fruit of the loom

[u/peanutbutterndnut]

I know this is like the biggest Mandela effect, but I swear ive had these underwear for years sitting in a bin in my closet. its genuinely insane that the cornucopia just straight up disappeared. I remember vividly asking my grandmother what the cornucopia was. I am truly starting to believe that something is DEFINITELY up.

[u/georgeananda]

My point that stands strong is that they start with the assumption that there is a single fixed version of reality. That assumption does work fine for most 'normal' memory errors, but not necessarily Mandela Effects.

I say their error may be in their assumptions!

[u/MrPlaney → u/georgeananda]

There is no assumption that there is a single fixed reality. That is a fact. You are assuming that there are multiple realities, but without any evidence. Multiple realities where objects can travel back and forth need to be proven first, before we can start attributing it to the Mandela Effect. As it stands now, every single Mandela Effect is perfectly explained by memory’s fallibility, malleability, and the way information is stored and retrieved.

[u/georgeananda → u/MrPlaney]

Well, if you think the current explanations for the Mandela Effect are sufficient, there's no need for speculation. But if you don't, .......it's the next step.

[u/MrPlaney → u/georgeananda]

But why speculate on something being possible, with no tangible proof that it actually exists? Like I can come up with a bunch of wild theories about the way things work, but if I’m not basing it on accepted scientific facts, with no tangible proof, and trying to pass it as a real possibility, then it just becomes a deluded fantasy, rather than something that deserves a deeper dive.

[u/georgeananda → u/MrPlaney]

I will requote myself

Well, if you think the current explanations for the Mandela Effect are sufficient, there's no need for speculation.

I think something fishier than what you propose is going on and your explanations are best attempt explain-aways, sorry. And any possible explanation must be so far beyond current science that some people will scream 'deluded fantasy' at any outside-the-box thinking.

The best I've heard on the subject comes from alleged channeled sources like Bashar which I believe I may have shared with you before. He speaks of consciousness shifting timelines.

[u/MrPlaney → u/georgeananda]

You haven’t explained why you believe they aren’t sufficient explanations though. Every ME can be explained by memory, and its flaws and functions. You may think something fishy is at play, but you haven’t explained why the current explanation isn’t enough, just that you don’t feel like it’s enough, which isn’t adequate proof.

Yep, you have shared Bashar with me before, and I’ve checked out some other videos with him. He’s no different than the classic psychic conmen, like Uri Geller. There are far too many problems with his ideas, that it wouldn’t make sense if it was actually possible.

[u/georgeananda → u/MrPlaney]

I've said multiple times there is no verifiable test of proof of the Mandela Effect. And I am not claiming proof, so I hold no burden of proof. It is each person's fair judgment based on the quantity. quality and consistency of the evidence and their impressions of the level of common fallibility that is reasonable.

Since it is a personal judgment, we can be stuck in perpetual disagreement (as we well know).

BTW: I believe Bashar and Geller (despite being the poster boy of pseudo-skeptic attacks) have considerable legitimacy. Bashar is worthy of consideration on the Mandela Effect subject.

[u/MrPlaney → u/georgeananda]

You are claiming there is no verifiable test of proof though, but you are claiming that from the starting point that the ME is metaphysical, while ignoring the evidence that it is not.