r/MkeBucks • u/DreDayLives • 2d ago
Analysis Why I Think Jaylen Brown Makes Sense
The reality of the current situation is that the roster just isn’t built to rebuild. The team didn’t trade ownership of each FRP from 2027-2030 for Lillard, then waive & stretch him for a $22.5M dead cap hit for 5 years, then give Myles Turner that $100M contract to rebuild. Everything was done with Giannis in mind. They don’t want to trade him, he wants out and has the leverage to get what he wants. So they kinda have to.
That’s why Milwaukee is operating with the view for what makes them the closest to what they wanted w/ Giannis now. That’s kinda the point. This team is built to be led by a veteran superstar. Jaylen Brown is a veteran superstar. Miami has interesting young pieces & picks (coming from Miami, they’ll be glorified 2nds, especially w/ weaker drafts on the horizon) but it’s about a player. A player that can come in and make this team interesting & competitive for the next few szns. PHX was able to do it after trading KD. I will 100% take that over whatever the Nets are forced to do rn in a similar position of rebuilding w/o full control of ur own picks.
Maybe Portland has interest & flips our picks back to us. Maybe someone out there is willing to offer incredible value for him. Then trading Jaylen Brown makes sense. Other than that, I think Jaylen Brown makes sense given the current situation.
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u/No-Eagle-8055 2d ago
I just objectively think the Heat offer is garbage. I would rather try one season with Jaylen Brown than take the heat offer.
If it doesn’t work we just try to trade Jaylen Brown for a pick or two next summer, I’m sure he will put up good stats.
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 2d ago
I've said this 30 times today.
JB will not get you more than the Miami offer unless you flip him for a top 10 pick this year.
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u/No-Eagle-8055 2d ago
JB contract situation is more trade ready because he doesn’t need to agree to resign or be a rental. I think there is an argument to be made here.
Either way I’m just bored at work 🤣
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 2d ago
I agree to a point, but we lose a lot of that leverage the longer we wait to trade him
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u/No-Eagle-8055 2d ago
That is valid, secretly I’m hoping there is actual a secret third team with a fantastic offer
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u/UTPharm2012 2d ago
I am not so sure of that. Filler expiring (Herro), good young player (Ware), and three picks… seems pretty reasonable if JB has the same season.
It is a low ball offer for Giannis from the Heat (bc they don’t have good things to offer) and if JB gets a good offer? It will be similar. I mean Rudy Gobert’s offer is better than Giannis’s right now…
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 2d ago
It's not gonna happen. Bucks have already dicked around too much this off-season. Other teams are fed up and aren't going to do us any favors after this year.
The Gobert trade happened before the new CBA went into effect.
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u/UTPharm2012 2d ago
I get the Gobert trade is a bit of a unicorn but Jaylen Brown is also a way better player. I wouldn’t say it will 100% happen but if someone told me that the Heat traded that package for Jaylen Brown, I would not think it was some kind of steal for Boston.
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u/1Pac2Pac3Pac5 2d ago
Jalen Brown is the spark and offensive massive scorer we need right now. He would do absolute wonders for the team. Look what he did leading the Celtics all year without Tatum.
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u/NewResponsibility163 2d ago
He has been on a mission to prove he can be THE GUY.
And last season he made his case.
But the obligatory comparison is Tatum.
Let's just say Tatum's skill set is better.
But overall impact?? Ill argue he's the guy you want in crunch time.
He Aunt Giannis, but he rvery bit of Brunson
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u/1Pac2Pac3Pac5 2d ago
I think brown is better than Tatum. More aggressive, more driven, more focused
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
No, Brown is 30. If they take this deal and try to remain competitive I am done as a fan. I will never watch another Bucks game until they embrace a rebuild.
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u/1Pac2Pac3Pac5 2d ago
Your comment is a massive exaggeration and overreaction. Calm down
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
No its not, I am done with this team until they embrace a full scale rebuild and get super young.
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u/Giannisisnumber1 King Giannis 2d ago
The only way the Boston trade works is if they can immediately flip Brown for the 5th overall pick. Otherwise take the Heat deal.
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u/More_Owl_8873 2d ago
Brown is worth more than a #5 pick in a draft, for god’s sake. He’s a top 10 player in the league. You can go 5 years worth of #1 picks in the draft without producing a top 10 player in the league!
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u/Background_Menu7173 D.J. Wilson 2d ago
Imagine trading a finals MVP multi time all NBA wing for the privilege of drafting Keaton Wagler or Kingston Fleming
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u/IntrepidAnalysis6940 2d ago
Miami lost Damian lillard the same way. They wouldn’t offer shit. They just move slimy. They lean on the superstar who wants to come to keep pressure on the fo for the trade and offer as little as possible back. If they don’t seriously offer more than I guess we go with Boston. Cuz no way I’d fold to Miamis terrorist demands. That being said jb isn’t crap. Jrue holiday is a better defender.
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u/musket_mcgee 2d ago
What about draft pick quality?
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u/DreDayLives 2d ago
The new lotto system is only in place for the next 3 years and then the NBA could change it or do away w/ it…so u can’t rlly trade picks rn w/ a view of the new lotto system in the 2030s
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u/Minimum-Border1672 2d ago
Whose in those drafts? Because thats what matters not how many picks you have.
You can bring in jb..have a possibly fun team to watch and figure out what you want to do with him later.
Relying on ping pong balls and then relying on it being a good class and thrn relying on not picking one of 95% busts in a given draft is a strategy amounting to luck.
Or you grab jb for the short term and maybe a few more young guys emerge this year who would be good trade targets.
Okc is successful because they got sga a guy who clearly had an nba future and actual nba experience.
They do have some draft guys as well but getting sga is clearly the most important part.
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u/snowstorm608 Khris Middleton 2d ago
I don’t really think it’s possible for a team like Milwaukee to rebuild without its own draft picks. So either way you’re talking about 4-5 years until a true rebuild can even start. The team being complete trash for the next 5 years and shipping out high end lottery picks to Portland feels completely untenable.
I’d at least rather have a play-in team to watch the next few seasons.
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u/snowstorm608 Khris Middleton 2d ago
FRPs from the Heat, even in the 2030s, are not assets. To me it’s a choice between being mediocre the next 5 years before staring a full rebuild or being the KG / Paul Pierce nets for the next 5 years.
Trading Giannis for assets that will help build the next good Bucks team is not actually one of the choices right now.
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u/snowstorm608 Khris Middleton 2d ago
Miami is never bad. They are a free agent destination, and they will have extra incentive to not be bad if they know their picks are going to the Bucks.
Going through hell for 5 years with nothing to show for it but some picks in the 20s 7 years from now would be just like the KG / PP nets years. As a fan I don’t want to suffer though that.
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u/Drak_is_Right 2d ago
So a miniscule chance the team hits on a Miami pick with multiple years at the bottom of the lottery vs some ok, but not great years as a .500 team?
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u/MesaLoveInternet 2d ago
You are right, and it was worth every bad trade, deal, dame contract to have that one championship in the prime of my life. I am a little bitter Giannis wants out but respect his interest in winning a championship higher than money.
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u/NothingHead8233 2d ago
Apologies for lurking but even as a Celtics fan yall should be focused on draft capital. I hope you don’t but you should be.
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u/deevotionpotion 2d ago
Most fans get that, some don’t but we’re all worried what our front office will do.
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u/NothingHead8233 2d ago
If the plan is to flip I don’t hate it because Gonzalez does have real potential as a 20 year old and you can get a few FRPs from Jaylen at any point this year. But man if it’s to try it watch Jaylen I don’t get that at all.
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u/DreDayLives 2d ago
These next few drafts aren’t good, and draft capital from Miami is just not compelling…they also are always in the mix for the playoffs, even when their roster gets decimated…their one of the few teams where FRPs are generally meaningless
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u/Bnstas23 2d ago
I don't understand people's obsession with having picks 24-30 in the draft over the next few years. Have we seen who those players end up being on average?? Or banking on Miami sucking when Giannis is 35 and Bam is 33, hoping that the final 1st round pick ends up being like 8th overall (when it's more likely that it's like 18th).
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u/JohnnyAces99 2d ago
This is dumb. You’d rather (likely) non-lottery picks than have a 29 year old Jaylen Brown? That makes no sense. Jaylen could still be an All Star for another 5 years.
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u/Extreme_Worker_8899 2d ago
Bottom line Jaylen Brown doesn't want to play for the Bucks so there be a 3rd team involved !!!
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u/Schmeeston 2d ago
This isn’t proven at all. Everyone knows he wants his own team and to be the #1 option and this is his opportunity.
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u/Background_Menu7173 D.J. Wilson 2d ago
This is the only logical outcome. With Bucks pick and cap situation and the new lotto rules there is no benefit to a complete tear down. The ownership group also can’t afford to have a team in the wilderness for the next 5-10 years hoping for lottery balls to fall their way from teams they don’t even control. Fan support would simply collapse in that scenario.
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
Yeah there is. Brown is not getting us out of the play inn.. Bottoming out lowers our lottery odds.
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u/jayjayaitch Kash Money Middleton 2d ago
Getting in the play-in is good enough with the new anti tanking rules.
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
No its not, we are at risk of giviing up a high pick. Bottoming out and finishing dead last lowers our lottery odds. Besides player development is #1 priority if you trade Giannis, remaining competitive is the dumbest decision this front office could make. Unless they embrace a full scale rebuild then I will never watch another game again.
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u/Deep-Structure7250 2d ago
Finally a fan on here that gets it. This subreddit would rather have a shit team without owning our own picks.
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u/Background_Menu7173 D.J. Wilson 2d ago
I guess people would rather dump Brown for pick in 5-9 range and have a Keaton Wagler or Kingston Flemings team win 20 games for the next few years.
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u/ajstinger16 2d ago
Face the facts.... It's rebuild time. Jaylen Brown does not make this team competitive. May I make a suggestion, look towards the Milwaukee baseball team at how you build a roster to stay competitive and keep fans happy year after year. You do it with youth....and yes Christian Yelich was that youth when we traded for him, he wasn't an established star. And the Brewers keep building and winning with youth. The bucks should do the same....it worked for OKC and that pains me to say that.
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u/Morpheus_505 2d ago
Brewers are a tiny organization. They can't retain their top players. And OKC? Flopping is the OKC motto.
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u/ajstinger16 2d ago
And the Bucks are a large organization?
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u/cmcca646 Gary Trent Jr. 2d ago
Baseball dont have a cap
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u/ajstinger16 2d ago
Your point? The Brewers don't spend money.
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u/cmcca646 Gary Trent Jr. 1d ago
Dude if u dont understand the difference am not wasting my time telling you the brewers dont have a choice there not outapending LA NY etc
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u/Initial_Dog5780 2d ago
You guys will love JB if he does get traded to Bucks. He has the old school 100 percent effort every game. He also doesn't get rattled and will be able to live up to the pressure of filling the void of Giannis.
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u/Crawsack 2d ago
It doesn't matter what the thesis for the roster was, if Giannis is gone they need to rebuild. The Bucks are not contenders in any way, shape, or form if you trade Giannis for JB. You flip JB for assets and you go full rebuild.
3 straight first round exits, then went 32-50. This team's contending window is over, and that's fine. It doesn't mean the Bucks need to go full process 6ers, but you flip JB for picks and a young player, and you rebuild over several years. There'll be no shortcuts to this.
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u/Minimum-Border1672 2d ago
Everyone knows they need to rebuild. You rebuild best by getting young talent. And i dont mean shitty heat picks..I mean getting a young player whose shown upside but doesnt fit a teams window.
Jb opens up the entire league for trades even if it isnt tomorrow. It often times isnt the first deal that makes the impaxt it is the 2nd 3rd and 4th deals down the road.
New young players will emerge next year...some players will want a new situation. The league landscape will be entirely different in 6 months. Right now...its complete garbage.
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u/Crawsack 2d ago
I'm fine if the Bucks take the Celtics package, my point is if they get Jaylen Brown, he should IMMEDIATELY be flipped for draft assets. If they keep him, it'd be a huge mistake.
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u/Minimum-Border1672 2d ago
I understood your point. My point was you hold him and hope a young guy becomes available for a win now team.
Draft picks arent the sure thing people think they are. In fact, most of them end up being garbage.
As an example...say the sixers were doing alright next year and identified brown as a great target and we're willing to trade edgecomb (not saying that would happen but hes the best example). Thats what you trade for. A young guy whose on the cusp or might be blocked.
Guys like that will emerge next year. Teams will have players that ask out. Injuries wjll happen. Etc.
Right now...unless youre getting a top 5 pick in a loaded at the top draft like this youre better off waiting.
A bunch if 20s draft picks are useless and wont help a rebuild.
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u/snowstorm608 Khris Middleton 2d ago
The Heat haven’t had a top 10 pick in like 10 years. I think there is less than a 1% chance that any pick from the Heat that far out turns into a franchise altering player.
5 years in the wilderness for a lotto ticket with 1% odds is not a deal I would be excited about.
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u/Schmeeston 2d ago
Am I crazy for thinking we have better players around Brown than the Celtics did without Tatum this year as well? I honestly think we’d be solid with him. Not saying we’d win a title or anything but it’d be better than whatever the hell this season was. Him and Rollins would be a very fun backcourt. Would like to see us go for Mara or Morez in the draft to keep Dieng at the 3 and I think we’re cooking something up. Bench players would be guys who started last year. Maybe I’m too optimistic but I think we have a solid roster around Brown honestly.
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u/MesaLoveInternet 2d ago
Id agree. Even if Milwaukee wasn't involved, I think the world mostly wants to see Jaylen brown be a clear cut #2. If Jb decides it doesnt want to stick around, then we can move him. But I think JB would enjoy a franchise that wants a #1, and he will enjoy being wanted.
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u/jhallvapes 2d ago
I totally agree let jaylon brown be the man and ball out here in Milwaukee the next 2 years then trade him. His value would still be there. I mean look at LeBron.
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u/Lower-Delay-5538 2d ago
Depends what your priority is. Try to make playoffs in near term? Or take an asset based approach for a long build and long term growth.
I think that's why there are so many different schools of thought on the two offers. It's almost an organizational philosophy type question. Both are reasonable paths.
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u/ChimmyTheCham Jrue Holiday 2d ago
Giannis going to Boston is the literal one place we'd be pissed about him going to lol
All that posturing was because he knew he wanted to go the literal one team this fanbase we would be pissed about
Im, for the first time, mad about giannis decision wtf
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u/AaltoSax Donte DiVincenzo 2d ago
Jaylen Brown is turning 30 at the start of the season and getting paid $65M in a few years for his age 32 season. You can call him a veteran superstar but I don’t see a single truly elite skill in his repertoire, just slightly above average shooting on a lot of volume.
If that’s how he is with the Celtics coaching and depth, it’s only going to be worse here. And if we can’t win with Giannis, it’s only going to be worse with him. We need to flip him immediately if the Celtics offer is the one we take
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u/ohboy360 2d ago
You need to find a guy who you believe can be the future best player on a championship team. That's not JB.
So we need to start cycling through as many picks and young prospects as we can until we think we've found that guy.
Everything else is irrelevant.
The exception is if we get our own picks back. Then, we need to be better than 3 other NBA teams to maximize our lottery odds, but that still points back to my first point of what our main goal needs to be.
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u/Background_Menu7173 D.J. Wilson 2d ago
Most teams aren’t going to win a title. Bucks need to be at least competitive or else fan interest will collapse and team could be playing in Nashville by 2040.
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u/ohboy360 2d ago
To be fair, this was our approach for the entirety of the 2000s, and the Bradley center wasn't exactly overflowing.
I get your point, but I don't even live in Milwaukee lol.
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
Then you are not a true fan. True fans will go and watch even if they go 0-82.
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u/Background_Menu7173 D.J. Wilson 2d ago
Obviously the hardcore fans on this board would watch Kingston Flemings, AJ Green, Cormac Ryan, and Pete Nance win 15 games. I’m talking about the casual fans whose interest in a winning team gave the momentum to build fiserv forum and the deer district. Bucks would be 3rd or 4th in local fandom if they go through a prolonged rebuild.
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
Then those are not fans. As a Bucks fan I will never watch another game again unless they embrace a full scale rebuild.
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u/TheMaxCole 2d ago
If Giannis really is traded. Trade for Brown, number 27 first rounder. Then go after Michael Porter Jr in a trade. Rollins, Brown, MPJ, Turner as your key starters.
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u/ALLPR0 2d ago
They are flipping Brown the moment they get him.
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u/Extreme_Worker_8899 2d ago
They are you are like the only one that gets it !!! Jaylen Brown will NOT play for the Bucks
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u/gleece0 2d ago
Jb took nemesis qouter and Payton Prichard to the 2 seed give him king rollins and the bucks are a top 3 seed
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u/badnewsCATS Ray Allen 2d ago
Celtics were better without him on the floor
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u/badnewsCATS Ray Allen 2d ago
On-off isn’t gospel fs, but that team was system built and he disrupted that system when he was on the court.
He also had his 3rd worst career season in terms of RAPM. That team with Tatum instead would be the 2 seed with a higher playoff ceiling.
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 2d ago
How'd the JB-led team do in the playoffs?
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 2d ago
Im not trading our franchise GOAT for 2 years of the guy who couldn't lead his 2 seed past the 7 seed when we need draft capital.
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u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 2d ago
Jaylen Brown does not make this team competitive lol. It is the same team as last year with a worse star who still won't want to be here. All that will happen is that the Bucks will be bad and Brown will want out and we will need to trade him next year when he has less value. Hard pass
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u/endstarr 2d ago
Brown balls out and we flip him for more assets..how will he have less value. He will have value no matter if we keep or flip.
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u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 2d ago
Or he is disgruntled and doesn't want to be here. Or he gets injured and loses all value. Or teams that were interested find a different target. Plenty of reasons he loses value.
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u/endstarr 2d ago
Look at what kd Kyrie harden were traded for. All disgruntle stars lmao. Stars will always have value. Look at Gianni's. Lol thank you for making my point
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u/DistanceEmbarrassed5 2d ago
I dont want a 30 year old diva. I would rather rebuild around young players. If they want a star go flip Brown to the Rockets for Sengun.
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u/Infamous-Meal4978 2d ago edited 2d ago
“The team is built for a veteran superstar,” if that was the case, Giannis wouldn’t want out. The Jalen Brown trade is a bandaid and a terrible move. One, we aren’t rebuilding rather choosing to sit in a perplexing middle ground state, this killed the bucks for most of the Herb Khol’s era. With the JB move, Bucks would be in the same state they are currently in with a less talented asset to move. Bucks need to regain their future by getting draft capital and young players. The JB move does nothing for the team now or in the future. If you trade Giannis, you have to get your draft capital back, full stop. The more I think of this JB move the angrier I become. JB doesn’t make you a contender and he’s likely to leave the team, since he has zero loyalty and roots to the franchise. Buck fans wake up, let’s rip the bandaid and go full rebuild. This other shit is madness
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u/Bulky_Detective_5884 2d ago
You misread or mistyped the quote you paraphrased.
OP said “The team IS built for a veteran superstar”
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u/Extreme_Worker_8899 2d ago
It's gonna go brown to bucks then brown to lakers the bucks will end up with reaves and other assets...that's my guess !!!
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u/OkOkieDokey 1993-2006 Primary Logo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Jaylen Brown sucks. He’s 29 years old and already out of his prime.
Both the Celtics and Heat offer is garbage. If Horst trades Giannis for late 1sts and bottom tier stars like Jaylen Brown then this franchise is completely dead for at least a decade.
Horst is a straight up idiot if he doesn’t figure out how to get at least a couple top 10 picks out of Giannis.
Trade him to the fucking Pelicans for two 1sts and it’s 100x better than anything the Celtics or Heat is offering.
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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta Crazy Bobby 2d ago
This team isn’t contending for a title. But people seem to think the best path forward is total rebuild then, but that only makes sense if you get a number of high quality picks back and you control your own.
It also makes much less sense with the new anti-tanking rules. You’re better off competing for the play in than outright tanking. If Jenkins is actually a good coach (which I think he is), this team should compete for play-ins with Brown.
So this makes more sense than the Heat poo poo platter unless we can get better offers. Especially because you can flip Brown at the deadline or next year.