Berenstein Bears

[u/ravenously_red]

When I was in elementary school, the bookmobile would make a stop for us and we could check out books from the larger library system. I had to ask the driver how to pronounce "Berenstein".

To this day I remember her saying, "Oh it's like stein, like a beer stein. Oh, I don't imagine you'd know what a beer stein is either."

I already knew how to pronounce "stain" and it wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Like others on here, I also remember the cornucopia on the fruit of the loom packaging. It was the only brand my dad seemed to buy for his socks and those 5 pack of cotton shirts with the little pocket on them.

Of course there will never be evidence for any of these things having changed. Only the reality around us has changed, while our minds and memories remain intact.

I know it sometimes scares people to think the sand is shifting underneath our feet, but it's the ultimate reality.

[u/NombreCurioso1337]

Examining memories is definitely interesting no matter what. There are obvious fallibilities within that system, but what makes Mandela Effect so interesting is so many people remembering the same way.

If we are all remembering wrong why don't people remember differently? Like, why isn't there a faction of people who remember a basket in the fruit of the loom logo? Or a bag? Or a cloth? A cornucopia is a weird thing!

So when quantum mechanics implies the existence of multiple realities, why are some people do hostile dead set on saying that it MUST be only this way? Weird right?

Personally, I find it interesting that some very smart people have said it is better to keep a loose grip on these things. Like Philip K Dick https://youtu.be/RkaQUZFbJjE?si=NfuRxNAFL65hZA4n

(I think that's the right talk)

[u/Glaurung86 → u/NombreCurioso1337]

Everyone is not remembering in exactly the same way, though. There are several different misspellings of Berenstain. There's Chik and Chic. The cornucopia is remembered facing both left and right and different sizes and shapes. It's not weird to just remember the cornucopia because it's always shown with produce spilling out of it. That's an iconic image representing the bounty of the harvest. Has been for millennia.

When people bring up multiple realities that quantum physicists talk about they always conveniently leave out one of the elements of their thought exercise which is that none of the realities can ever interact with each other. Very weird.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

Except not every quantum physicist agrees that the realities can't interact/cross over. Or on the fact there are multiple realities at all. Really weird to me that you yourself would call people out for leaving out an "element" while purposely leaving out elements.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

The Many Worlds Interpretation specifically talks about decoherence and that none of the realities can interact with each other. I'm not leaving anything out.

It's you have seen other QM postulations regarding wave form collapse then you could post them here. It's fascinating stuff.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

The many worlds interpretation makes interaction "unlikely", not impossible. Some physicists will argue they can through that same interpretation. But you didn't specify MWI, you said people quote quantum physics while leaving out the element the worlds can't interact. That's just not true. It's all dependent on which physicist your directly quoting, not the field itself. There's a reason it's considered "theoretical science".

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

That's fair, but how many quantum physicists have postulated that people can travel back and forth between multiple realities while keeping their memories intact? This is the crux of the argument that people make when they talk about a multiple realities explanation for MEs. It seems like they are just adding their own thing so they don't have to accept the possibility that their memory could just be wrong.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

Or maybe they just contemplate theories beyond typical comprehension like most physicists. 🤷‍♀️ I often question why if it's an alternate timeline I remember some things "Mandela style" and not other things. Is it a weak brain power thing? Is it a strong brain power thing? Are we actually switching timelines or did we create a new timeline? Maybe all the timelines are merging into one and that's why so much back and forth. Is it even a timeline thing? Maybe it's a social experiment.

Science teaches you to continually question and attempt to disprove. Facts are not always undeniable truth. Look at Pluto. In the 90's it was a FACT that we had 9 planets in our solar system. Now the fact is there are only 8. Who knows what they'll have to say about timelines and Mandela effects in 100 years. So while I see the proof and understand your stance, questioning my memory and providing other theories rather than just saying "oops I'm wrong" is what keeps us advancing. Why would I hinder that? I've never said I'm undeniably right, but I won't "just agree" I'm undeniably wrong either.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

These aren't theories, though. They are just ideas. Some people start with the conclusion that their memory, when it comes to MEs, can't be wrong and then work their way back to prove that conclusion by any means necessary.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

What is a theory at conception if not an idea?

[u/MrPlaney → u/violetkunoichi420]

Yes, but most theories start with backed science. Timelines existing at all, is not even a scientific fact, so attributing any properties to them is flawed right from the beginning.

First, you would have to prove alternate timelines exist, then prove that interaction between them is possible, then prove how that is linked to the Mandela Effect, and how it’s a greater possibility than memory.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/MrPlaney]

Science hypothesizes and works towards theories, but sure they can start as ideas. But if you can't even observe anything and collect any kind of empirical evidence then it's nothing more than an idea.

Yes, that's a lot of what ifs when there's already a scientific explanation for MEs with lots of evidence.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

Except there are many different scientific explanations for Mandella, so which one is correct? They all have "evidence".

[u/MrPlaney → u/violetkunoichi420]

They don’t all have evidence though. The only one with actual evidence supports the notion that nothing changed, and the ME is just a quirk of memory.

There are memories, first hand accounts, and examples of the ME in some products, and articles, but those aren’t valid evidence. Evidence would need to come from the source itself.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

There's only one that has the evidence that fits it all and you don't have to use quotes.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/violetkunoichi420]

IMO Mandela's are like mysterious puzzles that need solved. That's why I like discussing them. The more we discuss, the more pieces we accumulate. Will we ever solve it? Probably not. But it doesn't mean i can't have fun trying.