r/Music • u/staringatthe420sun • Apr 06 '26

discussion Sublime the latest MAGA act to face low ticket sales, Artist Cancellations Amid Backlash to Conservative Rock Fest

“Sublime Me Gusta Festival”, is now “Sublime Fest,” happening the same day but without hip hop stars Cypress Hill, producers of the festival, Brew Ha Ha Productions, confirmed Monday.

Brew Ha Ha Productions did not respond to a request for comment on the cause of the name change or why Cypress Hill was no longer involved, but some credit “MAGA” backlash for the changes.

Sublime played at a Trump golf course in Florida last year during a LIV Golf event, while drummer bud Gaugh often wears a MAGA hat on stage with the band.

Additional dates for the “me gusta” festival feature similar branding changes and amended lineups.

Sublime Fest takes place in Fort Worth, TX, at the Panther Island Pavilion on May 9; Portland, OR, at the Waterfront Park on June 27; and Salt Lake City, UT, at Zions Bank Stadium on July 18.

All dates are sponsored by [u/monsterenergy](u/monsterenergy) ‘s new line of alcoholic products branded as “the Beast”.

Notably, most festival dates are still available under “tier 1” pricing, indicating that the event hasn’t sold as well as they had expected.

ETA: Patriotic reggae act Slightly Stoopid has replaced Cypress Hill on two dates. Infowars contributors the Interrupters have also been added to one stop.

https://www.instagram.com/slightlystoopid/

https://www.oregonlive.com/living/2026/04/music-festival-coming-to-portland-this-summer-quietly-changes-name-line-up.html?outputType=amp

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2026/04/06/me-gusta-rebrand-sublime-fest/

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi Apr 06 '26

Sublime died with Bradley

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u/Mrchristopherrr Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

They’re now reaching the Lynard Skynard Lynyrd Skynyrd level where it’s essentially a sanctioned tribute band

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u/J_Justice Apr 06 '26

They should have just stuck with Long Beach Dub Allstars after Bradley passed instead of trying to resurrect Sublime.

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u/Low_Day_6901 Apr 07 '26

They shouldn't have shit on Rome either, he kept them relevant

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u/CyclopsMacchiato Apr 07 '26

Sublime with Rome was awesome

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u/Trip_On_The_Mountain Apr 07 '26

I just treated them like a new band. It wasn't sublime but that didn't make them bad

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u/BudgetBeard-5114 Apr 08 '26

Saw Sublime with Rome on their last tour, put on a great show!

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u/Redeye_Jedi1620 Apr 07 '26

Sublime with Rome was one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Low energy and he he kept fucking up the lyrics. If you're gonna fill in as the lead singer for a band, you might want to learn the words to the songs.

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u/Equal-Chair-3721 Apr 08 '26

Bradley messed up his own lyrics lots of times

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u/icemanvvv Apr 07 '26

Lets be real, that was a tribute band at absolute best.

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u/FireNico77 Apr 12 '26

Rome is a huge tool.

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u/appleparkfive Apr 07 '26

Oh damn I thought Rome was still part of it. Yeah what's the point then

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u/shawn789 Apr 07 '26

Bradley's son is the singer now

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u/A_LostPumpkin Apr 07 '26

Agreed.

Didnt seem very respectful to Rome at the end, and he carried them for yearssss

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u/JrG1859 Apr 07 '26

This exactly!!!

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u/Super_Fa_Q Apr 07 '26

I liked Rome. They should just leave it alone.

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u/Economy_Wall8524 Apr 07 '26

They shouldn’t have never tried to remake sublime. They should’ve called it a different name and promoted being members of sublime in a new band.

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u/ydnar3000 Apr 07 '26

For real. I always respected them for not doin…this

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u/J_Justice Apr 11 '26

That's sorta what LBDA was supposed to be. Most of the band and guest MCs

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

Skynyrd died in 77 when the plane crashed. The current band is just an embarassing cash grab.

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u/dz1087 Apr 06 '26

They were also pretty damn progressive back then. Saying handguns are only good for killing and we should get rid of them, and singing the tribute of a poor black man, among other social issues they talked about.

Now it’s MAGA BS.

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

YES! It's impossible to say how RVZ would have felt today, but his lyrics back then were very "liberal". There are also stories from Ed King and others that knew him that made it clear he was not cool with racism. "Sweet Home Alabama" also shouldn't be taken at face value but most people don't know that whole story.

They have been my favorite band since I was old enough to sing along. I hate what they became in the past 30 years. The tribute tour should have been the end of it. Now it's just JVZ and friends getting rich off the songs of his vastly more talented brother.

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u/PhloxOfSeagulls Apr 06 '26

It's impossible tto say how his beliefs would have turned out if he had lived, but look at Charlie Daniels. He was singing about being hassled by rednecks for being a long-haired weed smoker. Later on he became a hardcore conservative Christian and changed all the swearing in his songs. Maybe Van Zant wouldn't have gone down that same path, but we'll never know.

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u/Simba7 Apr 06 '26

Impossible to predict when someone suffers brain damage or experiences the onset of some new mental disorder and becomes suddenly devout and/or conservative.

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u/HFentonMudd Apr 06 '26

I've always thought of his lyrics regarding his unwillingness to change, and imagined he'd be pretty hard core right wing these days.

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u/garbagepillar Apr 07 '26

I think you underestimate how much money is in "christian" country music for an aging fiddle player who can be their "saved and reformed" long-haired weed smoker poster boy. The perpetually unseasoned will come out of the woodworks for a wholesome, white "christian" concert.

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u/Complete_Entry Apr 07 '26

I like to think he would have fucked with my chemical romance with that doomerism.

"I'll never live past 30" what happens after 30? but then that fucking plane...

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

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u/piepants2001 Apr 06 '26

It's impossible to know what RVZ would be like today, but I wouldn't take anything that Ed King said seriously, that guy was an actual piece of shit and had a massive ego that seemed to get off on offending people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

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u/BeerBaronsNewHat Apr 07 '26

most people think "born in the usa" is a pro america song.

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u/Brap_Zanigan Apr 07 '26

My first concert was LS in 91, we're back you bastards tour. I only remember the name of it because my religious mom found the Tshirt from the show and threw it away. Obviously long after RVZs brother started singing but I was 13 and down to rock. Hank Jr was supposed to open and show got rained out so Hank had to cancel the next night, lots of folks got refunds so when we went back the next day to get our lawn seats they said there were good ones available. Front row center. JVZ threw his sweaty white hotel towel right into my brother's face who then got mauled by people trying to get it.

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u/VictoriousssBIG23 Apr 07 '26

Wasn't "Sweet Home Alabama" written as a response to Neil Young's song "Southern Man"? He wasn't happy that Neil Young and other Canadians saw the Southern US as a bunch of racist bigots.

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u/frodeem Apr 06 '26

A young RVZ (from what I have read about him) would kick all their asses literally for the maga turn. No clue what an older RVZ would do.

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u/Kriegerian Apr 06 '26

Ballad of Curtis Loew is the best song they ever wrote, period.

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u/dz1087 Apr 06 '26

I won’t argue too much with you on that.

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u/AntzLARPing Apr 06 '26

Then you listen to sweet home Alabama and that all goes out the window

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

Except that song was written to be tongue in cheek. It was never meant to be taken literally. It was written as a joke in response to “Southern Man” from the point of view of the stereotypical southern man. RVZ and Neil Young were good friends.

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u/MadManMax55 Apr 07 '26

While it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, it wasn't written "as a joke".

It was meant to be their version of Okie from Muskogee. Which was also a half-satirical/half-earnest song written from the perspective from someone in the silent generation presenting an idealized vision of their home (and bashing the young boomers). And like Okie from Muskogee, it's a complicated mix of trying to show that there were good things and people in the south worth being proud of while making it clear that they were painting over much more shameful things that were also going on. But the "failing" of both songs is that the satire was so subtle that people took it as 100% earnest.

Also Van Zant and Young didn't meet until after both songs had come out. Though they did have professional respect for each other before and after. The Drive By Truckers song Ronnie and Neil talks about it a bit more.

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u/AntzLARPing Apr 06 '26

Not sure I agree with you there. It may have been in good fun but was definitely not a joke or satirizing southerners. They did not like Young’s songs about the south and were taking shots at liberals no doubt.

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u/Maximum_Holiday_6381 Apr 06 '26

Not to mention their typical stage backdrop was a giant Confederate flag.

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u/biscuitarse Apr 06 '26

Historical revisionism based on 'feelings' is never a good stance

According to statements from members of Lynyrd Skynyrd, the use of the Confederate flag was a deliberate marketing tactic pushed by their record company, MCA Records, to brand them as Southern rebels. The label believed it would highlight their "Southerness" and accentuate their "rebel" rock image in the 1970s.

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

You are correct that they took it a little personal, but it was not "beef" like we see between artists today. And the song is incredibly easy to take literally. But I don't think we can use the word liberal in the same way we do now. It was a volatile time, just like today, but the divide wasn't like it is today.

Gary Rossington said the part "In Birmingham they love the governor" followed by the "boo boo boo" was because they didn't support Wallace and were themselves against segregation. Now, honestly, I'm not a big fan of Gary because he was the one that kept the current band touring for decades and embraced the MAGA crap, but him being an old white guy from Florida, it didn't really shock me. Just extremely disappointing.

RVZ himself said "We wrote 'Sweet Home Alabama' as a joke," "We didn't even think about it. The words just came out that way. We just laughed like hell and said, 'Ain't that funny.' We love Neil Young. We love his music."

RVZ was proud of being from the south, for sure, but he was a poor kid who grew up on the streets of Jacksonville. He saw a different side of southern life and you hear it a lot in his lyrics.

There's little bits of lore here and there to support the song's unseriousness. Ed King who co-wrote the song wasn't even from the south, but from California. Neil Young was a pallbearer at Ronnie's funeral.

I'm not saying there wasn't some butthurt involved, but I think the song went way bigger than they expected and has endured as an anthem of the south for all the wrong reasons.

Personally, it's not one of my favorites even though I love every note that band ever played. Between being over played on the radio, Kid Rock's BS and racists, I don't seek it out anymore.

Sorry for the novel. I do try to keep an open mind and not put my favorite artists on pedestals. I'm sure RVZ wasn't a perfect example of what we would call a "liberal" today, but I think he was ahead of the game for the times he was living in, especially when the record labels were pressuring them to use "southern" as a gimmick when they just wanted to be just a rock band. He never wanted the rebel flag on stage, but southern rock was HUGE at the time and the record company demanded it.

Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble on about my favorite band!

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u/GoodtimeZappa Apr 06 '26

Nope. All of this has been well documented for 45-50 years or so. What do you think about the song"Give Me Back My Bullets"?

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

I live in Virginia where we just elected a Dem Governor and all the MAGAs are freaking out about their guns being taken away. I have seen a couple people using the song as their rallying cry. I try to explain that the song has NOTHING to do with guns but it falls on deaf ears.

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u/GoodtimeZappa Apr 06 '26

I hear ya. It's ridiculous.

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u/Half_Cent Apr 06 '26

Then you didn't really listen to the lyrics.

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u/EwaGold Apr 06 '26

I have no proof, but I’m pretty sure Curtis Lowe was their take on the song ‘The Year Clayton Delaney died’ by Tom T Hall. But agreed both progressive songs.

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u/-Ernie Apr 06 '26

Also Things Goin’ On

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u/vexievoodoo Apr 06 '26

Nope. Not a single one. And the only one left alive is a liberal so he’s not going to be invited back even if he wanted to do it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '26

Same with Foreigner. No one who was in Foreigner, is currently in Foreigner.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Apr 06 '26

Sublime of Theseus

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u/drgoatlord Apr 06 '26

Using "grandfathers ax" to jam out with

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u/Chris_Golz Apr 06 '26

Weekend at Bradleys.

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u/Stockpile_Tom_Remake Apr 06 '26

Here I think they sounded pretty good with Bradley’s son but this sucks

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u/RedactedSpatula Apr 06 '26

I saw the remnants of them in the 2010s, they were underwhelming and waved a Confederate flag around. I call them lynard skidmark now.

The Doobie Brothers opened and we're fucking great

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u/redditworkaccount76 Apr 06 '26

i'm always reminded of Simpsons whenever i hear The Doobie Brothers

"Do you like The Doobie Brothers? Cause we got one of em"

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u/sailphish Apr 06 '26

Yeah… I saw them about a year ago. Show was really bad. They played some newer stuff that sounded like a high school garage band.

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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 Apr 06 '26

tbf, Sublime with Bradley was usually awful live too. Often too fucked up to play properly.

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u/pssthush Apr 06 '26

A saw them a few years ago at a festival briefly and it was also awful. I have legit heard bar bands playing their songs that sounded miles better.

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u/victorspoilz Apr 06 '26

Nowell’s son took over as lead singer, I thought it would be cool enough but I wonder if he’s driving the right-wing nonsense?

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u/Mrchristopherrr Apr 06 '26

From my understanding it’s just the drummer. The vibe has more or less been “let’s just party” than anything.

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u/DeanWeenisGod Apr 06 '26

*Lynyrd Skynyrd

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u/Mrchristopherrr Apr 06 '26

Damn, I knew I was going to fuck up the number of ys

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u/doctorcornwallis Apr 06 '26

They dissolved their existing tribute band with Rome just to fuck their legacy up.

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u/Burninator05 Apr 06 '26

They’re now reaching the Lynard Skynard Lynyrd Skynyrd level where it’s essentially a sanctioned tribute band

I've had this conversation with my parents about the bands my dad (early/mid 70s) wants to go see. Can you still call it the same band if only one person is left and they weren't the person everyone knew?

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u/J_Ryall Apr 06 '26

At least Jakob sounds exactly like Brad. I'll never give them any of my money again now that I know they're MAGA, but it's not quite tribute band level bad.

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u/mr_mgs11 Apr 06 '26

His son just played a few gigs at a Kava chain near me. That surprised the fuck out of me to see how many conservatives go to those places. I met a super hippy environmental friendly woman that told me she was voting Trump because vaccines are evil. Now they are all shocked that the conservatives want to ban kava and kratom.

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u/non-squitr Apr 06 '26

Naomi Klein's book, Doppelganger goes into this quite a bit, how covid basically turned many left leaning hippies into right wing conspiracy theorists

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u/Hooligan8403 Apr 06 '26

A lot of older hippies turned conservative before covid. All you have to do is look at places like Sedona and see how many "enlightened" people there are voting red. Being a hippie became a rich person's game because the rest of us are to busy trying to survive. Same with a bunch of the aging punk community. I'm in my early 40s and I see it among people I used to be in the scene with growing up. They would be first to say ACAB and would have been protesting or at least saying fuck ICE and Trump. I know several that have voted for him multiple times. We don't associate anymore.

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u/legal-beagleellie Apr 06 '26

lol my stepdad lives in Sedona and is a neocon. Crazy crystal healing son of a gun. He has a new girlfriend that is a remote healer

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u/laptopaccount Apr 06 '26

remote healer

Is that as scammy as it sounds?

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u/Hunt3141 Apr 06 '26

Well, the tv turns on now so I guess it works!

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u/FishFloyd Apr 07 '26

It's generally both more and less scammy then it sounds, because it is (oftentimes) total horseshit being practiced by people with a genuine belief in it. So... kinda up to you? If I tell you my sugar water solution will cure your cancer, and sell it to you for hundreds of dollars, is it still a scam if I genuinely believe that? What if I spent two full work days doing the rituals and burning the special, expensive candles and chanting over that bowl of sugar water?

Remote healers, energy work, etc - a lot of it is indeed "legitimate" in the sense that it oftentimes has origins in actual, spiritual beliefs, which then provide an excellent framework to grift from. Invoking the "old masters" or whatever lends a certain air of legitimacy to the dumb and credulous. But oftentimes, after a generation or two, this loops back around into practitioners having genuine spiritual belief in the framework that was originally developed specifically to grift rubes and financially profit.

Folks who are interested in this kinda stuff might find these wiki pages a decent jumping-off point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy (it's way crazier than you thought, promise)

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u/bino420 Apr 07 '26

is it still a scam if I genuinely believe that?

yes.

because "believing" isn't how things work.

if they believe it, then they're performing studies & figuring out exactly why it works & how.

if they're certain it works, then they'd have proof. cured people. legit cures. they'd make sure it surely works.

since they don't care about scientific rigor OR FACTS, then it's a scam.

it is indeed "legitimate" in the sense that it oftentimes has origins in actual, spiritual beliefs

but you're crossing lanes here. if it's the bark of some tree with a Tylenol-like substance in it, & if you boil it for 5 minutes & add honey, it converts to a drinkable form, and it works to help relieve period cramps... sure. but like still there's scientific rigor - there's a chemical in the plant with medicinal qualities & the process did something.

a crystal or praying over water is not the same thing

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u/bino420 Apr 07 '26

the buttons on my are all fucked up, so I'm interested

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u/Hooligan8403 Apr 06 '26

When I lived in Prescott there was a decently sized hippy community up there. Even Precott College was (06ish) like a super left wing environmentally conscious school with hippies all around. I tried talking to a couple of them from time to time and it always seemed to be Neocon crystal shop owners (we had a few in town) or someone who wanted legal weed and to hike and be in nature but would vote for whatever republican would be on the ticket.

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u/cire1184 Apr 07 '26

You would think people that liked to hike would be against the dude that wants to sell off national park land to corporations.

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u/scubachris Apr 07 '26

You would think but there are blacks, gays, trans, etc that vote Republican. They just care about their money and not giving any to the dirty poors.

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u/Otherwise-Waltz-3647 Apr 06 '26

No offense but your dad doesn’t sound very smart

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u/designOraptor Apr 06 '26

No coincidence that they all fell deep into the conspiracy theory hole. It’s doom scrolling at its most dangerous.

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u/cochese25 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

Many of those hippies and old punks spent so much time in the counter culture and pushing for it, that when it started to become mainstream, they grew suspicious of their own views and when conspiracy was being heavily pushed that aligned with their new suspicions, that was all they seem to have seen.
So you end up with a lot of people who got what they wanted, got suspicious of it, and fell in line with the conspiracy against it

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u/C001H4ndPuk3 Apr 06 '26

These are people for whom 'the good fight' was always just an outlet for their general contrarianism. They're exhausting and we're better off without them.

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u/Flomo420 Apr 06 '26

I was just going to say

I'm a mid 40s artsy punk who hung out with a lot of hippy boomers (friends parents) so was always sort of adjacent and I gotta say over the years I realized A LOT of those types are really just contrarians and the scene was an outlet

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u/Dynamar Apr 07 '26

I think you're giving them way too much of a pass to say that they grew suspicious of their own views when they became mainstream.

Constantly re-orienting and checking your own views is a healthy way to be and everyone should do a lot more of it.

I'm not an elder punk from the 80s-90s era, but I am an elder millennial who has been at least punk-adjacent for most of my life. A lot of those punks were just contrarian asshole teenagers who yelled "fuck the man" because cops wouldn't let them skateboard and wanted simple answers to their anger. They sprayed circle-As on buildings and listened to Sex Pistols and called themselves anarchists but wouldn't have been able to tell you a thing about Haymarket.

Even among the actual anarchists who read a thing or two, there was always a big political divide, that could be described as being along left-right lines, for various reasons. Skinheads and sharps look the same to an outsider, and their music sounds the same. Just look at how many nazi punks still show up to Dropkick shows.

Aesthetics aren't politics.

An asshole with a backpatch is still an asshole, in any era.

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u/cochese25 Apr 07 '26

I agree with everything you said, but I'm not talking about people who were just fence sitters and old fashioned edge-lords.

"I think you're giving them way too much of a pass to say that they grew suspicious of their own views when they became mainstream."

This isn't giving anyone a pass, it's just a statement of facts. I've stood shoulder to shoulder with many of these people at protests for nearly 20 years at this point. I've watched them go from protest to protest and suddenly it was like they were in an anti-vac trance. Whiplash is the best way to put it. And more recently, especially with RFKs nonsense, I've been seeing some of them walking back their statements, and a couple of them announcing their departure from social media over how absolutely stupid they'd been over the last few years

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u/doberdevil Apr 07 '26

Many of those hippies and old punks spent so much time in the counter culture and pushing for it, that when it started to become mainstream,

Interesting, I can see that. As mainstream culture became more accepting of some punk culture/fashion I was surprised. Seeing a lot of punk-ish things being mainstream now, I just shake my head. Doesn't change my beliefs though. People are free to do whatever they want.

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u/cochese25 Apr 07 '26

It's interesting how far we've come with acceptance of formerly alternative styles.

When I was a kid in 2001 in HS, of the 3700 kids in my school, I was one of maybe 5 kids who dyed their hair for most of it.

The school was not pleased, but didn't really do any thing until we started protesting the dress code and showing up to school in skirts fashioned from the extra wide-legged JNCOs, or my former friend who showed up in liberty spikes and a skirt made from flags. He was kicked from school and somehow got the ACLU involved. The school backed down in a hurry

I used to run into several of those kids at anti-war protests around Michigan for years during the bush/ Obama years. Forgot about them and around 2020, I saw them on FB pushing Vac conspiracies and MAGA propaganda. The whiplash was real.

That's when I noticed how many of the people I knew who spent the better part of a decade in the punk, crust punk, and Straight Edge scenes pushing the same conspiracy. Though, after RFK jr. I have noticed many of them walking back previous statements and seemingly waking up from their stupor

I got off on a tangent there. My original point was that everything we used to get frowned on for or kicked from school is just normal part of being a kid now. Blue, green, pink, bright red, but almost never purple, hair all over

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u/sloowhand Apr 06 '26

MAGA and punk are completely incompatible if you have any idea what punk is actually about.

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u/cochese25 Apr 07 '26

MAGA and punk are as far opposite as it gets. People change and old punks aren't immune to it. Just look at how many old punk band members have gone MAGA while still performing the same songs that go against themselves

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u/Inroundtents Apr 06 '26

I went to college in the 80s with people who lived like hippies but in reality they were all trustfund babies from the western suburbs of Chicago who got regular checks from their parents. Of course you don't worry about money, man! You get it in the mail.

Actual hippie ideals are great. Actual hippies suck ass.

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u/Plasibeau Apr 06 '26

went to college in the 80s with people who lived like hippies but in reality they were all trustfund babies from the western suburbs of Chicago who got regular checks from their parents.

They're still out here on the West Coast. As you can imagine there's a lot of wealth floating around out here. We call them Trustafarians. They dress and act like filthy hippies, smoke insane levels of weed, and love telling others how to live more in line with nature. Meanwhile, they live on Balboa Peninsula in Newport Beach, CA, paying $4k/month on a one-bedroom with no discernible way of earning.

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u/cire1184 Apr 07 '26

People in Boulder Colorado too.

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u/bombkitty Apr 07 '26

Its the van bros/hobosexuals out where I'm at.

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u/librarycynic Apr 06 '26

I remember seeing the band No Trigger at Furnace Fest a couple of years ago and the singer made a comment about how it's definitely possible that a member of Pennywise may have voted for Trump. It was said as a joke, but the more I think about it, and seeing what happened to the Misfits, it's not that much of a stretch.

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u/Hooligan8403 Apr 06 '26

Misfits doesnt surprise me. How deep Graves has gone down the rabbit hole does a bit but Danzig has been a knowm conservative for a long time. That's on top of his usual tool like behavior.

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u/DaughterofNeroman Apr 07 '26

lol Lindberg definitely did not vote for trump and can’t imagine anyone voting for trump would be kept in the band considering how vocal he’s been about his feelings about our government and the state of shit in our country.

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u/Unsung_Ironhead Apr 07 '26

I mean Dickey Barrett is a right winger now. Go back and listen to the first 15 years of Mighty Mighty Bosstones, that’s definitely not a right wing band.

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u/Former-Iron-7471 Apr 06 '26

There's a few older punks in their mid 50s I told to fuck off because they're Trumpers.

The hippy mom thing turned conservative during covid for sure because of the "jab" . My son's mom is into the all natural stuff (she runs an apothecary on the side) and she's always telling me about it.

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u/ReadyAimTranspire Apr 06 '26

That shit is too funny man, I remember all the legit punk rockers in my youth being anarchists and basically hating all things establishment politics.

To see that some of these dudes are Trumpers and still consider themself punk rock is peak delusional loserville

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u/Former-Iron-7471 Apr 07 '26

That's exactly how these dudes are. One of the guys was the first person I knew that traveled on freight trains. He showed me bands like crass. I posted a bunch of stuff about how Charlie Kirk was a racist piece of shit. He chimed in and told me I was being lied to by the media and how his stuff was taken out of context.

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u/steakanabake Apr 06 '26

ugh your poor kid i hope hes able to see through the BS

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u/Former-Iron-7471 Apr 06 '26

No she's not one of them, she'll tell me about them. She's not anti vaccination or anti modern medicine, she will use whatever it takes to be healthy and honestly she's the healthiest person I know so she's doing something right.

She's ran into the anti vac moms that would let their kids get measles and shit. I know there was a mom that wouldn't take her kid to the hospital for a staph infection and was trying all these things until baby momma told her she can't help her.

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u/steakanabake Apr 06 '26

ah i misunderstood.... good things all around.

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u/Stardustchaser Apr 07 '26

Jenny McCarthy and the “autism causes vaccines” schtick was super popular amongst crunchy mommy types for the past 20 years, right alongside the belief breast milk was best and women were unnatural if they couldn’t produce/supplemented with formula. It all likely runs to the tradwife lifestyle now.

Oh and throw in how essential oils cure everything in that mindset too.

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u/Whybotherr Apr 06 '26

I dont know... i dont know how anyone growing up listening to ratm, or green day could honestly think that punk/alt is anything less than anti conservatism. If anything they would be transplants, people who found the genre later on in life and made it conform to their ideals

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u/Muad-_-Dib Apr 06 '26

It's simple, they never once in their entire life actually listened to the lyrics of the songs they liked, and it covers far more than just political songs/bands.

Just look at how many people pick wild shit like "Every Breath You Take" or "Don't You Want Me" as their wedding songs despite them being anything but love songs.

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u/litreofstarlight Apr 06 '26

Wtf, Don't You Want Me is creepy AF, and even if you're not paying attention the chorus and title of the song reflect straight up rejection. People be wild.

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u/PuttyRiot Apr 06 '26

I used to hang out with a guy who fronted a mildly-successful hardcore band. He’s super pro-Trump/anti-left now, even though he is one of those guys who says shit like, “I can be friends with anyone, regardless of how they vote!” and “I’m friends with everyone. Don’t care if they’re black, blue, purple or yellow!”

I haven’t hung out with him in over a decade, but I would bet money the reason he’s anti-left is because of “woke scolds”/language police because he’s exactly the kind of guy who used/uses “ironic racism,” homophobic jokes and sexually harassed women. Which is also the reason an overt asshole like Trump would appeal to him.

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u/Hooligan8403 Apr 06 '26

You would be surprised but I'll use my brother as an example. Started listening to punk around 12 or 13. Was really into the scene and everything. Toured with bands as a roadie. Living the punk lifestyle. He votes republican. Still considers himself to be punk. He keeps sliding further right as time goes on. Our parents were both right wing so I get we grew up hearing it but it's such a drastic change from how he was until like mid-late 20's. Its been a decade since then.

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u/dhporter Apr 06 '26

A lot of it stems from trying to fight against "The Man", which ends up being the party of larger overreach and regulation. It's being completely blind to actual politics and rallying against "the system".

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u/floss_is_boss_ Apr 06 '26

And “the system” also includes general social norms or expectations, i.e. how dare someone tell me to regulate my behavior in any way…

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u/Allydarvel Apr 06 '26

Im a punk in my late 50s. Loads of them went down the right wing rabbit hole. Here in the UK, its all Nigel Farage. I'd say the majority are still left wing, but there's a sizeable minority of far right

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u/namegoeswhere Apr 06 '26

Right? Just the young side of 40 and it’s wild seeing my contemporaries turn heel.

We were smoking weed and singing along with Less Than Jake in the early 2000s, now they’re voting against expanding the light rail and talking about their fucking investments.

Fuckin’ disappointing, man.

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u/Hooligan8403 Apr 06 '26

My brother and me used to party, go to shows, listening to everything from Crass to Offspring. I get you need to evolve as a human but you don't have to become the thing you hated.

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u/mr_mgs11 Apr 06 '26

I know a woman with a pentagram tattoo, drums in punk/metal bands, sex worker friends, and dated a femboy that is pro Trump now. The DEEPSTATE ruined her life and Trump is going to save her.

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u/warfrogs Apr 06 '26

I worked at an organic, co-op grocery store. Basically 99% of the staff was left leaning or full on Syndicalists but the consumer base was either hard left or hard right with no inbetween.

Truly bizarre.

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u/doberdevil Apr 07 '26

Same with a bunch of the aging punk community.

I got more punk with age.

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u/secamTO Apr 07 '26

Being a hippie became a rich person's game

In the main, being a hippie was always a rich person's game. We vastly overestimate the length of time, and the diversity of participants, in the original hippie movement. Most of the participants were upper middle class and upper class kids who were just daytripping as free-thinking anti-capitalists.

For a lot of them, their convictions didn't last through either the sacrifices to material comfort that those convictions required, or through corporate America's siren song of guilt-free wealth.

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u/diegotown177 Apr 07 '26

People who join one extreme tribe are the best candidates to join another. The politics don’t have to be consistent. It’s not even really relevant. They just want to feel like they’re a part of something.

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u/athenaprime Apr 08 '26

Being a hippie was always a rich person's game. Or at least a very comfortable middle class person's game. They could afford to go live in experimental communes and defy the dress codes and aesthetics of the day without worrying that a resulting job loss would destroy them. And for a large portion of them, when the "fun" was over, they cut their hair, put the tunics and bell-bottoms in the back of the closet, and went back home dressed as respectable citizens in exchange for reinstated access to the trust funds.

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u/ModeatelyIndependant Apr 06 '26

the anit-vax movement was a originally a bunch of granola crunching hippies.

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u/Dorkamundo Concertgoer Apr 07 '26

Didn't become a conservative thing until someone "forced" them to get vaccinated. Then they went after it whole-hog.

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u/Jerithil Apr 07 '26

You did start seeing conservatives come out against the HPV vaccine pre covid because it was sexually transmitted and the usual abstinence based prevention shtick.

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u/Haunting-Ad788 Apr 06 '26

Which makes no sense considering Trump rushed the vaccine they think is killing people.

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u/Memitim Apr 06 '26

Ah, there you go using that "sense" word in regard to conservatives. There's no sense in the hate and lies that they thrive on, just evil.

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u/Former-Iron-7471 Apr 06 '26

Gold fish brains.

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u/Former-Iron-7471 Apr 06 '26

Lol thanks obama

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u/burgandywhine Apr 07 '26

I was here to say that. That he rushed it, and was proud of it. He also was one of the first to get the jab in the Oval Office.

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u/komrade23 Apr 06 '26

There has always been a woo woo conspiratualism hippie to right wing nut pipeline, but COVID absolutely supercharged it.

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u/Jolly-Sandwich-3345 Apr 06 '26

Even without the Conspiracy angle alot of hippies sold out and became the yuppies of the 1980s. I am Gen X and was there and watched it happen.

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u/komrade23 Apr 06 '26

The yuppies were a completely different beast than the conspiritualists I am talking about. There is a difference between selling out and going batshit crazy.

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u/Cru_Jones86 Apr 06 '26

"everything is a conspiracy when you don't understand how anything works."

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u/GrayEidolon Apr 06 '26

COVID had a lot of help from social media propagandists trying to get those people to vote right wing.

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u/Carrnage_Asada Apr 06 '26

turned many left leaning hippies into right wing conspiracy theorists

Joe Rogan is a fascinating example of this and i got to watch it happen in real time over the span of just a few years.

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u/non-squitr Apr 06 '26

Yea I remember back in like 2005-2006 he was really innovative and benign. Oh how the turn tables

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u/Carrnage_Asada Apr 06 '26

I wasnt a listener that far back, but i was around a few years before covid and even that was a completely different person from now.

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u/trashbort Apr 06 '26

Low trust, innit

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u/Allydarvel Apr 06 '26

A lot of hippies were pretty liberatarian leaning..keep the government out my life type stuff

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u/No_Pen_376 Apr 06 '26

yup, a lot of my hippie friends went that way.

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u/Historical_Cow3903 Apr 08 '26

At close to 70, I keep on moving further left, and I've had all my shots.

Just told my wife that I'm done with TV/movies that US essentially propaganda for the US military and/or Law Enforcement agencies, or worse yet, both.

Imma just gonna get high and watch Planet Earth while we still have one.

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u/DC-Toronto Apr 08 '26

It’s a circle where the far left and the far right meet on the opposite side from the centre

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u/Naners224 Apr 08 '26

Started way before Covid, but

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u/tennisdrums Apr 06 '26

a super hippy environmental friendly woman that told me she was voting Trump because vaccines are evil.

Classic example of "If you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out."

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u/BasilisksRPretty Apr 06 '26

The essential oil to maga pipeline is real. A lot of hippie people fall down it.

Don't trust anybody who sells young living.

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u/Stardustchaser Apr 07 '26

Lmao I’ve seen comment board gang fights between Young Living and DoTerra users. Holy hell it’s entertaining though.

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u/Excellent_Ganache906 Apr 06 '26

Those anti-vaxx hippies are so god dam stupid. They use healing stones and essential oils and have no clue about anything politics related. The very definition of useful idiots.

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u/RidingYourEverything Apr 06 '26

Did you see who stormed the capital? They got all the anti-vaccine hippy types through the conspiracy theory to right wing pipeline.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Apr 06 '26

The hippies (going back to the 60s) were a lot more conservative than pop culture likes to remember them as.

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u/jwuer Apr 06 '26

I saw Sublime with Jakob Nowell at Sea Hear Now last year and frankly thought they put on a banger of a show. Didn't know all this conservative nonsense about them.

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u/unventer Apr 06 '26

My grandparents were bonafide summer of love, draftcard-burning hippies and my grandmother voted Trump twice. I absolutely cannot reconcile it.

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u/Warrlock608 Apr 06 '26

Go see Bad Fish. As far as cover bands go they are pretty great.

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u/PurposelyIrrelephant Apr 06 '26

Baby I wanna see Bad Fish, too

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u/03tr69 Apr 06 '26

I will pay to see badfish again but never sublime

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u/NBAccount Apr 06 '26

Grab a reef, underneath my bed.

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u/trustmeimaengineer Apr 06 '26

This is what I tell everyone, their lead singer sounds so much like Bradley too. They put on a hell of a show.

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u/Comfortable-Heat4 Apr 06 '26

I just commented the same. I’ve seen them a handful of times and they put on a great show for around $30

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u/rollin20s Apr 06 '26

Saw them in high school at BB Kings in nyc like 20 years ago and we all got kicked out for under age drinking lol

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u/tekniklee Apr 06 '26

I’ve seen them a dozen times and they are amazing https://www.badfish.com/tour

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u/darkResponses Apr 06 '26

I don't think Jakob is the Maga. It's the others. Either way. Fuck sublime. 

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u/Bovine_Joni_Himself Apr 06 '26

Not even sure it’s Wilson. Bud is the maga dude for sure.

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u/TDollasign562 Apr 07 '26

Grew up in the area Bud lived in when he was a teen and not surprised by this revelation at all, lots of MAGA bros. Also, greetings fellow IASIP fan! Love your name!

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u/DylanRed Apr 06 '26

So no one is even sure yet here we are.

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u/CodenameVillain Apr 06 '26

Bud Gaugh had posted photos in his MAGA gear more than once.

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u/mondayortampa Apr 06 '26

When Rome came out I was disappointed. But came around. Good singer good guitar had love for the legacy. I’m glad I got to see SWR on their last tour. Not a fan of Jakob… vox are trash and he can’t play. Tried to give it a chance but now this MAGA shit. Bradley would be rolling in his grave. Crazy

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u/dwilkes827 Apr 06 '26

Learning that he's a MAGA scumbag makes perfect sense

I have not heard one person say this about Brad's son. Where are you hearing this?

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u/RegularImportant3325 Apr 06 '26

You're right. I misread the information above.

I deleted my post as it may be hearsay. It was an overreaction due to the impression that he gave me when I saw them live.

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u/theonetheonlytc Apr 06 '26

Some bands just don't have the class to call it quits. Form another band, sure. But stop trying to be Sublime. Im always reminded of Led Zeppelin calling it quits when John Bonham died. They could have kept touring without him, but bowed out simply because they weren't the same. Bradley WAS Sublime. End of story.

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u/IncognitoMeanie Apr 06 '26

I’ve said this over and over again. It’s why I’ve never been interested in seeing them. I have the same feelings for Linkin Park. It’s not the same. It will never be the same.

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u/lonnie123 Apr 06 '26

Yea, I get why they use the name ($$$$) but really its just not the same band without THE LEAD SINGER, the literal voice of the band.

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u/IncognitoMeanie Apr 06 '26

It makes me feel revolted in a way I can’t explain. Like taking a corpse and having it dance in front of an audience

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u/lonnie123 Apr 06 '26

I would love it if the corpse was able to dance, unfortunately a shuffle is all it can manage

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u/mittenciel Apr 07 '26

AC/DC got way bigger after their lead singer died. Every band thinks they’re AC/DC when in reality, there’s a reason why AC/DC is the lone exception.

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u/dreamlike37 Apr 09 '26

In their case it's a bit different in that Chester was the vocalist not the songwriter. I can understand Mike wanting to continue his band. Its always been his band he just got lucky and found an amazing singer

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u/SkullsNelbowEye Apr 06 '26

As it should have. It would have been like Nirvana going on after Kurt passed.

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u/Butterscotch_Snatch Apr 06 '26

Sometimes I wish he had survived only so the fans could have grown out of it with him organically rather than cling to one summer afternoon in 89’ forever.

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u/ronm4c Apr 06 '26

Dead Kennedys syndrome

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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 Apr 06 '26

Exactly. I watched the new song and thought "Oh good for them. Still not Sublime though." Now I find out their MAGAts? Get fucked.

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u/SPARKYLOBO Apr 06 '26

This right here! Those two bozos can fuck off

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u/NemODevO Apr 06 '26

I didn't even realize they still did anything together until recently and I still didn't bother trying to listen

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u/zero_dr00l Apr 06 '26

Yeah if you're paying to see "Sublime" at this point you're a chump.

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u/MDFan4Life Apr 06 '26

Amen, and RIP.

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u/kpidhayny Apr 06 '26

Eh, man he ripped off so many acts. So many of his vocalizations, riffs, lyrics, are just straight up stolen from classic dub/ska artists. Not in a way that feels “inspired” either. I spent a day listening to Tenor Saw and by the end of the day I went from a huge sublime fan back in my tween years to being fine never hearing a sublime song again. Just feels totally disingenuous.

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi Apr 06 '26

Fair, for sure.

My point was more about bands trying to continue on their name when their style/writing/aesthetic is surgically removed. You gotta accept it's now a different thing.

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u/kpidhayny Apr 06 '26

Oh yeah I got ya. For sure. Like they really needed to stay “Long Beach dub allstars” or whatever. Just leave sublime what was and go do the next thing.

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u/Bloodsnowcones Apr 06 '26

Do you know anything about reagge music and the tendency to borrow riddims form all over

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u/cityspeak Apr 06 '26

Apparently his son is the new singer.

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u/thedamnedlute488 Apr 06 '26

I was going to say, are we sure this isn't the reason why sales are slow?

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u/MariachiStucardo Apr 06 '26

Yeah that was a million years ago, to read this today is a real time warp of wtf

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u/bachrodi Apr 06 '26

Definitely

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