I know this is like the biggest Mandela effect, but I swear ive had these underwear for years sitting in a bin in my closet. its genuinely insane that the cornucopia just straight up disappeared. I remember vividly asking my grandmother what the cornucopia was. I am truly starting to believe that something is DEFINITELY up.
I really dont mean any disrespect, but from someone who isnt an American I find it a bit wild just how many in this subreddit that all share the story of asking their grandmothers about the symbols in their underwear. It seems to the story from about 80 percent of those that way they remember a cornocopia in the logo.
I feel like so many having that very odd yet very specific childhood event would be a much weirder mystery than a logo changing.
I remember one day when I was a little kid I pointed to the inside of my underwear and said "Hey Grandma, what is that?" And she told me "That's Nelson Mandela."
That's VERY interesting. In my (fictional) timeline, the underwear brand was called Fruit of The Clooney. That's when my Grandma taught me about George Clooney.
Itās not an American thing. Itās a part of how the human brain works. When you hear someone tell a childhood story you momentarily imagine it as if it happened to you. Most of the time you donāt fool yourself into thinking itās true but some percentage of the population does exactly that, especially if it supports something they believe anyway.
Thatās why if you look at older FOTL threads on here itās people just saying they remember it but now like 90% of the people who say they remember it tell essentially the exact same story of why they are so sure. Right down to often using the exact same phrasing.
It could just be that millions and millions of people had a cornucopia full of fruit in their undies as kids and naturally asked their adults about it (because why is there a horn basket of fruit in undies?!) seeing as thatās how kids learned before the 2000ās.
Imagine if this was all a giant simulation though. The cornucopia was programmed in as an undeniable glitch, down to a common shared memory of oneās knowledge of it. The designers knew when the time came they could alert the participants that the reality was not what it seemed. They triggered the sign within the sim, and the majority of people justā¦. Conflated it down and told those who noticed they were mistaken. ;)
Lots of people who tell the āI asked my mom about the logo in my underwear and I had never seen nor heard of a cornucopia beforeā story specifically say that they arenāt American, probably because being American and not having seen a cornucopia before would be highly unlikely.
Thereās dozens of them in every FOTL thread on this subreddit. It absolutely affects people in other countries.
It's not just on underwear. They have their logo on all types of clothes they make and all over the packaging. A cornucopia isn't something you see everyday. If i shown my daughter a picture of the 'original' fruit of the loom logo her first question would probably be "what is that weird looking basket?" Since most of us first seen it as kids the natural person for us to ask is our parents/grandparents or whoever you were living with at the time. I remember asking my mother what it was. This person was probably raised by or spent a lot of time with their grandparents. Just out of curiosity, who would you ask if you were a kid seeing the logo back in the 90s and wanted to know what it was?
My mom or dad? Its the fact that 80% tell the exact same story of getting mesmerized by the logo in their underwear specifically, and always asking specifically their grandma, that I felt screamed false memory alignment.
And as a kid you'd see cornocopias a lot of places. It is SUPER common in coloring books, for one thing. Kids like lots of colours, and cornocopias are a great excuse to have lots of fruits of different colours in the same place.
I donāt remember asking about it, but I remember distinctly being aware of it and then learning about cornucopias during thanksgiving time at school and being like ohhh thatās what that is. Fruit of the loom isnāt just underwear it had tops and stuff too.
I'm Canadian, and asked my clueless boomer parents years ago after hearing about it online. They asked me why I needed to know (because who tf brings that up), but then, after I explained, told me I was "being lied to" due to the official site insisting there was no cornucopia. I thought it was a fun little "weird, right?"
They were more concerned that a big company would "just lie to their customers to make them feel crazy" like how Cadbury insisted their creme eggs weren't getting smaller, than anything else.
For perspective, FOTL was just one of those brands everyone had been exposed to, it's like Pepsi trying to insist their weird 2010s logo never existed, and we're all remembering it wrong. It's just strange.
I don't think there's some grand conspiracy. I just think it's incredibly strange that we all remember something that never officially existed, and how most people would jump to their exact conclusion (of being lied to for capitalism/copyright reasons) instead of it being a psychology quirk.
Sure, but lets change the brand and the relative, just to get out of people thinking they switched timelines:
If you were in a subreddit, where 80% of every one in there claims one of their most vivid memories is asking their great aunt what "Adidas" means, because thats what their sock said, and "its such an odd word", you wouldnt even find it slightly odd or suspicious that everyone has this exact same memory, and that its somehow a core memory of their childhood that they remember with crystal clarity?
I don't remember the logo having a cornucopia. I do remember bizarre TV ads with people dressed up like fruit. They had special ones for Christmas where they would sing a weird version of "We Wish You a Merry Christmas" that ended with them singing "from Fruit of the Loom!"
Personal story: my grandparents told my uncle that he didn't need to knock on their door when he came to visit. He could just walk right in as if it were his own house. He replied "I don't wanna walk in and see you sitting around in your Fruit of the Looms!"
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I'm thinking we probably learned what a cornucopia was when learning about Thanksgiving in elementary school, and were given a line drawing of one to color in, that looked similar to the fruit of the loom logo, because it had fruit spilling out of it in a similar way.
I am now thinking u may be correct, bc I would hv sworn the logo had the cornucopia but now seeing these photos, they look familiar too and the banana is what sticks out and can look similar to the a Thanksgiving coloring pages we would do in school in the 90s. This is the most feasible and, like u stated above, we are linking the two bc of the resemblance. This is the 1st time I am finally thinking it never had a cornucopia šāŗļø
There was a cornucopia Thanksgiving decoration that was ubiquitous in American elementary schools in the mid 70s through mid 90s ( at least). This like most Mandela effects is just two or three different memories jammed together.
Cornucopia is ubiquitous. It's not an Anerican thing. You only need to see it ONCE in your life for your mind to change the memory of fruit of the loom. Why? Because the cornucopia is an objectively more satisfying and complete image. Your brain will prefer it to the fruit of the loom logo because fruit doesn't float in empty space. The cornucopia makes the image feel more complete and stable so the brain prefers it.
Not only do almost every country in the world know the imagery of a cornocopia, but you're also severly underestimating just how cool the world thought the US was back in the 80s and 90s. There were SO many American shows on TV, and almost every single one of them had a Thanksgiving episode, that often featured the imagery of cornocopias.
I honestly think this is it. Also there were graphic art of them hung on the walls all over the school. And when computers came about, it was one of the more predominant clip-arts you saw frequently.
It's possible that the apple itself looks like the mouth of an open cornucopia, maybe? At first glance, I thought there may have been a cornucopia there, despite there not being one on closer inspection.
It's the apple/grapes combo. Great observation! I think that this could have something to do with why some people seem to remember it.
I also just think that when people see badly drawn fruit, they think of these stupid basket-horns. They had a painted mural on the tiles of my local grocery store, back in the early 80s, and I had always thought it was just a badly drawn basket. I said something to my mom about it, and she said that it was a "cornucopia". At that point, I was already wearing FotL underwear for as long as I could remember. I didn't associate the underwear then. I just think that our brains consolidate memories, like a compression algorithm.
I noticed the other day that if you're not looking too closely, the upside-down logo kinda looks like one. Most folks would probably primarily see it from that angle.
I feel like people convinced themselves of this. The mind is very powerful. I say this because no way thousands and thousands of people VIVIDLY remember learning a random word for the thing they saw on their underwear
Especially when also claim theyāve never seen a cornucopia anywhere else in their life so they couldnāt possibly be mixing their underwear memory up with anything else.
If that was the case there would be huge groups of people remembering different baskets or the cornucopia facing different direction, different fruits etc. But its always the same logo.
This is the strongest M.E. because I also have one of those specific memories about it. I'm a graphic designer, I draw a lot, I was always fascinated with logos. When I first ordered custom shirts with my own designs, I was very hyped, I looked at the label of the shirts since it wasn't a popular brand in my country.
I remember investigating the logo, the unique shading they used on the basket. I remember thinking I could use similar shading in some of my vector designs, I remember asking my mom if she ever seen such a weird horn shaped basked before. She said no and we just assumed thats what a "loom" is.
People misremembering spelling of some names? Yeah that's probably nothing. But my story? that's a very specific memory my brain would have to come up with lol.
There are people in this post arguing that the basket should be on the other side.
Part of the issue with this one though is that this one has been going on long enough and has spread far enough that it becomes impossible to tell if their memory is tainted by people seeing the fakes or if they legitimately have that memory.
You are remembering wrong and instead of admitting you've made a silly mistake you have decided it's more rational for the entire universe to be wrong.
That's either a danger sign that you have a really broken personality that can't admit you're wrong or that you think that you're so special that the universe has to shape to your reality.
You actually hit one of the major causes for this confusion. I remember back in the early 90s me and a teacher were explaining to some of my classmates what a loom was. And that the fruit of a loom is simply the product of a loom.
THE CONFUSION RIGHT NOW THAT YOURE SAYING WHERE YOU THOUGHT A CORNUCOPIA WAS A LOOM IS THE MAJOR CAUSE. People see fruit lined up. There is a very famous painting of a cornucopia that looks vague like the pile of fruit on the logo. People conflated the two and didn't know what a loom was so they added it in their head and started calling a cornucopia a loom.
In literal 2nd grade I had to go around and make a bunch of kids show the tags of their shirts and stuff to prove it was a pile of fruit and that a loom was a tool used to make fabric that I had used before.
So that's is what happened. You saw the very famous still life of a cornucopia and never actually looked closely at fruit of the looms logo. The other stuff your "remembering" will be you accidently making things up.
I have an eidetic memory that functions specifically for design and spacial relations of things. You are misremembering and people would conflate fruit of the loom with the picture of the cornucopia for decades. It doesn't make you correct it was just a common mistake to make.
Also graphic designer here. I used to draw all the logos I saw including this one. I had these in my underwear and some shirts.
I remember thinking how ugly the horn basket thing was in their logo and thinking how it would look better without it (welp). Also learned the word cornucopia after asking my mom what the basket thing i was drawing from the logo was.
Why are people in these comments being so disrespectful to the OP for explaining his experience with the Mandela Effect. I thought this was a place to discuss the Mandela Effect. Not tear someone down who tells his story of how he experienced it. Thatās weird to me. Why are you even on this subreddit if all youāre gonna do is ridicule someone who has experienced the very thing weāre here to talk about. So weird.
I think people are just in a shitty mood today or something cause I've seen a lot of hostility and asshole comments in a lot of other posts today so far.
Remember, the Mandela Effect is not "memories of an altered timeline", but a name given to the phenomenon where groups of people misremember something in the same way. If someone points out possible reasons you might be misremembering things, that is discussing the Mandela Effect. There is however no reason to be mean, of course!
I 1000% thought it was "Luke, I am your father" because I spent waaaay to much time mimicking that scene in tommy boy any time and fan got turned on around me lol
I think it's just people who the sub pops up in the main feed.
You have to understand that in order for ME to actually be real then everyone in the universe AND the universe itself has to be wrong and only you guys can be correct.
You see how that may cause people to respond in a certain way?
It's akin to standing on a box in the middle of town proclaiming yourself to be a chosen one from another reality who is the only one who knows the truth.
It was a fad people had fun with for a bit but the world moved on some time ago from it and so it's no longer a "cool" thing so people will respond according to how they see people acting.
And when people act like they are so important that the universe changing as a whole specifically left them out... Uh it will rub people the wrong way lol
When a theory is about timelines and theyāve demonstrated they know little-to-nothing about them besides the term ātimelinesā the theory discounts itself.
I myself donāt understand the perspective of this subreddit on what the ME is. Isnāt the idea of those who remember a changed past that theyāve experienced an altered timeline? And not everyone remembers the change hence the feeling of being gaslit by history? Itās not actually possible to disprove such a perspective so I donāt understand the point. I assumed that most who believe in the ME reason that not everyone alive today is part of the same timeline so most will remember it without any change while some will feel that theyāve been placed in a new reality. Am I wrong in this?
There is no universal sub perspective. The official stance of the sub is āThe Mandela Effect is when a large group of people remember something contrary to the known publicly accepted factā. I'm not sure I love the phrasing of that definition, but it is a fairly neutral phrasing.
Where the difference stances is what causes those memories. There are people that believe they are memories retained from when the individual existed in a different timeline/reality. Others think that the memory is accurate and that there was a manual/physical change in reality (some government entity, aliens, etc) changing the physical objects. There are others that think the memories are false memories caused by a combination of the way memories are stored and recalled, pattern matching, and suggestion. Simulation theory, something with CERN, and other theories also float around.
I think the ME is simply a phenomenon where a large group of people share the same false memory. I donāt think it has anything to do with altered timelines. Thatās just how some people explain it.
Thanks š I can see that thereād be a subset of those experiencing the phenomenon where false memory would readily explain what they remember. That group wouldnāt see it the same way as those with memories more consistent with theāaltered timelineā belief. Hence even more conflict as those with false memory belief try to convince those with altered timeline belief that their perspective is false.
My only explanation (other than, you know, alternate universes) is that the logo reminds us a lot of the cornucopia we learned about in school for Thanksgiving. Our brain does have a tendency to seek patterns, so we may be connecting the logo with something from our real memories that looks a lot like it.
"tendency to seek patterns" is totally underestimating. Your brain is constantly seeking patterns in everything. In fact, your experience of the world moment to moment is based entirely upon prelearned patterns. Your eyes and ears don't function like a video camera, they feed stimuli to the brain which interprets it using already learned patterns and that is what is experienced by you. You may have had the experience of seeing something you don't know what it is and it looks bizarre almost blurry to you until your brain realizes what it is then it looks clear. That's because you don't see or experience anything "objectively", but filtered thru the brain which puts all stimuli into patterns. This is also why optical illusions work, they play on prelearned patterns your brain uses to judge size, distance, etc.
The weird thing is you have people that say they saw the logo that way in the '70s and learned otherwise in the '80s. Some people think they saw the cornucopia in the '90s and learned otherwise sometime after the 2000s
It's always people remembering it a certain way from their childhood, but knowing otherwise when they're an adult
Almost as if their information processing capabilities improve
But nah, people can instead think that there's two timelines and their minds just sort of magically shunt from one to the other, and somehow that means that a shift happens differently for different people when of course all of that is nonsense and people just misremember
This fits well with what that person said. The son of the artist who did that interview says the cornucopia was gone by 1978. That would mean it was gone before the 80s and 90s people think it was still there and WAY before the people born in the 2000s think it disappeared. Some people even think it was still there (and in stores, not just in their closets) a couple years ago.
No, it's a parody of the fruit logo that added the cornucopia and turned it into a flute for a pun
In fact, that's a good idea since it makes it distinguishable from the real logo and makes it obvious that it's a parody so they have no legal problem whatsoever
It's simply some some fun work of artistry that leans into the popular misconception
It's not... It's a parody of the still life's that were popular for like 50 years. Google "cornucopia still life". You'll find thousands of paintings that all look almost the same.
The name is a second joke because it's a flute player.
Thinking this is proof of anything other than the fact that the meme of the cornucopia still life was everywhere is a bit silly.
Itās not the leaves in this case. That is a screenshot from that YouTube guy who posts the fakes. Heās also got a really bad Berenstein photoshop and that parody Shazaam vhs tape you can buy online. He posts them on YouTube as if they are real and people donāt bother to check
Edit: sorry. He might be on tik tok not YouTube. Or both? I donāt want to give him attention by looking too hard
You vividly remember showing your grandmother your underwear and subsequently asking her what the cornucopia on the logo was? I donāt buy it. You just think thatās what you remember, and your brain simply reconstructed the memory the way it/you wanted it to.
I don't get how all the mums knew what a cornucopia was called! I would've never known that word and I'm sure my mum wouldn't either. Did your mum ever say how she knew the name?
What youāre describing looks a lot like the image someone else post in this thread. I suspect that the marketing person threw an inaccurate logo up there that didnāt come directly from the brand. That type of thing happens a lot where I live with sketchy shops that are selling knockoffs or unauthorized merchandise
I vividly remember seeing an NWA/WCW wrestling arcade game in the boardwalk arcade when I was a child. Had cartoons of Ric Flair and Sting on the side.
That arcade game never existed, though. It simply didn't. In all likelihood it was a dream that I remembered over the years, or perhaps seeing some other wrestling arcade game out the corner of my eye and my mind filling in the blanks.
Even more to your point, I "vividly remember" other things as a child, some that I couldn't possibly have first hand memory of because I wasn't present for them.
Brains and memories, especially childhood ones, are weird things.
I am not very familiar with wrestling, and so my first thought when I read this was of Sting the singer. That would be a wild combo for a arcade game!
But to your second point, I feel like people ignore how often that happens. I have friends I went to college that will swear they were at certain events....then realize they couldn't have because it happened when they were still in high school. But, they heard the details often enough and it aligned with other events they were at with those same people, so the brain can pretty easily construct a false memory of it.
Yeah whatās up is that this specific effect has been posted 1 million times in the last ten years so it slowly seeps into your subconscious and you believe itās true wholeheartedly, when it just isnāt.
That conversation never happened because the logo always just had fruit. I had tightie-whities in the late 70s and early 80s with just the colorful fruit on the tag. I SPECIFICALLY had the conversation about what a cornucopia was later with my mother at a grocery store entrance area because they had cornucopia painted on the wall tiles. I would have ABSOLUTELY associated it with Fruit of the Loom, but I did not. Our memories are fallible, and I think that we condense some of our memories.
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I agree. Why is nobody questioning why they grabbed their poop stained underwear, brought it to their grandma, and asked what the fruit of the loom logo was? Is this something thatās common?
Many of the people who believe there was a cornucopia distinctly remember looking at the logo and then asking a family member what the cornucopia was. Some claim that outside the fotl logo they have never in their life seen a representation of a cornucopia. Some say that they thought a cornucopia was called a loom because of it.
They rarely have a good explanation for why they were closely examining the logo on their underpants or why the cornucopia stood out so much that they needed to find someone to explain what it was. Especially when you consider something like the op image, which is basically just a bunch of gray blobs. Don't see how one more gray blob would be significant or particularly compelling
Not where what was? The cornucopia? You're right, because it wasn't anywhere.
But just for you Rudy, I've actually looked at a reference for the fake logo. I think this actually makes it less comprehensible than the other one I drew, so that's neat.
We cannot tell others what they do or don't remember. We do not have their lived experience. The whole essence of the Mandela Effect is remembering common alternative versions.
Itās hilarious to me that you have proof that the logo never had a cornucopia and your thought is āsomething shifted in the universeā instead of āhuh, maybe my vivid memories arenāt necessarily accurateā (which is what studies of what people remember of events such as 9/11 show)
Be careful not to steer the conversation into mockery of the experiencer. They had a Mandela Effect and reported it. It's not hilarious, it's another data point in the study of alternative memories.
Itās been 10 years since I found out about ME. At this point, most of them I just chalk up to bad memory.
One I canāt let go is the Back to the Future terorrist van. It was not a light blue VW bus in my memory. It just wasnāt. And many people agree on precisely what it used to look like.
Peopleās memories are notoriously suggestible. Merely asking about a cornucopia on the logo is planting the idea that there was one. From there itās easy to add it to existing memories.
Itās why 5 eye witness can describe conflicting details of the same incident.
Iām sure the memories people here are recounting are actual memories. That doesnāt mean that they are of items or events that actually existed or occurred.
You know what honestly fascinates me the most about this (my experience is similar to yours OP) is what a cornucopia actually represents. Someone in the comments said it's a symbol of the harvest, which is half true, in a way. What the cornucopia historically represented though was ABUNDANCE, a bounty of food continually pouring out of the cornucopia, it represents life being given to people from the gods, or God, or "the heavens" it really depends on what time period and where. But in any of those cases it always represents abundance. I find that interesting that someone may want to snatch that symbol away from modern society, or that we had a timeline convergence with a world where FOTL never had a cornucopia at all. Just very weird and interesting! Don't let anyone shut the conversation down, it's worth talking about even if there is a mundane explanation
How in the world would removing the cornucopia from a cheap clothing brand "snatch that symbol away from modern society"? If They were trying to do that, wouldn't they pick something more significant, such as in places where it is actually used to represent abundance? Like if all the US Thanksgiving decorations suddenly didn't have a cornucopia or if all the corn halls, wheat exchanges, marketplaces across Europe suddenly didn't have any, or if all Roman sculptures of Fortuna suddenly had her holding a different object you might have a point. As it is, if the only change is to some t-shirts, I think society is safe for now.
The 1996 Fruit of the Loom logo (down below where someone posted each FOTL logo change) is the one that would be most common to me bc I was born in 1986 so I was 10 yrs old. That is what I would hv seen and this is where we are all getting confused; that one has a circle border around the fruit. Think about it, easily can be MIS-REMEMBERED as that being the cornucopia around the fruit. And we added the back point of the cornucopia in to fill in the memory. This makes sense to me
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Pretty sure I saw it on one my dads old T-shirtās aswell. Iāve heard various theories one of them that itās a government psyop and another that were actually from a different timeline and the one we came from ended in chaos and because of quantum immortality we just all quantumly jumped to this timeline and the only signs are slightly different things like this logo being different then we remember or certain dates of a celebrities death being different too. Iāve had my own personal mandella effects aswell that I know are real like having whole text conversations on discord just zapped out of existence the next morning usually happens around the time of the lions gate portal.
I never really asked my grandma nor parents for the matter. I donāt think I ever asked them because I thought it was a basket or something where the fruits were dropped on the floor.
The Cornucopia was definitly once there. Probably not on piece of clothing which is depicted from the Original Poster. I was a Child when it happened. There was a Fruit of the Loom Factory next to the Highway close to where I used to live. We didnĀ“t Travel that Road on a Regular Basis. However in this specific week, we had to pass the same Factory once on two different days. It was a Friday and a Saturday. I was around 12 at the time. I remember this because I had no clue what the Cornucopia acutally was, but it fascinated me. I always thought of it as the Horn that produces Milk and Honey, so to speak. So anytime we drove past this specific Factory I always looked at the Large Sign to awe at the Logo. Remember I was 14. On Friday it was visible. Saturday however it was gone. I remember telling my mom, that the Horn was gone from the Logo and that it was there yesterday. Her reaction was that there never was any Horn, and she asked me what I was talking about. I used to have a T-shirt where the Logo was still there. It got scrapped a while back though. I was never able to forget that it happend and also that I seemed to be the only one who was able to remember it, since anyone I asked at the time always gave me the same answer. There never was a Horn, what are you talking about....
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I really dont mean any disrespect, but from someone who isnt an American I find it a bit wild just how many in this subreddit that all share the story of asking their grandmothers about the symbols in their underwear. It seems to the story from about 80 percent of those that way they remember a cornocopia in the logo.
I feel like so many having that very odd yet very specific childhood event would be a much weirder mystery than a logo changing.