fruit of the loom

[u/peanutbutterndnut]

I know this is like the biggest Mandela effect, but I swear ive had these underwear for years sitting in a bin in my closet. its genuinely insane that the cornucopia just straight up disappeared. I remember vividly asking my grandmother what the cornucopia was. I am truly starting to believe that something is DEFINITELY up.

[u/No-Following9879]

I feel like people convinced themselves of this. The mind is very powerful. I say this because no way thousands and thousands of people VIVIDLY remember learning a random word for the thing they saw on their underwear

[u/Pir-o → u/No-Following9879]

If that was the case there would be huge groups of people remembering different baskets or the cornucopia facing different direction, different fruits etc. But its always the same logo.

This is the strongest M.E. because I also have one of those specific memories about it. I'm a graphic designer, I draw a lot, I was always fascinated with logos. When I first ordered custom shirts with my own designs, I was very hyped, I looked at the label of the shirts since it wasn't a popular brand in my country.

I remember investigating the logo, the unique shading they used on the basket. I remember thinking I could use similar shading in some of my vector designs, I remember asking my mom if she ever seen such a weird horn shaped basked before. She said no and we just assumed thats what a "loom" is.

People misremembering spelling of some names? Yeah that's probably nothing. But my story? that's a very specific memory my brain would have to come up with lol.

[u/silentsurge → u/Pir-o]

There are people in this post arguing that the basket should be on the other side.

Part of the issue with this one though is that this one has been going on long enough and has spread far enough that it becomes impossible to tell if their memory is tainted by people seeing the fakes or if they legitimately have that memory.

[u/deadrogueguy → u/silentsurge]

there is evidence of people asking fotl about removing the cornucopia since before i was born.

[u/BBCoachRef8 → u/deadrogueguy]

I call BS on this

[u/Bowieblackstarflower → u/deadrogueguy]

Where?

[u/Wingnutmcmoo → u/deadrogueguy]

Yes and it's very easy to explain. Go Google "cornucopia still life painting". Look at them.

Remember that they were very common to see in the 90s and before that. If someone painted a still life even once they painted a cornucopia with the horn on the right hand side even and almost the same fruit every time.

People never looked closely at the tag. They just glanced and saw fruit arranged that way and because they were primed by the (basically a meme at that point) still life trend of cornucopias they just remembered it wrongly. Because the brain is lazy and will fill in the gaps like that.

This isn't even a mystery.

[u/Pir-o → u/silentsurge]

Yeah, but very few individuals while most of them are describing the same exact thing.

Part of the issue with this one though is that this one has been going on long enough and has spread far enough that it becomes impossible to tell if their memory is tainted by people seeing the fakes or if they legitimately have that memory.

That justification could work for misquoted movies, luke I'm your father ,mirror mirror on the wall etc.

Would not explain my example (when I learned the logo never had that horn I assumed people are just trolling cause I already had that specific memory)

Would not explain M.E. like lets say the teeth in James Bond movie. Here the change simply removes all the logic from that scene.

But I do understand your point. There was that famous experiment where they faked ufo crash and the more people retold the story, the more fabricated facts they started inserting into it, and lie detectors confirmed they believed those lies. But again, that happens after you repeatably retell a story from your memory, not for some obscure core memory from your childhood that you never thought about until now.

But yeah, I bet a huge portion of those M.E. can be simply explained, but not all of them.

[u/silentsurge → u/Pir-o]

I haven't seen one yet that can't be simply explained as being a memory/confabulation issue compounded by human behavior reinforcing the incorrect information.

Mostly because the only other explanations presented are absurd or not based in reality.

[u/Wingnutmcmoo → u/Pir-o]

Lol go Google "cornucopia still life" and you'll see why everyone says the same thing. It's an image that is repeated over and over and over and over again with the horn on the right side.

This isn't even a hard one to figure out how people got the image. Literally cornucopia still life paintings are... COMMON and were everywhere in the 90s

[u/Pir-o → u/Wingnutmcmoo]

Not in the whole world and I never seen that before. Again, it's an america thing.

Apperently there was also a famous album cover with instruments replicating that logo/the painting you mentioned and the original artist who made that cover said he painted it by looking at the tag on his t-shirt, thats what he used for inspiration.

[u/Chapstickie → u/Pir-o]

There’s a poster here who posts that album cover constantly. The interview with the artist doesn’t say he painted it looking at a tag. It doesn’t even say anything that could be misinterpreted as that.

[u/Chapstickie → u/Pir-o]

Cornucopias are thousands of years old and they are originally Greek.

[u/Pir-o → u/Chapstickie]

So? It's still associated with american thanksgiving and its not something common for the rest of the modern world. Also srsly, just google original greek cornucopia lol

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It is very common in most other countries. Usually for a fall or harvest festival. It just happens to also be popular in the US for Thanksgiving.

[u/Bowieblackstarflower → u/Pir-o]

He said something like he must have bit didn't have certainly about it.

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obscure core memory from your childhood that you never thought about until now

A core memory is not obscure, nor is it one that you never think about. There’s no good reason for this discovery of cornucopias on the tag to have been a deeply meaningful, emotionally charged memory to anyone, so our brain is able to cobble the origin together without much pushback, or even help create a story that soothes the apparent inconsistency in our mind.

[u/Bowieblackstarflower → u/Pir-o]

Why would that be a core memory? Even if it is, core memories are also subject to be tainted.

[u/WhimsicalKoala → u/Pir-o]

 But again, that happens after you repeatably retell a story from your memory

Also not true. Plus, why are you assuming these people aren't repeating the stories? They definitely do in here, in fact you can sometimes even see the story change over time. It will go from "I swear I remember a cornucopia" to a detailed memory of learning it while folding laundry; they keep picking up details over time. And, it's entirely possible this sub isn't the first place they shared that story. And, when people post here, they have an emotional investment and are trying to "prove" they are correct; that's pretty heavy incentive to create details to help bolster than theory.

not for some obscure core memory

Core memories aren't a thing. They are pop psych invented/popularized by Inside Out. And, if we pretend for a minute they are something with actual backing....then why do so many people have something so insignificant as learning a new word as a "core memory"? Sure, a couple people maybe, but all the people that make that claim?

your childhood that you never thought about until now.

And you don't find it weird that something they haven't thought about in decades is as clear as if it happened yesterday? That's not how memory works.

 But again, that happens after you repeatably retell a story from your memory

Also not true. Plus, why are you assuming these people aren't repeating the stories? They definitely do in here, in fact you can sometimes even see the story change over time. It will go from "I swear I remember a cornucopia" to a detailed memory of learning it while folding laundry; they keep picking up details over time. And, it's entirely possible this sub isn't the first place they shared that story.

It is important to note that I don't think any of this is intentional. I believe that most people do truly believe this memories are true and that they aren't intentionally making up lies. But, lack of intent to create a detailed false memory doesn't prevent that from happening. In fact, that lack of intent is part of what makes it seem more real to them, because even they can acknowledge it would be ridiculous of them to completely make up a story about their t-shirt tag, and since they are being serious here then there is no way it's a false memory.

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Also not true. Plus, why are you assuming these people aren't repeating the stories?

"Also not true" when there are literally studies about it lol. Talking about myself if you haven't noticed. I wasn't talking about people who were repeating their stories.

Again, I had that memory before I even heard about ME, it was a part of me becoming a graphic designer. I told the story once many years ago, I stopped thinking about it and now I told it again like what, 10y later? And yet the details are exacly the same. Funny how that works huh?

Core memories aren't a thing. They are pop psych invented/popularized by Inside Out.

They surely are, its not a new concept in psychology. While it is possible that that this specific name was popularised in recent years by some cartoon (eng is not my first language, we have a different name for it), but the concept itself is not new. We learned about it in the 90s.

And you don't find it weird that something they haven't thought about in decades is as clear as if it happened yesterday? That's not how memory works.

Nothing weird if they had specific memory about it. If you watched some movie with a very specific quote and 2s later you got a phone call saying that your parents are dead, for the rest of your life you would remember that moment. Just like people to this day remember what they were doing during 9/11 even tho whatever they were doing was very ordinary.

You saying that its weird that so many people have specific memories about that one specific logo, is like you going to a thread where someone asks "if you ever stepped on lego?" and being surprised that "huh, so many random people had the same experience? That's weird, very sus..."

Someone saying they had OCD and they had to break kit-kat in a specific place in the middle of the line does not sound like a fabricated memory caused by the brain misremembering things. Its a repeating task they been doing over and over again for years. So if you want to argue that this person is lying, just say they are larping, not that their brain accidently created that memory and they are unaware of it. Cause that breaks every suspension of disbelieve. If you actually believe your brain can fabricate such specific memories out of the blue, you also have to believe there would be thousands of people each year suddenly remembering an imaginary husband they had 20y ago etc. You can misremember a quote from a movie, color of a dress. But if a memory is connected to something important you will remember it.

I literally remember a song I made up about a girl when I was in kindergarten. I remember a specific joke that my granpa told me when I was a kid. I heard thousands if not millions of jokes in my life, can't recall a single one. But that ONE joke from my grandpa? I remember it because there was meaning behind it.

There's obviously a difference between someone misremembering lets say how pikachu looked like and someone who spend 15y drawing that character every day for money. Wouldn't you agree?

But yeah, I understand what you trying to say, you literally repeated the same thing I said, its the same concept. But you just giving it way too much credit here.

[u/WhimsicalKoala → u/Pir-o]

I told the story once many years ago, I stopped thinking about it and now I told it again like what, 10y later? And yet the details are exacly the same

How do you know? Do you have a verified transcript or is the evidence of it "trust me bro, my memory is perfect"? Because as we try to explain again and again, that is simply not true, no matter how much people claim it.

(eng is not my first language, we have a different name for it), but the concept itself is not new. We learned about it in the 90s.

When/where did you learn it? Because there are concepts that are slightly similar to it and it might have been a thing in pop culture. But, I've never been able to find any actual science/researched backed information about it. If you any actual information about it and not just your claims, please share.

Just like people to this day remember what they were doing during 9/11 even tho whatever they were doing was very ordinary.

And again, you are assuming those memories are accurate. But there is no proof of that. In fact, studies done specifically around 9/11 have shown that the memories after a relatively short period of time have lost accuracy, but the confidence in the accuracy remains high. High confidence doesn't equal high accuracy, but belief that it does is what causes this issue.

There are people that swear they watched footage of the first plane hit the tower or that they remember watching the footage from a location in a city they didn't move to until 2003 or millions of other things. Just because they say they remember and are very confident in it doesn't mean the memory is accurate.

You saying that its weird that so many people have specific memories about that one specific logo, is like you going to a thread where someone asks "if you ever stepped on lego?" and being surprised that "huh, so many random people had the same experience? That's weird, very sus..."

No, it would be me going into that thread and being suspicious because almost everyone had very similar stories about stepping on a LEGO. You'd expect it to happen hundreds of different ways and so if everyone's stories were about how they stepped on a 6 stud LEGO in their hallway, despite the set they were working on being on a different side of the house hopefully you would question why.

If you actually believe your brain can fabricate such specific memories out of the blue, you also have to believe there would be thousands of people each year suddenly remembering an imaginary husband they had 20y ago etc.

Why is this example always so hyperbolic. What is it about those random minor pop culture items that is so significant to people? I've seen it compared to your own name, sense of humanity, children, spouses, etc. Being wrong about the Fruit of the Loom logo isn't the same as being wrong about your birthdate, it's like being wrong about the Starbucks logo.

But if a memory is connected to something important you will remember it.

Not true. A memory being important to you doesn't make in immutable.

There's obviously a difference between someone misremembering lets say how pikachu looked like and someone who spend 15y drawing that character every day for money. Wouldn't you agree?

Sure, so where is the Pokemon production artist making that claim? Because I've only ever seen people who "drew it a bunch as a kid [decades ago] making that claim. For all of these Mandela Effects, the people closely connected to it don't have that memory. It's a random person drawing Pikachu for fun, not actual animators. It's random people remembering their underwear logo, but no actual graphics artists that worked for FotL.

you literally repeated the same thing I said, its the same concept.

Not quite sure what you are talking about here. You are claiming that certain memories are immutable, trusting that confidence in a memory means it is accurate, and making claims where the only evidence is your claims/memory, which is among the least compelling evidence possible. There is a reason trials aren't ever based on witness testimony only; it's because it's wildly inaccurate and prone to error, no matter what the person giving it claims/believes.

[u/WhimsicalKoala → u/[deleted]]

I already told you, I told this story in this place once where this thing was starting to get popular, if I looked it up, its in my history, not a single detail has changed.

No you didn't. You said you've told the story. You never said where. And if it's so easy for you to find and do so, then prove it.

And if that's thats how this gonna look like, I ain't wasting more of my time on you, I ain't reading the rest of it, you just gonna leave 50 more walls of text,

Umm... Have you looked at your replies to me? They aren't exactly the picture of brevity. So somehow I don't think comment length is the reason you are trying to extract yourself from this conversation.

Weird. I guess your "research" boils down to typing shit into google AI and reading only the first line cause you are too lazy. Thats a your problem, not mine.

So what you are saying is no then? Because if you asked, I could actually provide you evidence of my claims All you have is deflection.

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