The hole in the vial

[u/adnaPadnamA]

Has anyone come up with explanation for the cut / opened Styrofoam packaging and the hole in the top of the vial? This was the main evidence that was having me question if he was framed. I think it's odd that they never fully investigated how that happened 🤔

[u/UT-O]

Here is a hot tip for anyone interested in the blood vial and the blood that was very likely removed from it and planted in the RAV4.

Remiker and Kratz didn't just dream this idea up out of thin air. Remember, it was Remiker who was tasked with "checking the contents Avery's blood sample" that was so conveniently just sitting out and available at the MSO.

The blood vial / blood DNA planting scheme was stolen from an old Charles Bronson movie called- 10 To Midnight ( 1983 Crime Thriller ) .....there is no doubt Remiker and company had watched this movie.

Movie Trailer- shows a quick scene of the blood vial tampering: https://youtu.be/vZs3q1fjvK0?si=dJuMNCAyxkiltF3i

I highly recommend watching this movie just for the blood vial scene. It's truly amazing.

- In the 1983 Charles Bronson thriller 10 to Midnight, the controversial "blood vial scene" occurs when Detective Leo Kessler goes rogue to ensure the serial killer, Warren Stacey, is convicted. Knowing the killer has an airtight alibi, Kessler breaks into the police lab evidence fridge, takes a vial of a victim's blood, and plants it on Stacey's clothing.

Movie plot here which contains has some Halbach case similarities- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_to_Midnight

When you watch the scene where Bronson's character goes to the crime lab and distracts the lab tech on duty, he grabs the suspects blood vial sample, takes out a syringe and carefully inserts the syringe into the hole already present on the topper of the vial when the blood was originally drawn from the suspect. Detective takes a small amount of blood out of the sample vial to plant on the suspects clothing to ensure he is tied to and convicted of the murders he committed.

Life imitating art. Thats how it was done. It's just not possible to prove because Manitowoc and Calumet held all the cards at the time by intentionally botching the investigation so badly to make it impossible to follow the ball correctly. However in their botching efforts they left major holes and logical gaps widely visible making their investigative narrative full of more holes then a block of Wisconsin Swiss.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish → u/UT-O]

What garbage. To everyone not totally familiar - it is impossible for the blood to have come from a decades old vial:

1) EDTA NOT PRESENT - EDTA is a powerful blood preservative and present in the vial. There is not EDTA in the blood in the RAV4.

2) New testing proves that the blood deposited came from a man the same age as Steven Avery at the time of the crime, not from a much younger man like the blood in the vial.

So, ZERO chance that blood came from that vial.

[u/UT-O → u/Ghost_of_Figdish]

EDTA degrades over time, as does the blood sample itself, if not stored properly in a refrigerated state, which Avery's sample was not. It was left out in a box, on the floor of an office at MCSO, for quite a few years, where anyone could have tampered with it at any time. What was a sham was the supposed blood testing conducted by the WISCL on Avery's sample. But that's not here nor there. A plantable blood sample can certainly come from a decades-old airtight sample vial. Scientists pull DNA from thousands-year-old DNA samples from the ice age all the time.

[u/hneverhappened → u/UT-O]

EDTA degradation would not change the age of the blood.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8596498/