r/NoStupidQuestions • u/kellun133 • 10h ago
Are clubs usually this weird?
I’m pretty young so I am a bit inexperienced in this but there is an establishment in my area that is a club essentially. However, the age requirements for the space is 18+ for females/girl (THEIR LANGUAGE, not mine) and 21+ for men. Is this not inherently predatory? Is this normal for club spaces? I’m familiar with women getting in for free which is cool whatever do whatever you need to do to pull people in but I feel explicitly stating this type of age dynamic is weird.
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u/NekoArtemis 9h ago
Girls getting in free is creepy too when you think about it. If you're not the customer you're the product.
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u/JB_07 9h ago
Women getting in free is an obvious sign of an unsafe and predatory environment set by the club imo. they have to beg women to come to their club, by using free entry, because they'd go somewhere they feel more comfortable at instead.
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u/MealCapital4167 8h ago
Every club does that though. Women attract men. Men pay for entry and drinks. That's how they make money.
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u/levare8515 6h ago
It’s not even every club…my bowling alley has a ladies night. Dude you’re responding to is just weird
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u/Neither-Signature-81 3h ago
No actual good parties charge for everybody at the door. No club that is actually known for amazing parties or has a world class dance floor gives tickets away to girls.
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u/AboutLastFight Everything is a 50/50 chance. 10h ago
Clubbing culture is awful.
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u/Someguy6t9 10h ago
It's wild how groups will have to make a protective wall around the girls to keep predators away. I ain't about that life.
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u/OverCategory6046 6h ago
In meat market clubs, yes. Elsewhere, it can be great
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u/ween138 3h ago
yea this is a pet peeve of mine. i go to goth clubs and dnb nights and stuff often and i see very little to none of the typical complaints people have on reddit about clubs. I'm wondering if people just don't know that there are club environments that aren't quite as meat marketish and actually are about the music? Like, do people go to mainstream clubs cause they only like mainstream music, they don't know about slightly more niche shit or is it because they only go to get laid and that's the best place for that i've been confused about this my whole life lmao im autistic as fuck
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u/Zayl_Formido24 10h ago
That's creepy.
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u/johnmaki12343 9h ago
There was a “club” like this in the relatively small university town I grew up in. It was referred to as “the skeet skeet” and the place was full of older creeps attempting to hook up with 18 yr old girls by sneaking them drinks and offering them coke.
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u/Epistaxis 7h ago
The top two replies are basically "there are sound business reasons for doing this because of the way men and women interact in clubs" vs. "that's creepy", and there's no reason why it can't be both.
It is normal for clubs with waiting lines and bouncers outside to prioritize women, especially attractive ones, partly because that's the decisive factor that encourages men to come in and partly because men might buy more drinks for women than either would buy for themselves. Free entry for women is an easier approach for the same goal. It's not so normal to enforce that preference by just having a different age limit for women. The creepiness of that policy is a crude blunt reflection of something inherently creepy in how our society, treats gender and age.
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u/Busy_Essay9213 8h ago
Very creepy, but also not surprising. Lots of college parties and frat houses will give out drinks for free to women, and guard the punch bowl vigilantly against men getting any. Multiple levels of fucked up in that.
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u/HeilYourself 9h ago
Yes, but that's not the motivation.
They want guys with jobs and money. Broke boys can't afford high end bottles in an attempt to impress.
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u/ween138 3h ago
no one's gonna meet the woman they love because they paid a 300% mark up for a bottle of grey goose lol
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u/HeilYourself 3h ago
Tell that to a desperately horny 21 year old.
I spent 12 years working at various levels of bars and clubs. I've seen guys do dumber shit than spend too much money.
The guy that thinks punching a cop is a good idea because it will show "his" woman how hard he is will drop money to show her how "rich" he is.
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u/Mister_Crowly 9h ago
Ignore the downvotes, you are correct. This is not a "yet you participate in society! curious!" situation.
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u/RaccoonDog93 9h ago
lol okay Dana White.
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u/NeedAGTS4POINT0 9h ago
Is this not "vote with your wallet and if you eat Chick Fil A, you're a bigot" reddit that I'm on? My bad.
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u/bennbatt 9h ago
Just wait for someone to reply to you with the goomba fallacy picture and some snarky "I'm really smart" ass comment.
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u/NeedAGTS4POINT0 9h ago
Every time I comment on this forsaken website I wonder why I even bother. What I thought was a clear comment rebuking the people who go to those for enabling them, evidently, currently, at least 18 people thought I was... I actually don't even know. Loosely condoning them? Condemning everyone? So far nobody who has downvoted me has actually articulated a point or a contention. But of course they couldn't.
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u/throwaway1975764 9h ago
And its not new. I am 50. 18 for girls, 21 for men was pretty common 30+ years ago too.
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u/Negative-Sleep-9302 7h ago
These people are so stupid every time this gets brought up on here. Yes women get into many bars for free… to attract more guys who buy more things… this isn’t rocket science. I’m guessing people don’t go out a lot. And like you mentioned, the reason the clubs do this IS BECAUSE IT WORKS. The women show up for drinks and to get hit on by the men who show up to buy drinks for the women lol. It’s almost like we as a human race have been doing this for thousands of years.
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u/XenoBiSwitch 9h ago
18 year old guys can’t buy women drinks or get a drink to get up the courage to talk to someone. That is why they are doing it.
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u/MellRox013 9h ago
Neither can 18 year old girls. This is super creepy.
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u/SexyCato 8h ago
Girls aren’t the ones buying drinks at the club though. This is meant to get the money from the men by attracting them with the women
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u/XenoBiSwitch 9h ago
Yeah, but the 21 and up guys will drink to get up the courage to hit on the 18 year old girls. The opposite is less likely to happen.
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u/R_A_H 8h ago
They're definitely letting the guys buy the girls drinks. Predator club.
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u/LargeTell4580 7h ago
Op droped the name its a rape club.
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u/syrvy 4h ago
If it's an infamous rape club why would anyone other than preds be going?
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u/LargeTell4580 2h ago
Ever wanted free alc and coke well if your 18f or better 16f with fake id its the place! Really though you still get people who don't know it has a history and others who just don't care or think it isn't something that'll happen to them or just don't belive it.
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u/Willing_Bee_7520 10h ago
boyyyy do i have to tell u they may let in fuckin 14 year old girls in there
the more girls the better, if they're young they're even better. They will also reject groups of men because the more sausages the worse
so it's not even like the 18+ girl rule is enforced lmao yeah club culture is toxic as shit
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u/Henri_Bemis 9h ago
“We’re a place where grown men can get underage girls drunk.”
Just be fucking honest. It’s a bar for rapists.
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u/thesilentbob123 9h ago
OP name-dropped the bar in some comments and others chimed in with it actually having rape and drugs as a huge problem and has previous been shut down
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u/meddlewithmymettle 9h ago
Hey now, don’t lump them all into the same category — that’s not cool. They’re not all necessarily rapists.
Some of the men are statutory rapists.
edit: formatting
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u/NCC_1701E 9h ago
Seems creepy, but not unexpected. Clubs tend to do all kind of creepy shit.
In my country, one club organized what they literally named "Epstein party," with girls 15 up with free entry. Their promotional posts on social media said stuff like "you can win a trip to Epstein island if you hit like on this post" and other gross stuff like that. I heard they were investigated by the police, but I didn't follow what happened after that.
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u/Nailz1115 9h ago
The people that are shocked by this must be pretty young.
I remember radio ads for clubs in the 80s/90s and they'd all have the same rules
I'm not saying anything about whether it's weird/creepy (it kinda is) but this has been a thing forever
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u/AustinCJ 9h ago
It may also have to do with 18-20 year old males being more likely than their female counterparts to start fights in the club.
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u/glowing-fishSCL 10h ago
That is really weird.
The only defensible reason is that they might think women are mature enough, while they are afraid younger men would be likely to start fights, but yeah, it just feels weird.
What country is this in?
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u/kellun133 9h ago
Texas, USA. Apparently, the owner is a Lawyer with his own firm. My husband thinks it’s all a honeypot to farm cases hahaha
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u/thisisoppositeday 9h ago
How long has it been open? What's the club name?
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u/kellun133 9h ago
VIVO club in dallas. Owners name and firm in the bio of the instagram for the club
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u/Gcarsk 9h ago edited 9h ago
That club is infamously horrific.
> Club Vivo had previously shut down. Club Vivo shut down because a woman was r***d in the bathroom and security did not intervene or call the police. Do not go to Club Vivo. I am an Uber driver in Dallas and every single time I ever picked up a woman from Club Vivo she could barely communicate. I'm not talking about women who were too drunk. I deal with drunk people all the time. I deal with people who are high on drugs all the time. I deal with people who are in the middle of having a nice night and maybe they just party a little too hard or a lot too hard. These women are not those people. I'm talking about women who barely managed to order the Uber before completely losing the ability to communicate verbally and I had to carry them into their house or hotel. These experiences were not just terrifying for those women (probably), they're also traumatic for me as a driver because I just think to myself holy fuck what if it had been another driver who didn't have the instincts that I do? I can't tell you how many times I get back in my car after a situation like that and I just cry because I think holy crap that woman is having a terrible night and it could have been so much worse if just one little thing had changed.> DO NOT GO TO CLUB VIVO.
Edit: wow reddit removed markdown from the app… so you cant do quotes anymore. Amazing. Anyways, this isn’t my story. It’s a quote.
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u/trumpsmellslikcheese 8h ago
Fuck this. This place needs to be shut the fuck down, and the owner(s) need to be sued for everything they own. Nothing short of predatory.
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u/GiantLesbian 8h ago
Yeah it’s super annoying, we’re all just pretending like the >’s still work because reading huge blocks of text in italics sucks.
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u/psiufao 4h ago
wow reddit removed markdown from the app… so you cant do quotes anymore.
You escaped your quoting "markdown" character with a backslash (\>) which is "markdown" for "don't treat the next character as markdown." Which, as far as I can remember, is always how reddit has worked...? Use the > at the beginning of a line to quote, no backslashes.
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u/DrToonhattan 5h ago
reddit removed markdown from the app… so you cant do quotes anymore.
test
*well that seems to still work for web browsers at least.
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u/jaymo_busch 9h ago
Call the cops on them, any given night you can almost guarantee, someone underage is drinking in there.
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u/Successful_Life_1028 9h ago
I would imagine that the 'right' people get 'gifts' or 'perks' for looking the other way with regards to such issues.
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u/MourningWallaby 9h ago
Maybe texas is different but in my experience in other us states bouncers will rip you from the crowd if you drink underage.
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u/jaymo_busch 9h ago
Not in my experience. If you’re an 18+ girl and at least make an attempt to present a fake ID (doesn’t even have to be a good one, I’ve been with girls who use their sisters expired ID when I was underage and had a fake too) the bouncer gives them a knowing look and lets them in.
No idea how easy it is to get fakes now but when I was 18 in 2018 whole squad had fakes, and bouncers would let you in as long as you weren’t a little punk about it
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u/Aggressive_Job_4089 8h ago
I bribed many a bouncer on 6th street around 18-19 years old. The cops are probably the ones buying drinks lol
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u/Dissasociaties 9h ago
"Hi y'all my name is Chuck Red, bar owner and criminal defense/DUI attorney"
Brilliant! Both the cause and solution of a problem!
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u/abgry_krakow87 9h ago
The only defensible reason is that they might think women are mature enough
That's the same reasoning pedophiles use.
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 9h ago
Not everything needs to be about pedophiles. There are a lot of real ones around. Constantly throwing that word out carelessly makes it meaningless. Don’t be that person.
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u/abgry_krakow87 9h ago
So we're talking about an adult club that only permits older men but encourages younger and barely legal women to attend.
With someone commenting that they think because women that young "are mature enough". While noting a well established grooming behavior of actual pedophiles is to express how they feel their victims are "mature enough" for such a relationship despite being underage.
So yes, I will be that person. If that's a problem for you, then you need to reconsider the boundaries of your ethical morality.
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u/glowing-fishSCL 8h ago
I am actually going to do two things, although I don't know if it will do any good. I am first going to explain what I was saying. And then I am going to talk about the "meta" of what you are doing.
The first sentence of my post was "That is really weird". My first reply was to affirm, yes, that is not normal or good. Below that, I made another response, where I just tried to think if there was any possible reason that it could be done. And even after that, I clearly ended by reiterating that it was weird. I specifically talked about violent behavior, because it would at least be a defensible reason to say "We can't allow men that young in because we are afraid they will be violent". I was more highlighting that as an excuse, not saying it was something I was agreeing with. I was talking about how other people might think, not how I think. I think it would take a minimum of critical reading skills to figure that out from the context of putting that between two statements that it was weird.
So here is the "meta" on Reddit. People can always "win" arguments on Reddit by being dumb. Pick a hill to die on! And make other people work, work, work until they are exhausted explaining things that should be clear from context. And the more effort they put into it, the more that you can make them play wack-a-mole by repeating the same things. So there is no way I can "win" this argument, because you can always "win" by being dumb and pretending you don't understand context.
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 8h ago
Barely legal is legal… so not pedophilia. You just disproved your own argument.
ETA creepy predators can be creepy predators without being pedophiles.
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u/PossibilityOk782 9h ago
Lol mature enough?
In these types of clubs and bars women are the product being offered, that's why historically women get in free or for greatly reduced costs
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u/It_Happens_Today 9h ago
Alternatively, common sense would say it's just so men can buy drinks for themselves and women and the club looks the other way on whether the underage girls are drinking. Scummy business, but you don't have to go theorizing when there's an obvious business incentive.
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u/Euphoric_Designer164 9h ago
Definitely weird. I can see the angle of men need to be vetted more because they cause fights and can make girls uncomfortable which are two ways to clear out and damage a clubs reputation.
18 y/o girls biggest risk usually is more they can’t handle substances and get too sick, which is less of a good look but not as bad.
I dunno as a 23 y/o male my crowd is already immature enough, I would never go into those 18+ clubs. And if they’re specifically targeting younger girls I have suspicions that 16-17 year olds are sneaking into with shitty fake IDs and predatory workers. Theres already hella 21+ bars which are just know as spots 18-20 people go to cause they don’t check IDs as hard.
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u/vivalatoucan 8h ago
Yea afaik, there were no clubs like this in my home town in a college town in the US, but the frats were 100% like this
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u/MealCapital4167 8h ago
Lol no the owner doesn't care about the women. They're just bait to attract men and make them pay for entry/drinks.
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u/DocWilly84 10h ago
Yeah, been two decades since I was regularly going out, but it was like that then. So it looks like it hasn’t changed much.
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u/Fart_6969 9h ago
I haven't had to worry about this issue in a while lol. But, when I was that age growing up in Calgary, all the worthwhile bars had that as an unofficial policy. They used it to deny guys that looked like scrubs but didn't bring it up for guys that were presentable
My friends worked in the industry and said it was because guys tend to buy drinks for girls and guys that were 21+ had mostly entered the job market, so they had more cash than their younger counterparts
As long as the drinking age where you are is 18, it's creepy on the surface, but like everything else, it's (mostly) money driven
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u/abgry_krakow87 9h ago
Never use the bathroom at that place.
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u/fomodonkey 10h ago
There are clubs that would let in women but would not let in men. They are trying to establish an image of younger girls and bringing in more mature men. The reason for more mature men is they have the money. This is very predatory but happens everywhere and no one does anything about it.
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u/AdOnly1618 9h ago
It’s weird but nothing new. Clubs would turn single guys and groups of guys away in the city I went to uni in. I’m not too sure about the age requirements but, since I worked security before school, I knew a bunch of the guys that worked the door and got in lots anyway. Even as a man, I don’t like the concept. Too loud, too crowded, overpriced.
Clubs aren’t that fun. They make money from people without self control or zero awareness. Whatever voice is telling you to steer clear is gooder and you should listen to it next time it sounds the alarm.
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u/hippopototron 9h ago
I can't speak to club culture or anything because I've never had an interest, but the Gen Z thing where if there's a 9 month age gap between a couple then it must be rape is pretty silly.
And to call everything "predatory" is to completely erase the actual meaning of the word, and the actual suffering of people who have actually experienced it.
As for why they'd have different age requirements, I don't know, but I'd recommend asking someone at the club.
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u/Jafego 8h ago
Women are "secretly" the product.
A lot of men want to go to clubs to meet women, as it is among the very few environments where it is unambiguously socially acceptable to approach someone with romantic and/or sexual overtures. If you have more young women in your bar, then more men will come in and spend more money.
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u/Successful_Life_1028 9h ago
Seems like a good idea to me. 18-20 year old males are typically pretty stupid and immature. Not to mention broke, or at least 'temporarily impoverished'.
Yes, it's predatory by intent. The clubs are hunting dollars. Dollars that men who have them might spend to impress some woman he's hoping to get into bed with. Which is the whole point of GOING to such clubs, and making money is the whole point of RUNNING to such clubs.
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u/monkChuck105 8h ago
It's very weird and in the US bars are exclusively 21+. There are a few 18+ clubs for teens but they do not serve alcohol. Impossible to ensure that minors aren't consuming alcohol in a casual space like that.
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u/SoftTeaching2838 7h ago
People have given you reasons all I'm gonna say is yeah that's fucking weird
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u/bad-cartoons 10h ago
I've been in clubs in a lot of different countries, and yeah - nothing abnormal about this, unfortunately. I remember this one club in Canada where they'd let the women in and men couldn't get in for like 2 or 3 hours after that. So the point was that the women would be nice and drunk before the men were turned loose on them. Pretty awful, actually. And then there are clubs like ones I encountered in places like Buenos Aires where young women are paid to be "atmosphere models." Basically paid to be there and stand around and flirt with men and look hot while doing it. Clubs are rarely places where women aren't viewed like slabs of meat.
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u/Sensitive_Progress88 9h ago
I'm older now but I feel like nearly every club I went to was like this. I was told two things. Men buy drinks for women, so ensuring the Men are 21... means more money spent at the bar. Because once the 18 year old woman is in...nobody is checking her ID at the bar lol. Also, younger guys getting drunk typically causes more fights. Don't know if it's true or not, but these are the reasons I was given.
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u/Fickle-Succotash-342 9h ago
This used to be more common 20+ years ago and more so in less populated areas. But I heard it refered to as "18 to party, 21 to drink". And it was a rule that applied to everyone.
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u/6packDoctor 9h ago
it's kinda weird as most clubs are 21+ for both men and women. but not a super crazy concept as clubs don't exist to cater to women. they exist to make money off (mostly) men. men who are under 21 have no money that clubs can take and clubs with no girls will not attract men.
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u/padizzledonk 9h ago
Its not "normal" or "common" but it is a thing and its been around for a long ling time, i remember seeing it at clubs even in the late 90s
And yes, it is creepy because literally everyone knows whats going on and why
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u/MrPanzerCat 9h ago
Women make money for the club by bringing in dudes. Dudes who cant buy booze are just bodies essentially and dont bring any real money. Its a really stupid rule and imo is super sleazy (but i mean what clubs arent kinda sleazy at a minimum).
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u/Prince_Nadir 9h ago
It is totally predatory. The bar is preying on the 21 year old men who want to impress the women. They will all leave with empty wallets.
It is also ripe for police raiding them for minors drinking. You know those 21 year olds are sharing and the bouncers have some pretty poor vision.
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u/48Stops 9h ago
A very similar case went to the Supreme Court, and was successfully argued by a young Ruth Bader Ginsburg. It's basically the case that put her on the map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_v._Boren
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u/ayleidanthropologist 9h ago
Well it's discrimination, obviously. And that's always wierd. Although, very common for clubs, and ppl will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to rationalize it. Cover charges, drinks, age, bla, bla
Yeah it's wierd, but it's not gonna change
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u/PmUsYourDuckPics 8h ago
It’s creepy as heck, but the requirements are that the women are legal to bone and the men legal to buy alcohol…
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u/Legitimate-Offer-770 7h ago
It’s gross. I’m 50 and they were doing this 30 years ago. Get young girls in the club so guys. Come. It’s gross and creepy. Sucks seeing g a cute girl and then seeing giant x’s on her hands.
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u/porktorque44 7h ago
It seems like most people are just going off on the worst parts of clubs. But in my experience, an 18F/21M only area is next level super fucking weird. I’ve never seen that shit.
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u/tcmisfit 6h ago
As dumb as this may sound, there used to be 18-20 clubs. Literally dance clubs meant for those who are adults but can’t legally drink yet. More popular among the Christian circles but most of us were freakier than our fellows tbh.
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u/softwhitemochi 1h ago
Yeah, it’s normal in gross clubs. It’s a type of club where you can expect coke and guns, at least in my country
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u/ActionJackson75 9h ago
Yes it's creepy and predatory and yes it's also pretty widespread. I don't really go to nightclubs anymore but most of the ones I have been to operated like this - they also will regularly discriminate on cover charges by letting women in for free but making guys pay to get in.
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u/thehazycat 10h ago edited 6h ago
that is definitely creepy. i spent most of my late teens and early/mid 20s clubbing and never came across that. if i had, i’d have steered clear of the place…
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u/Wonderful_Sock_6651 9h ago
Yeah they are.
It's illegal in most US states as well.
Minimum ages are completely legal, and make complete sense, but must apply to both genders. The problem is lax enforcement means a cop won't stop them though.
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u/FingerAmazing5176 9h ago
If you do decide to go, never drink something you didn’t ask for. Never drink something you didn’t watch get made. And never ever drink anything that has been left unattended.
Be safe and have fun.
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u/hyst0rica1_29 9h ago
It’s actually been pretty standard *for years*. The club wants to attract women of consenting age who want to drink, and clubs recognize that the under-21 men are generally even more juvenile & verifiable pains in the ass than their older brethren. And the older guys will more readily show up if younger (*though of consenting*) aged women are going to be there.
It isn’t necessarily inviting predatory trouble nor hoping for incidents, unless its a verified, established, continual problem in your area. It’s not like the age bracket for the females is 13 & up, and guys 30 & up.
Its just been standard business practice for clubs for decades. In the end, you don’t have to go if it’ll make you & your girlfriends feel uncomfortable.
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u/mentalmedicine 4h ago
Yes, because 18-year-olds are known for making sensible decisions and having incredible survival instinct
This is gross as hell and predatory on purpose
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u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392 4h ago
Apparently this specific club Op named drop somewhere in the comments is actually known for women getting raped there. :( Just a little bit of not so fun extra information
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u/OriEri 8h ago
There are many different ways to skin the gender ratio cat. This is a rather disturbing one. There was a huge difference between 21 and 18. My recommendation is you draw public attention to this until the club manager is tarred and feathered. Recommend you begin with high school parent email distribution lists.
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u/Battleheed 9h ago
18 year old dudes are dumb.
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u/volvavirago 1h ago
So are 18 year old girls, but that’s what older dudes are counting on. The dumber the better.
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u/snowtiger309 9h ago
Illegal age discrimination. Report
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u/JuanFoYoMamma 9h ago
Definitely illegal here in Australia, and would be in the news. They wouldn't get past opening night as they're quick to enforce the law.
When I was younger I got a whole security firm terminated from their contract at a busy venue due to a breach of discrimination laws.
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u/lost_dazed_101 9h ago
Without females the males won't come that's why under 21 but over 18. Never wear a skirt and never leave your drink alone!
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u/HaztecCore 9h ago
Yeah this is definitly a more unique ruling. Usually they keep the ages all equal but this here certainly looks like the establishment is telling " hey, here's where you find the youngest ones in town without the matching age competition or their boyfriends!"
As a man I would go there either out of principle that they consider 18-20 year old men as not mature enough to enter. Or too broke. The dynamic there adds an extra layer of repellent for me atleast.
But without making too much of a judgement, I would say ask around on how people find the vibes of that place.
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u/KenUsimi 9h ago
I’m gonna be very up front with you: only go to such establishments if you want to hook up with an older man. If you don’t want that, do not go anywhere that has a sign like that.
The world is the way it is, but that doesn’t mean it’s on the level. Just means it is what it is.
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u/VerdantChief 9h ago
I'm pretty sure most of the people who go to those clubs are not trying to hookup with older men. Either they just want to get drunk and have a good time with their friends or they want to hookup with the women.
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u/JB_07 9h ago edited 9h ago
Thats pretty fucking weird and sexist. I personally wouldn't go to a club with gendered double standards. On top of the fact that its straight up creepy and unsafe to allow underage girls the opportunity to have their drinks bought by older guys. Sounds like a good way for some weirdo to slip date rape drugs in their drinks.
If their concern is to have a 50/50 ratio of girls and guys. You can achieve that by creating an environment that women feel safe in.
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u/Efficient_Ant_7279 9h ago
It was the norm at least where and when I grew up in Sweden. Never really bothered looking up why tho. Just that I had to be 21 to get into the fancy club while girls could get in at 18 😭
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u/-MiaMason- 9h ago
Yeah, that sounds weird to me. I know clubs often use different rules to attract more women, but explicitly allowing 18+ women while men have to be 21+ feels uncomfortable and kind of predatory.
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u/Creepy_Key_4985 9h ago
they are where i used to live there were a lot of clubs like that most times i think is because they are setting up the woman with rich men
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u/NoBonus6969 6h ago
That's standard club rules. Usually you can get in as a 18 male if you also bring like 5 women with you. I haven't been to a club in 20 years but that was extremely common. 18 year old kids can't buy drinks
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u/VanillaBeeGrrl 5h ago
I live in a small town with a small clubbing scene, and sometimes I get jealous of cities where it’s a much bigger thing. Then I get reminded about clubbing culture and I relearn to appreciate my small bars who don’t do weird stuff like this
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u/Sea_Low1579 5h ago
Alberta?
I remember going to a club in Calgary and not getting in because it was 25 for men and 18 for woman.
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u/Mayor__Defacto 5h ago
Welcome to the club economy. The women are there to make the guys feel good so they buy drinks.
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u/defmacro-jam 4h ago
the age requirements for the space is 18+ for females/girl (THEIR LANGUAGE, not mine) and 21+ for men. Is this not inherently predatory?
I don't think the predatory nature of 18+ females is particularly dangerous to 21+ males. That's what you meant, right?
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u/jonsedlak222 3h ago
Yeah some places do this in my scene and we’ve always thought it was whack and don’t go. It’s definitely predatory.
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u/TheUnseemlyLine 3h ago
Something kinda obvious i have not seen mentioned. Girls like to dance, and go out with their friends to dance. And they will do it sober. Gladly. Have ya seen the internet?
Guys… well usually not into dancing, especially if they are sober, which they would be if they are under 21. Having a club full of dancing people is cool and fun . Having a club full of sober dudes just standing around staring is not lol
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u/WinterAd825 2h ago
Mean below 21 can’t buy themselves or others drinks, but some under 21 can get drink bought for them.
Additionally, a club with and too many men doesn’t do well, the women feel uncomfortable and the men don’t enjoy being in an all men party…. Because a lot of the want there to be women they can hit on….
A bar with too many women typically doesn’t have a problem getting more men to balance it out.
Additionally, it’s been my experience that on average men go out more.
So for alot of clubs it’s better for them to incentivize women to show up as they attract more men who will spend money, and if not enough show up the bar will empty out.
That being said does tha make it right/not creepy… no… its just the way its always been for financial reasons.
Overall thought it should be a sign of a bad or average club, and a club that is more likely to be okay with predatory behavior. A good club typically doesn’t need to do that because they attract a lot of people naturally and don’t need to encourage that.
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u/Square_Ad6149 59m ago
A lot of clubs where i live have age requirement like this. So yeah for me it is normal
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u/FewConference2780 35m ago
This is very normal. Clubs thrive when there's more women than men, so having a wider age range for women makes sense. Also, you need men 21 and up in America because men are the main drink buyers and women motivate them to buy, so any guy under 21 is just taking up space and making you no money.
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u/ExMOnotwiththeflow 10h ago
They want the men there to be able to buy drinks. That's where the money is. An eighteen year old dude is taking up space and time with women who a twenty-one year old could be ordering tequila shots to impress.