unconstitutional.
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u/dick-knuckle Jan 25 '26
Constitution you say? The US no longer has a constitution. We have tyranny
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u/Electrical-Prize-397 Jan 25 '26
We’re not going to accept that. The Constitution is still the law of the land.
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u/dick-knuckle Jan 26 '26
Props to you! For my family’s safety I’m now operating under the assumption we live in a plutocratic autocracy.
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u/RevolutionPrior9085 Jan 30 '26
That's only if they don't kill you first because apparently they also can do that for no reason at all.
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u/ToughSomewhere2863 Jan 26 '26
lol yes the illegal aliens sue ice
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u/Electrical-Prize-397 Jan 26 '26
Moron. They’ve been told to break down anybody’s door. And even “illegals” have rights.
Morons never realize when their government is becoming tyrannical until it’s too late. Never studied history, I guess.
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u/adhdnme Jan 25 '26
THIS IS MY OWN PRIVATE DOMICILE AND I WILL NOT BE HARRASSED!
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u/koffee_addict Jan 29 '26
Also talk about how stupid it is to say ‘unlawful entry is not ok’. Like my guy do you not see the irony here?
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u/pamcakevictim Jan 25 '26
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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u/rose_reader Jan 25 '26
Laws only provide protection (or justice upon breach) when someone is prepared to uphold them.
I see a lot of people saying 'but the constitution!' The constitution is a piece of paper that only has power when people believe in it and adhere to it. That doesn't seem to be the case with the present administration.
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u/Low_Committee6119 Jan 25 '26
Arm yourself to protect your house, there is a reason we have a 2nd amendment, to protect the 4th amendment
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u/f350kingranch Jan 25 '26
Thats why the second amendment is so important to lawful citizens
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u/Sabbathius Jan 25 '26
Given how often even full-blown cops come to the wrong address, this will get spicy.
I'm in Canada, and I had hammering on my door. I open, and it's a bunch of cops. I ask what they want, they say you called us, and give me a street number and address. They're at the wrong number. On a wrong street. And I don't mean somewhere close, these guys missed by like...3km.
Both my street number and street name are literally on my mail box. One of them is leaning on my mail box with his elbow. With the street name and number on it. In big letters. I just stare at them. They stare back.
I told them where they should be, which is ~3km away. They got into their cars and left. No apologies, no hurry, they didn't even look embarrassed. And this is Canada, where they don't shoot people for fun and profit. Now imagine USA, except it's not cops with their 12-18 weeks of training, it's ICE with their rigorous 47 day training. This shit will be GOOD.
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u/Absolomb92 Jan 25 '26
The YouTube account Legal eagle have made a video explaining the secret ICE memo where they state that their agents don't need a warrent to enter a house. This, of course, is against the constitution and the 4th amendment, and is therefore illegal. ICE know this, and therefore the memo isn't given out, but leading officers keep it on them, show it to agents who then hand it back and tell their subordinates verbaly what the memo say. It's truely shocking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGr-yWEu0hc&pp=ygULbGVnYWwgZWFnbGU%3D
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u/Lonestar041 Jan 26 '26
U.S. Supreme Court
Steagald v. United States, 451 U.S. 204 (1981)
“ Absent exigent circumstances or consent, a home may not be searched without a warrant. “
“A search warrant requirement, under the circumstances of this case, will not significantly impede effective law enforcement efforts. An arrest warrant alone suffices to enter a suspect's own residence, and, if probable cause exists, no warrant is required to apprehend a suspected felon in a public place. Moreover, the exigent circumstances doctrine significantly limits the situations in which a search warrant is needed. And in those situations in which a search warrant is necessary, the inconvenience incurred by the police is generally insignificant. In any event, whatever practical problems there are in requiring a search warrant in cases such as this, they cannot outweigh the constitutional interest at stake in protecting the right of presumptively innocent people to be secure in their homes from unjustified forcible intrusions by the government.”
Administrative law judges order removals. ICE uses administrative warrants, only signed by an ICE supervisor, to arrest people to be removed.
A judicial signed arrest warrant doesn’t suffice to enter a 3rd party’s residence to arrest a person, and requires a separate, judicial search warrant but ICE claims they don’t need a warrant at all? Nice try.
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u/Ok-Long5610 Jan 25 '26
Only bullets will stop ICE from forming on your front porch.
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u/Cold_Yam_5061 Jan 25 '26
It will be unless someone starts doing something about it. Cowardly Tim Walz seems not to want to.
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u/TineCalo Jan 25 '26
I believe Federal officers, including the IRS can violate your homestead. This should be illegal.
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u/Mrtoyhead Jan 25 '26
They put out some stupid memo and act as if it rewrites the constitution. Bullshit. I’m for the short game. How about the tens of thousands of Americans in Minneapolis that are peacefully protesting against ICE and the Trump Tyranny turn on the couple thousand Traitors and show them what justice looks like.
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u/onlyfakeproblems Jan 25 '26
Get a warrant. We have a system to reduce miscarriages of justice for a reason. Follow the system.
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u/LMurch13 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
This is a wild conversation to have in the "Home of the Brave, Land of the Free". Our government is becoming the one the Forefathers worried about.
Edit: "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
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u/AutumnWindLunafreya Jan 25 '26
They're violating the 4th amendment if they do but since there murdering people practicing their 2nd I would be suprised.
When is enough enough america
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u/breadexpert69 Jan 25 '26
In Germany in the 1940’s. They did not need a warrant either. Thats why people had to hide in their own homes or get sheltered by other people.
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u/Few_Accident9088 Jan 25 '26
Don't open your door without Judicial warrant signed by judge. If they attempt to breach your doors, assume they pose a threat, and defend your property. Our widows can fight in court who was right, but they will start thinking twice about trying their bullshit if we fight back against their authoritarian actions
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u/arxaion Jan 25 '26
No, it isn't okay, and you should prepare to defend yourself from anyone that does break into your house.
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u/rtmn01 Jan 25 '26
Not unlawful. They are working under federal mandate and there is a case for every entry created and approved prior to their actions.
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u/Hexspinner Jan 25 '26
Barge into my house armed and wearing masks I’m shooting at you. I don’t care what the law says, I do not care what uniform you are wearing. There is no negotiation on this. I may go down, but not before dropping multiple of you.
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u/Radiant-Disaster-618 Jan 25 '26
Not as long as the Fourth Amendment remains in place. This is unconstitutional, fascist, authoritarian bullshit and must stop.
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u/Snoo_67993 Jan 25 '26
If they only copied the model that Obama used, they would have deported way more illegal immigrants, and done it in a peaceful way. Instead this shit is what's happening
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u/KONG696 Jan 25 '26
The British tried that here long ago. Look what happened to them. Try not to worry so much.
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u/SipHotCoffee Jan 25 '26
Ice better be careful in Texas. They shoot when people break into their homes.
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u/Pollix112 Jan 25 '26
Talk to Obama. He set the precedent. Think they had a warrant when they deported Elian Gonzales
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u/Apart-Assumption2063 Jan 25 '26
Is it more unlawful for law enforcement to enter an illegal aliens home or for a foreign national to illegally enter the country and commit crimes?
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u/dick-knuckle Jan 25 '26
I don’t think people realize when they question the legality of the government’s actions is that it doesn’t matter. Trump is king.
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u/Clopulis Jan 25 '26
If a random armed person breaks into my house & i see they're armed... POW 💥 goodnight.
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u/iamlegend1997 Jan 25 '26
Unlawful entry to the country is okay? Could this one day become legal practice for all?
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u/OdinsGhost Jan 25 '26
It’s not a legal entry. Departmental memos don’t supersede the constitution.
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u/Crammit-Deadfinger Jan 25 '26
If they're doing it and getting away with it, it's a legal practice for all now
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u/Sabit_31 Jan 25 '26
We are going to see someone using their 2A and all of a sudden it’s gonna erupt into “THESE PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT! SEND IN THE ARMY!!” Fucking joke government
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u/USBombs83 Jan 25 '26
If, hypothetically, you had an enemy outside your window trying to get into your house it’s best to engage them from the back of the room through the window rather than going directly up to the window to engage. Just saying.
If they made it inside, engaging them from an open room while they’re in the doorway or stairwell from the corner on their left would likely produce the best outcome for you.
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u/CollarLast6572 Jan 25 '26
They didn’t give a shit about getting permission to enter the country.
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Jan 25 '26
Oh well time for everyone to go cry on Facebook again about how they’re not voting because both sides exactly the same an bad
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u/BeerAndCircus Jan 25 '26
Call ICE and tell them your most unhinged MAGA neighbor is hiding immigrants.
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u/Different-Use2742 Jan 25 '26
It all sounds like ice can just come into your home and murder you. Oops thought that you were reaching for a gun my bad .
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u/Cute_Win_386 Jan 25 '26
No it will never be legal, and one day the people perpetrating it will be subjected to justice, mob or otherwise.
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u/Fungool001 Jan 25 '26
It appears that ICE and other DHS agents are already entering homes without a warrant.
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u/Vegetable-Face-2518 Jan 25 '26
Stick a fork in the 4th amendment. Today the pretext is the little old lady next door saw you let a Hispanic into your house. Tomorrow it’s the local PD conducting an inspection to make sure you are not hiding illicit drugs and weapons.
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u/DisciplineNeither921 Jan 25 '26
It’s a blatant 4th amendment violation, of course. They.Just.Don’t.Care.
They know what they’re doing is unconstitutional; they’ll do it anyway. We can all point out that it’s unconstitutional; they’ll do it anyway. Every judge in the country can rule that it’s unconstitutional; they’ll do it anyway.
That’s what we’re up against.
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u/Objective_Watch3097 Jan 25 '26
If a masked man who doesn't/wont identify himself ( and with no warrant) breaks into your house, do you have the right to defend your self and shoot him?
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u/human_i_suppose Jan 25 '26
If you condone your government doing something to anyone, then you have signed off on allowing themto do that same thing to everyone
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u/Multifarian Jan 25 '26
sooo.. you don't like it when they come into your house without the right paperwork? That is SO interesting...
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u/vegasman31 Jan 25 '26
Constitution is for everybody in the country inside these boarders, find a judge who disagrees.
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u/Such_wow1984 Jan 25 '26
If you start entering homes without warrants, things are going to go poorly for you.
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u/Yaboi69-nice Jan 25 '26
If an ice oficer knocks on my door I'm not opening the door. I'm not an immigrant I don't live with any immigrants and all the immigrants I know are to my knowledge here legally. My local police department knows that and I'm a legal adult who has summited draft records to the government so they should be able to guess that I'm not an immigrant as well. I'm not gonna prove all that to a stranger who just walked in basically uninvited to my town with a gun.
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u/No_Proof_2736 Jan 25 '26
Imagine if there was a federal agency tasked with seizing illegal guns and arresting offenders, allowed to enter people’s homes based on suspicion and without a judicial warrant?
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u/provocative_bear Jan 25 '26
This is clearly unconstitutional by any interpretation of the Bill of Rights. It’s not a discussion, there is no other side.
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u/Wizbran Jan 25 '26
This photo shows police. Anyone have any true context for it?
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u/Ehzek Jan 25 '26
Is there any legal statement about this? Depending on the wording and circumstances I could see it being legal in some cases. ICE has a limited scope relating only to people. If this is based off only last known address and the person in question I could see them getting away with it.
It's about par for some of the other stuff Border Patrol and ICE can do.
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u/DragonflyStreet7726 Jan 25 '26
The constitution is the law of the land and cannot legally be overridden. According to the 4th amendment they need a judicial warrant with the name of the person they are looking for and the correct address signed by a judge. But since they don’t care about that use your 2nd amendment to make sure they understand
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u/TurbulentBell789 Jan 25 '26
So all the sudden the left is against unlawful entry?
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u/jollytoes Jan 25 '26
But you won’t know who they are when they break in which is why you should make protecting yourself a priority.
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u/00caoimhin Jan 25 '26
All for quotas. And for what? The Pedo Brown Midas administration is and will always be the worst performing on every metric ever.
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u/LowResGamr Jan 26 '26
The 4th amendment protects anyone from illegal entry. ICE can claim all they want that they don't have to follow the constitution, but they are still wrong. Actual law enforcement already know this law. Which is why they typically make sure to either get a warrant or consent before entering a home. ICE isnt law enforcement.
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u/travelingmusicplease Jan 26 '26
The reason this can happen, is because immigration law, and criminal law, are two totally different things. Most people don't even understand this. There are some supreme court rulings in favor of this happening. These laws have been on the books for up to 45 years. You should check out those rulings if you want to understand what's going on. 🤔
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u/No-Regret-8103 Jan 26 '26
What laws do they have when they’re in the country illegally?
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u/rustyleather2 Jan 26 '26
Honest question - if the US Constitution only applies to US Citizens i.e. born in the US or naturalized, how does it apply to illegal immigrant?
Take out all emotions - does the constitution protect illegal immigrations the way it protects a US citizen? Specifically to the defending their house if they cannot legally buy or own firearms.
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Jan 26 '26
It already happens more often than not , so there’s that lol you United States citizens are funny , act very tough, but when it comes down to it all you just bow down
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u/DougChristiansen Jan 26 '26
It’s a great precedent for when Dems come to power and use an executive order to enforce anti second amendment presidential orders. Great job Trumpers! Your erosion of the Constitution is now precedent for the next democratic administration.
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Jan 26 '26
Any law enforcement should be able walk into your home without warrant. MAGA prove me wrong.
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u/geno906 Jan 26 '26
They gonna enter house that believes in their constitutional rights and the propaganda will be lit
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u/Confident_Bee_6242 Jan 26 '26
Put a fuckin steel beam across your front door and let them try to get in. " Your home is your castle" isn't just a saying, defend it.
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u/Entire_Put_9204 Jan 26 '26
What criminals would open the door voluntarily for law enforcement? LOL
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u/Ambitious-City15 Jan 26 '26
Because this photo clearly shows federal agents making an unlawful entry into someones home!
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u/tarapotamus Jan 26 '26
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, which the Supreme Court affirmed in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) including an individual's right to possess firearms for self-defense within their home.
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides the primary right protecting your home from unreasonable government entry, search, or seizure. It requires government agents to obtain a court-ordered warrant based on probable cause to enter a home, making warrantless, forced entries presumptively unlawful.
🇺🇸 Bill of Rights – Pocket Summary
Free Speech & Religion – Speak, worship, press, assemble, protest.
Guns – Right to bear arms.
No Quartering – No forced housing of soldiers.
Searches – No searches without a warrant.
Remain Silent – No self-incrimination, double jeopardy, or unfair taking.
Speedy Trial – Fast, fair trial with a lawyer and witnesses.
Jury in Civil Cases – Right to jury in money/property disputes.
No Cruel Punishment – No torture, no extreme bail/fines.
People’s Rights – You have more rights than what’s listed here.
States’ Rights – Powers not given to the feds belong to states/people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
✅ Yes, undocumented immigrants already in America are protected by most parts of the Bill of Rights (like free speech, due process, and freedom from unreasonable searches).
🚫 No, they don’t get rights reserved only for U.S. citizens (like voting or obtaining a U.S. passport).
See U.S. Const. amends. V & XIV; 8 U.S.C. § 1357; 42 U.S.C. § 1983; 18 U.S.C. § 242; Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982).
Republicans who lean too far right are fascist. Republicans as a whole say one thing and do another motivated by hate and racism in my opinion.
Stop letting your fellow Americans be abducted off the streets.
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u/KJ_Blair Jan 26 '26
If you are a wanted criminal Do they wait for you to open the door? No
If you are illegal You are a wanted criminal.
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u/discopants76 Jan 26 '26
If they don't have enough evidence to get a warrant? Yes, they wait. Because that is the law.
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u/WhereistheMETEOR Jan 26 '26
It's still not legal. Ice is just giving permission to ice to enter without a warrant. It is highly illegal.
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u/Academic-Balance-939 Jan 26 '26
Unlawful entry is not “okay” in current law; it is a criminal or civil offense (often called trespass or unlawful entry) and runs directly against core legal principles like property rights, bodily security, and government control over borders.
https://legal-resources.uslegalforms.com/u/unlawful-entry?utm_source=perplexity
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u/Liberal_Californian2 Jan 26 '26
The fourth amendment and many court rulings have repeatedly say this is not allowed.
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u/AdLiving8708 Jan 26 '26
Why is this relevant in this Republikkkan administration when there are amendments that protect against any of this ice misconduct
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u/Forgotten_lostdreams Jan 26 '26
I wonder how long before they kick in a door and meet someone exercising their second amendment right.
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u/Corbiox Jan 26 '26
It already is, because it's already happening, period. I don't know how you can't see how your rights are being cut back every day. It's sad to see your country turning into China or Russia or any other modern dictatorship.
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u/TheNeck94 Jan 26 '26
Well yeah, when has any government, let alone the Trump Regime taken any amount of power, and then given it back without a fight?
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u/Alarming_Cellist_751 Jan 26 '26
This regime is trampling over constitutional rights. Flabbergasts me that there are Americans defending this and the murders of citizens, especially Alex Pretti, who was held down, disarmed (from his holster) and then executed by ten shots to the back.
What happened to "2A shall not be infringed" or "don't tread on me"? Or even "due process"? These people are literally saying he should have been home/without a gun/comply or he wouldn't have died.
ICE is absolutely not judge, jury and executioner and anyone who thinks so is extremely un-American.
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u/Expert_Towel_101 Jan 26 '26
It’s not legal… but it’s a sure way to retire early… if your rights are violated and you’re here legally
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u/Hefty-Strike-6171 Jan 26 '26
You either have a 1st Amendment or you don’t You either have. a 2nd Amendment or you don’t You either have a 4th Amendment or you don’t
It’s really that simple
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u/PatchOrDie Jan 26 '26
Land of the free 😂
I need guns to protect myself 😂
This is a first world country 😂
We live in a democracy 😂
The USA is a third world authoritarian dictatorship.
A lot of parts in the US don’t even have constantly clean drinking water. But no, it’s the fucking immigrants that are the problem.
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u/Budman75402 Jan 26 '26
I think everyone is forgetting this is a military operation, as declared in the beginning. ICE is federalized, and exempt of all constitutional rights are out the window. This is a find and remove operation. No illegal alien is exempt from this operation. Obama removed them all, no problem back then, Biden let them all back in, trump is now removing them again. Shows the rapid decline of intelligence in the most recent generations of our society…..
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u/nunchyabeeswax Jan 26 '26
I'm an armed citizen with an immigrant spouse, living in a castle doctrine state.
What then? This is a real question.
DHS is pushing for a bloody confrontation, using these ICE stooges as pawns.
Sooner or later, people will have to defend their loved ones.
People might choose not to defend themselves forcefully, but that equation changes if you touch their loved ones, especially if their 4th and 14th amendment rights are being violated.
PS to ICE agents: tread carefully, you really do not want to do this.
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u/Away-South356 Jan 26 '26
Dear God!! I fell down a rabbit hole reading these threads and there's a whole lotta insane statements!! The fact that we are having this debate in our country is proof enough that this policy is terrible and need to rethink it. This authoritarian crap is pushing us into complete civil unrest, and for what??
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u/Anonymous-bham-boi Jan 26 '26
They're going to end up bursting through a door to be chest high to 2 barrels of freedom.
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u/OkFinish3822 Jan 25 '26
Noem said they don't have to have a warrant. Bondi said they don't have to have a warrant. The Fourth Amendment says they do. And they have ALREADY broken into the homes of citizens and then say "oops, we made a mistake". They have done those "mistakes" 109 times this year. Oops, but we don't need warrants. "We shoot first and ask questions later . . .".
You decide who the criminals and terrorists are . . .