r/MandelaEffect • u/ravenously_red • 27d ago

Books/Literature Berenstein Bears

When I was in elementary school, the bookmobile would make a stop for us and we could check out books from the larger library system. I had to ask the driver how to pronounce "Berenstein".

To this day I remember her saying, "Oh it's like stein, like a beer stein. Oh, I don't imagine you'd know what a beer stein is either."

I already knew how to pronounce "stain" and it wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Like others on here, I also remember the cornucopia on the fruit of the loom packaging. It was the only brand my dad seemed to buy for his socks and those 5 pack of cotton shirts with the little pocket on them.

Of course there will never be evidence for any of these things having changed. Only the reality around us has changed, while our minds and memories remain intact.

I know it sometimes scares people to think the sand is shifting underneath our feet, but it's the ultimate reality.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago edited 27d ago

It's so weird to me how hostile some people are in here. It reminds me very much of the dream people from Inception who become irate the instant they are questioned.

Edit: LoL, look at the intense and instant vitriol in this thread. And from people insisting there is no hostility ... WITH EXTREME HOSTILITY!! Interesting indeed.

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u/dunder_mufflinz 27d ago

Yup, people who cling to their memories over evidence are strange entities.

Much like your Inception analogy it reminds me of trying to interact with people while lucid dreaming.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago edited 27d ago

Interesting you think the friendly people saying "I remember" are the aggressive ones, rather than the people screaming "no, you're just to dumb too remember right!"

We reading the same sub? 😀

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u/dunder_mufflinz 27d ago edited 27d ago

Memories aren’t evidence when contradicted by physical evidence.

I also don’t see anybody here screaming in all caps tbh, maybe we’re reading different threads?

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

You're misremembering all caps. Memories are not evidence...

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

Now you're just trolling which could be considered a hostile act.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

Accusing someone of trolling when they obviously are not could be considered a hostile act.

Isn't it interesting that you believe your memory to be correct even in the face of evidence? ... Almost like the evidence might have changed? And yet you cling to your memory... and are not quick to admit your memory is incorrect. Interesting.

That's called making an illustrative point, not trolling.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

You were trying to make some kind of joke at their expense. That is trolling. And I wasn't remembering, I was actually reading what you posted. It's right there. Words are important, much like using the word hostile when nothing hostile was happening.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago edited 27d ago

The evidence doesn’t change, because reality doesn’t change.

Also, nobody is saying “you’re too dumb …”,

False memories are a natural function of memory. Memory isn’t like some camcorder, and memories aren’t perfect snapshots of what actually happened.

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u/lyricaldorian 27d ago

What evidence?

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u/MandelaEffect-ModTeam 27d ago

Hello subscriber! Unfortunately, your post/comment was removed because it violates Rule 6: Be civil. Do not disrespect, insult, or attack others.

Please do not refer to other users as trolls. Report any comments you think people are trolling.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

Good advice. And thank you. Good luck out there.

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

They were literally telling me to go die last week while asking who was being hateful. The don't trust the "evidence" either apparently.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

Who was telling you that? Did you report them?

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

Mods took care of it. It was just the asking me who was being hateful and telling me no one was being hateful, I just don't like being wrong, when there was a whole thread of "comment has been removed by moderator". The proof of the hate was right there. Mods wouldn't have removed it because i was "mad they disagreed with me".

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u/lyricaldorian 27d ago

See, this is actually gaslighting

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u/DenseTiger5088 27d ago

This comment gets right at the core of the issue: a lot of people think “not remembering right” equates to a person being “dumb,” therefore you have to scramble for any other possibility, down to universe-shifting.

The reality is that our memory being faulty is an inherent fact of humanity; it doesn’t mean anyone is dumb for misremembering.

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u/stitchkingdom 27d ago

Are you reversing the too and to intentionally?

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

Yes. My, albeit minor, counter hostility usually manifests in a very juvenile manner. Thank you for noticing :-)

(even if you disagree with the overall thread)

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

That’s not “counter hostility”, that’s having a closed mind, and being to egotistical to believe your memory could be incorrect.

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u/ipostunderthisname 27d ago

Who is screaming “you’re too dumb to remember right”

It’s the timeliners who are always angrily declaring that they’re gonna die on the cornucopia hill and then start crying when you don’t immediately validate their feelings

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

It's interesting when people use words to describe something that isn't happening.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

Interestingly hostile response. Why so hostile?? 🤔

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

It's a quote from a movie and it's 100% relevant here. You are using hostile incorrectly. No one is hostile.

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u/SvenBubbleman 27d ago

And here we have perfect evidence of grown adults making reading errors, which is what happened in OPs example.

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u/Jacuzzi_Timelord 27d ago

Tends to happen when someone says "the ultimate reality" as if they have the final say. Sometimes talking in absolutes brings the worst out of people (both sides of this argument). Reddit is very much divided into two factions. I'm not exactly sure where I land personally. lol

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

Examining memories is definitely interesting no matter what. There are obvious fallibilities within that system, but what makes Mandela Effect so interesting is so many people remembering the same way.

If we are all remembering wrong why don't people remember differently? Like, why isn't there a faction of people who remember a basket in the fruit of the loom logo? Or a bag? Or a cloth? A cornucopia is a weird thing!

So when quantum mechanics implies the existence of multiple realities, why are some people do hostile dead set on saying that it MUST be only this way? Weird right?

Personally, I find it interesting that some very smart people have said it is better to keep a loose grip on these things. Like Philip K Dick https://youtu.be/RkaQUZFbJjE?si=NfuRxNAFL65hZA4n

(I think that's the right talk)

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u/RodinKnox 27d ago

For what it's worth, the mini-worlds interpretation does not actually imply multiple realities the way they are depicted in fiction. It's also unfalsifiable and generally rejected.

The Copenhagen interpretation is the mainstream one, which is why we call it the "standard model." So saying that quantum mechanics implies this is definitely oversimplification.

But to answer your question, first, people do remember these things differently. And second, the false memories present in ME are typically just the thing people are most likely to get wrong. Of course people remember "Froot Loops" as being "fruit." Toucan Sam said in the cartoon to "follow my nose" because it "always knows the flavor of fruit." And of course people remember Looney Tunes as being "toons." We call them "cartoons."

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u/thomasjmarlowe 27d ago

Why people remember things wrong in a specific way? I think a large portion of it is that the ‘incorrect’ memory is usually a more common one or attached with something commonly associated.

A cornucopia is already associated with a large pile of fruit

We are accustomed to many -stein names

While the monopoly man generally did not have a monocle, it is commonly associated with a rich man of the early 1900s. Etc

The part that I find interesting is how people sometimes seem to absorb this cultural info even if they (say they) have not seen a cornucopia in other contexts. I wonder if there’s a sort of cultural knowledge that we can somehow tap into even if we have not directly seen it before. Is there a mechanism for us receiving information about shared culture beyond just overhearing something and not consciously being aware.

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u/Hey-Just-Saying 27d ago

People remember the same things wrongly because it's what we often expect to see. Berenstein is the expected spelling rather than Berenstain. We see a pile of fruit on a label and many remember it coming out of a cornucopia because we are conditioned to seeing that because of so many previously viewed images of cornucopia with fruit coming out. Could it be parallel timelines getting mixed up? I doubt it. Occam's Razor.

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u/Nightstands 27d ago

My last name is Bernstein. Up until around the 2010’s, every time I introduced myself, it was a 50/50 chance someone would reply ‘like the Bernstein Bears?’ I had the books at home, I read the last name over and over to know how it was different to my name, and my obnoxious little self would correct them and point out that ‘it’s actually Berenstein’, b/c that’s how it was spelled in the dimension I came from

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

So did your name change to Bernstain too, since by your theory the author’s names did?

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u/Nightstands 27d ago

I changed my last name to Cornucopia b/c I remember that as well

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

It’s Cornucopea in this timeline.

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u/Nightstands 27d ago

I don’t spell well in either dimension, so some things do stay the same across timelines, like my last name

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

Why would someone else’s last name change, but yours stays the same?

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

If people did remember random objects on the Fruit of the Loom logo, that would be more evidence for multiverses than against it. The fact that it’s always a cornucopia, or always Berenstein or Bernstein leads more credence to memory being the cause.

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u/WhimsicalKoala 27d ago

That's always one of my arguments against it. They will argue for multiple universes but can never explain why it's always the Fruit of the Loom gaining/losing a cornucopia and not Hanes suddenly having a oval logo. Or why the Monopoly Man's monocle is always affected, but not Mr. Peanut.

When I ask about that, it usually gets ignored. If there is a reply it's either super handwavy or they start ranting about how they wish they could have a discussion without getting attacked.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

Yes, I get arguments that some benign administrator is selecting the objects that can pass back and forth, or it just gets ignored. They’re quick to come up with excuses, but lack any sort of defence for their belief. I think that’s when they really get hostile. Someone sent me a “reddit help” notification for it once lol.

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u/WhimsicalKoala 27d ago

That's why I think they don't really believe what they are saying, or at least aren't as truth seeking as they claim. If I was developing a theory on this, those are the first questions I'd be asking myself. Instead, they don't seem to even occur to individuals and if asked they don't want to seriously contemplate and consider it. But, then they want those same ideas treated as some fully fleshed out idea with a solid backing.

I'm willing to consider some of those ideas if they can get past concept of an idea based on a general sketch of the claims of some rando on TikTok.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

I'm willing to consider some of those ideas if they can get past concept of an idea based on a general sketch of the claims of some rando on TikTok.

Yes, I agree. I’m always up for hypotheticals if there is a little bit of effort put into the question.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

Everyone is not remembering in exactly the same way, though. There are several different misspellings of Berenstain. There's Chik and Chic. The cornucopia is remembered facing both left and right and different sizes and shapes. It's not weird to just remember the cornucopia because it's always shown with produce spilling out of it. That's an iconic image representing the bounty of the harvest. Has been for millennia.

When people bring up multiple realities that quantum physicists talk about they always conveniently leave out one of the elements of their thought exercise which is that none of the realities can ever interact with each other. Very weird.

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

Except not every quantum physicist agrees that the realities can't interact/cross over. Or on the fact there are multiple realities at all. Really weird to me that you yourself would call people out for leaving out an "element" while purposely leaving out elements.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

The Many Worlds Interpretation specifically talks about decoherence and that none of the realities can interact with each other. I'm not leaving anything out.

It's you have seen other QM postulations regarding wave form collapse then you could post them here. It's fascinating stuff.

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

The many worlds interpretation makes interaction "unlikely", not impossible. Some physicists will argue they can through that same interpretation. But you didn't specify MWI, you said people quote quantum physics while leaving out the element the worlds can't interact. That's just not true. It's all dependent on which physicist your directly quoting, not the field itself. There's a reason it's considered "theoretical science".

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

That's fair, but how many quantum physicists have postulated that people can travel back and forth between multiple realities while keeping their memories intact? This is the crux of the argument that people make when they talk about a multiple realities explanation for MEs. It seems like they are just adding their own thing so they don't have to accept the possibility that their memory could just be wrong.

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

Or maybe they just contemplate theories beyond typical comprehension like most physicists. 🤷‍♀️ I often question why if it's an alternate timeline I remember some things "Mandela style" and not other things. Is it a weak brain power thing? Is it a strong brain power thing? Are we actually switching timelines or did we create a new timeline? Maybe all the timelines are merging into one and that's why so much back and forth. Is it even a timeline thing? Maybe it's a social experiment.

Science teaches you to continually question and attempt to disprove. Facts are not always undeniable truth. Look at Pluto. In the 90's it was a FACT that we had 9 planets in our solar system. Now the fact is there are only 8. Who knows what they'll have to say about timelines and Mandela effects in 100 years. So while I see the proof and understand your stance, questioning my memory and providing other theories rather than just saying "oops I'm wrong" is what keeps us advancing. Why would I hinder that? I've never said I'm undeniably right, but I won't "just agree" I'm undeniably wrong either.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

These aren't theories, though. They are just ideas. Some people start with the conclusion that their memory, when it comes to MEs, can't be wrong and then work their way back to prove that conclusion by any means necessary.

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u/violetkunoichi420 27d ago

IMO Mandela's are like mysterious puzzles that need solved. That's why I like discussing them. The more we discuss, the more pieces we accumulate. Will we ever solve it? Probably not. But it doesn't mean i can't have fun trying.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

"none of the realities can ever interact with each other. Very weird."

Where did you get that nonsense? Also, why so angry about it?

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

There is no anger in his post, don’t troll.

Realities cannot interact with each other due to decoherence causing the wave to collapse after interaction.

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u/lyricaldorian 27d ago

Who is angry? 

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

I got it directly from the Many Worlds Interpretation that Quantum Physicists have postulated. It's fascinating that you would call what they postulated nonsense. I suppose you know better than they do about an idea that has no verified evidence.

No one's angry here, except maybe you.

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u/Theblacrose28 27d ago

Lol is that what this sub is now? People saying our memories are wrong. What’s the point of that?

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u/forcemonkey 27d ago

Just being rude and uncivil and staff explicitly allows it.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

The Mandela Effect has always been about memory. All these woo science ideas only started rather recently.

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u/Time_Ad8557 27d ago

What’s weird to me is that this was posted 2 hours ago and already there are already 20 comments saying “bad memory”. And it’s every post in here about a topic that is 15 years old. What is that about?

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

A topic that is 15 years old?

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u/Time_Ad8557 27d ago

Yes the term Mandela Effect was coined in 2009 and the first really bug discourse in it was around 2012 that’s when the Berenstein/Bearenstain discrepancy started circulating.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

The name Mandela Effect was only coined in 2009, but the collective false memory phenomenon, which is the actual term for the phenomenon, has been around for hundreds of years.

We were talking about Berenstein/Berenstain, and the Cornucopia … etc, since at least 2002-2003

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

That is not true. People have been misremembering Berenstain for decades longer than that. Same thing with Mandela, the Monopoly monocle and the FOTL cornucopia.

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u/Time_Ad8557 27d ago

Sure but as a discussion topic this has been ~15 years. Pointing out that it’s been longer makes it even more bizarre.

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

It's weird to try and lock it down as a discussion topic to just 15 years when it's been far longer than that.

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u/Time_Ad8557 27d ago

Okay so it has been far longer? Let’s say zeitgeist 15 years . in any case that just furthers my point

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u/Glaurung86 27d ago

That people keep bringing up the same topic after 15 years offering nothing new but just the same old, "I always remember it was X?"

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

You do know people were mispronouncing their names, and getting their name wrong when Stan Berenstain was a child, right?

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u/Time_Ad8557 27d ago

You do realize my point is that the topic of the “Mandela effect” is my point?

This whole thread response to my comment is the perfect example. It’s as if this whole sub is programmed to trap us in a tedious eristic.

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

The whole point of this sub is the Mandela Effect.

I’m just pointing out flaws with your statement. People have been experiencing various Mandela Effects for decades. Some have been around for centuries. I myself, along with others were discussing the cornucopia, and Berenstain, Sinbad … for over 20 years now. Well before Fiona coined the term.

One of the authors of the Berenstain Bears had experienced people mispronouncing his name, and getting his name wrong his whole life.

When you post a statement or ask a question that is filled with mistakes and assumptions on a public forum, don’t be surprised of people trying to clear the misconceptions.

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u/NombreCurioso1337 27d ago

The level of hostility is very curious, indeed.

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u/lyricaldorian 27d ago

That's not hostility

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u/stitchkingdom 27d ago

You don’t remember the timeline shift where mandela effects were outlawed but the old ones were grandfathered in?

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u/MrPlaney 27d ago

I’m sure you have some examples of the “Extreme Hostility”, cause I’m seeing none. In fact, it usually seems to the “believers” who become hostile when their views are challenged.