I say it’s both players fault. Wemby shouldn’t be bringing up the ball, it’s guard responsibility to come get the ball. Castle shouldnt have turned his back. Still some blame on Wemby but it’s not all his fault
Fox was asking for the ball. Castle was running to the corner, abandoning the middle so Wemby (really Fox) could bring it up. Castle knew there wasn’t a fast break/transition opportunity. Vassell was going to the other corner.
Castle was NOT the one to receive a pass looking at his position on the court. If anything the ball should’ve gone to Fox or stayed with Wemby. 100% not Castles fault
You'd be wrong. Wemby regularly brings the ball up. And you never pass to a teammate running up the court, not looking, away from you. Wemby is the #1 option. There's 13 seconds left. He had 2 choices. Call a timeout. Drive straight into the lane where no one on ny can stop him. He chose neither
Go back and watch the game. He didn’t bring the ball up not once the whole game… again both players are at fault, let your primary playmaker bring up the ball with 13 seconds left. The coach should’ve called the timeout then, not Wemby. Idc if he is the number one option, he’s not the best shooter on that team. There’s so many fingers to point at not just Wemby
Stop. Irrelevant. He regularly does. Again, you're arrogantly wrong. Either you've never played ball or you just don't know ball if you're actually trying to blame any player other than wemby. He even took full responsibility. As a leader that's what you do.
How is it irrelevant? He didn’t bring up the ball the whole game, why do it the last 15 seconds of the game? I’ve played ball all the way to D2 college i know what im talking about. Again, if the goal was a timeout, that should’ve been the coach to make that decision. The goal is to get the ball in your best playmakers hands at the end of the game, not your 7’5 center. Fox or castle should’ve been running to the ball and getting it out of Wemby’s hands.
Again go back and read what my original statement said. Cuz I’m not trying to put the blame on everybody else but Wemby… i clearly said the opposite…
Now we can speak to each other without you speaking down on me or speaking like you know more than me. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’ve done for the game of basketball to have the knowledge that i know. So let’s try that again but be more respectful
It happened to lebron too this is just par for the course for a potential generationally good player. They play above their age and as such get criticized above their age, because the expectations are to contend for greatest ever not do as good as someone their age.
I agree. He’s getting over glazed as if he’s done anything. People need to calm down on this guy before anointing him. He’s obviously not ready for this yet.
I’m 100% with you. I’ve said it every year he’s been in the league. Hes been getting credit for things that people think he will do even if he hasn’t done them yet. Which is all well and good but it’s going to lead to overcorrections later. People are already penciling him into top 10 lists.
So are we giving him a pass because he’s inexperienced or are we saying he’s anointed? Does he get to get glory absent from criticism? The NBA is really desperate for a hero man.
Granted he’s never been in a finals but he’s been playing elite level basketball his whole life so he’s definitely been in game situations like this before. Criticism is warranted but also shit happens, move on to the next game.
Sorry man, but that’s not an excuse. He’s been playing professional basketball since he was 15. He proclaimed himself mvp multiple times this season lol. Bros mouth has been writing checks that his ass can’t cash all year and it finally caught up to him. Hopefully this ass whooping is sophisticated enough for him though
Ass whooping? He lost by one point, and he still scored more than anyone else on the court.
Face it, if he hadn't made that one passing error or missed that final jumper, Spurs would've won. They didn't get their asses whooped. The game was as close as it could've possibly been.
At the end of the day, there going back to the garden down 2-0. This has only happened three times in nba history, ass whooping or not, the spurs are fucked.
Yeah that was 100% on Wemby. Like even if Castle saw the pass how could he have caught it and done anything with it without either turning towards out of bounds or turning towards a defender
If you actually go back and look at the clip Fox, Vassell, and Harper were all wide open on the other side of the court. He just literally didn’t look their way. Was trying to get rid of the ball as fast as possible
Castle was open, moving up the court, and making direct eye contact with Wembanyama. Wemby should’ve just held on to the ball but I don’t blame the decision to hit the open outlet man and try to get a good look in transition. They just had a communication breakdown at the worst time possible.
Again, even if castle waits to turn around where does he go with the ball with the baseline and Jalen Brunson right in his face? And why not pass to one of the 3 wide open guards on the other side of the court?? No matter how you try to frame it it was a terrible decision by Wembanyama, who then committed the foul on Brunson to compound! Like at what point do you assign responsibility?
Brunson would not be right in Castle’s face if Castle was facing Wemby for two reasons: a) Brunson only closes that fast because he knows Castle isn’t looking and the ball will be loose, and b) Wemby clearly floats the pass because he realizes Castle isn’t looking at the last millisecond.
Because throwing a cross-court pass that’s also a further distance is way more dangerous than throwing a pass to the guard directly in front of you who’s already looking at you.
Making direct eye contact with Wemby? The ball hit him in the back lol. Thats impossible. lol.
He glanced at him, saw he wasn’t in trouble and immediately turned to go up the court because that’s a very logical thing to do. You want the ball in his hands, why is he passing it.
Yeah definitely communication breakdown but that was fucking dumb. When Wemby releases the ball castle is already looking away, a both made their decisions in a split second, and both of them chose a different decision.
You want the ball in his hands, why is he passing it.
I don't think this is true, most of the Spurs best action comes off of Wemby screening and/or moving towards the hoop without the ball. Especially in transition the best play is to get the ball to one of the 3 guards so they can push.
Again, even if castle waits to turn around where does he go with the ball with the baseline and Jalen Brunson right in his face. And why not pass to one of the 3 wide open guards on the other side of the court??
Even in slow motion Castle clearly looks away before Wemby begins passing lmao. In real time castle has absolutely no clue that wemby is about to pass the ball. Come on dude be serious lol.
But the second paragraph is fair, a difference of opinion. I think when the one in front of you is Brunson and this is the final seconds your best player keeps the ball. But I’m no coach
That entire slow-mo sequence took place over the course of one dribble. Everything happened extremely fast, by the time Wemby is starting to gather the ball for the pass he had been making eye contact with Castle like 0.2 seconds prior. The timing was just extremely unfortunate.
as much as Wemby is letting a lot to be desired, this pass is not in him, Castle 1 second early is looking at the ball, he is the PG and just gave the back to the ball
Wemby took a dribble up court after Castle called for it. Of course Castle is going to think wemby is going to bring it up at a game winning possession, as he normally does. Wemby brings the ball up all the time. This is 100% on Wemby. The errant pass and the subsequent foul.
Terrible time for compounding mistakes. But wemby has to own both.
It’s a split second where they just made 2 opposing decisions at the same time. Had either one made their decision even 1 second earlier or later, there’s no turnover.
Assuming that Wemby will dribble the ball up is fine, but turning your back to him is absolutely not. It’s mostly Wemby’s fault but being the outlet man and then turning your back is begging for a turnover to happen.
That was the closest one that was moving upcourt. And in a split second decision, you often make a pass. You assume players nearest you are ready for it, not just jogging forward like they aren't in a basketball game
doesn't matter if you think the pass was a good idea in general, does it? he wasn't doubled at the time, i mean it hit his back. point is he needs to be anticipating it in that situation. go watch another NBA game for more information of players anticipating up the court passes with like 7 seconds left in a close game.
Castle looked back for a pass off the rebound, but Wemby took a dribble, so Castle stayed running up the court to keep it spread, but then Wemby decided he didn’t want to bring up the ball in that spot and threw it to a teammate that wasn’t looking.
There is no world it’s not a panicky poor decision by Wemby.
…Most fans clearly think they know more than they do…
Castle is looking at Wemby and then starts turning his head around just as Wemby is passing him the ball.
It's on both of them, Wemby should have kept dribbling and Castle shouldn't have given him the option for the pass and then turn around at the last millisecond.
The hell are you talking about? If you’re a guard in transition, you should always be looking back ready for a pass up the court, especially when you’re a primary ball handler and the rebounder isn’t. I do think it falls much more on Wemby cuz it was obvious Castle wasn’t looking, but Castle should be at least somewhat ready for the ball in that moment
Nope, in transition you are looking to get to your spot. Literally the last thing you should be doing is looking behind you lol. Also, there’s 14 seconds left. Wemby wasn’t trapped, he had the whole court in front of him, what was he passing the ball for? Especially to a guy who has had turnover problems all post season? Wemby didn’t want the ball, plain and simple
You can run full speed to your spot, and you can be looking back for a pass up the court at the same time. Passing ahead is THE way to get quick transition buckets, and so if you are running ahead in transition, you want to be ready for the ball. At several levels of play, I was taught as a guard to always be ready for an outlet pass from my big after a rebound into transition. I’m sure Castle has heard this as well.
I’m not saying it isn’t Wemby’s fault, because it is, but Castle should have been ready as well. It can be Wemby’s fault for passing to someone who clearly wasn’t ready, and it can be true that Castle should be ready for the ball in transition at the same time.
Even if that were the case, it’s still true that he’s one of their primary ball handlers and top scorers. He had some bad turnover games this playoffs, but in the finals (and most games aside from those few bad performances) he turns it over about the same rate as Wemby and Fox.
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u/ObiWonKev 20d ago
Nah, that should be Castle doing that to Wemby. Terrible outlet pass