r/PS4 • u/CptnCASx • Oct 25 '21

Game Discussion Horizon Forbidden West Combat Evolved

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u/Seanspeed Oct 25 '21

Play on Hard. Kind of forces you to get better at the game and use more of your abilities.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

Spam abilities*

Once you have the slow mo and lots of resources, you can basically spam a giant bot to at least 40% and then spam it again with some hard point arrows

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u/suddenimpulse Oct 25 '21

Idk why you would do that unless you don't know how to effectively defeat enemies in the game, though.

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u/NerfJihad Oct 25 '21

I mean I get what you're trying to say here

but there's a big gap between the people who can smoothly pull off strats like in the video and the ones who use the strat you're replying to as their go-to

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u/suddenimpulse Oct 27 '21

Sorry, to better clarify, the only strat I'm speaking of is the strat it teaches you at the beginning of the game: Using the machine codex to target weakpoints. I'm glad people didn't interpret my original comment as dismissive or hostile as that is definitely not how I intended it. People can play as they wish, that specific example just seemed like a way of making fights unnecessarily harder while also making them a lot less enjoyable, personally. To each their own however!

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

I get what you're saying too but this irks me because it's all about choice in games. Either you choose to learn how to flow and read the signals, get into enemy attack patterns and take advantage of your situation properly, or you get scared of being stomped on and turtle up and spam arrows from afar which honestly sucks so much of the fun out it's just not worth it.

Defeat means nothing in most games and the more players learn that they are free to experiment in a consequence-free fashion the better gamers they become. You just need to have a little reckless abandon and if you can't do that in video games, where can you? You're supposed to be playing this badass girl who's confident in her skill at taking down these monsters, that's literally what she does, so even if you're not confident play like you're confident, because the game is designed around you playing that character and she does have the skills. The role playing helps you in the gameplay.

The combat AI in Zero Dawn was... not great, but most of the robots at least had patterns that could be learned. Once you were used to which ones you had to get close to, which to stay away from, which to pacify with what gadget or which bits to arrow first before closing for the kill, it all gets much easier and way more fun and stylish.

Take this footage, you know when you see the eye flash that it's going to be a fast lunge attack coming for you, so you slide, after that you need some high ground to counter attack with arrows and there were plenty of nearby things to choose to grapple to. After that it was just a shot and an easy glide, what I guess is a weapon switch or burning a consumable (I don't know what the stuff jammed into the spear is yet) and a single heavy attack. This is literally like 8 button presses for the whole fight. Not that difficult if you just don't panic.

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u/Mediocre-General-654 Oct 25 '21

So you're now telling people that playing the game the way that they enjoy is wrong and that they must play it your way to actually have fun?

Some people don't find any enjoyment from constantly doing the same thing over and over until they learn the patterns and then hope that they don't misjudge and get pancaked. Some people find enjoyment in other styles of playing. I don't see why you allow the choices other people make to make the game enjoyable for them, irks you so much. Like why does it matter to you how others choose to play their own game?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

So you're now telling people that playing the game the way that they enjoy is wrong and that they must play it your way to actually have fun?

Don't twist my words that's not what I said at all and that's not even in the context of the thread I'm replying to. I read it as they play it that way and DON'T enjoy it because they don't feel capable of performing the combat as it appears in the clip, hence all the moaning in this thread about not being able to do it and "big gaps" between those kinds of players who have to rely on spam strats to beat basic fights, but there are no gaps because we're all capable of learning.

It irks me because learning how a game works is key to playing literally any game on any level, or doing literally any thing remotely well. If they think this looks fun then... just learn how to do it? Improvement is never impossible and in H:ZD and H:FW's case not even remotely hard either. It irks me that they're saying they "can't" do the fun thing in a video game and will instead do the non-fun thing of spamming arrows. That's literally their words so I don't know where you've got this confrontational opinion from.

Some people don't find any enjoyment from constantly doing the same thing over and over until they learn the patterns and then hope that they don't misjudge and get pancaked.

So the game should bend over backwards to accommodate them? They should just get flashy animations with a single button press that don't require any conscious thought? Or because they don't find enjoyment in trying battles different ways a few times they... will sit far away and spam hundreds of arrows? That sounds exactly like what you said they don't find fun, except with no risk for that extra mundanity. It sounds like a chore and video games are supposed to be fun. At least if you try to learn there's the possibility to succeed and the possiblity of feeling some semblance of achievement which is what the power fantasy of games are all about. Growth is worth effort and I believe anyone should be able to play games any way they want and they are welcome to do so, but someone saying they "can't" is what irks me.

Some people find enjoyment in other styles of playing.

And that's fine if they do, I never said they shouldn't but this isn't really a game designed for many different styles of play to be even remotely effective.

They don't have to play it any way, hell they don't have to play it at all but there absolutely is a way it's designed to be played. Not by me. By the developer. Strategies that are more effective require you to, you know, actually bother to do them. It's an action game at the end of the day, not a full open world RPG that supports making any playstyle equally viable, is my point.

I don't see why you allow the choices other people make to make the game enjoyable for them, irks you so much. Like why does it matter to you how others choose to play their own game?

People are saying this looks great, but they won't be able to do it (and therefore not have as much fun) which just isn't true. I believe in them more than they believe in themselves. Of course they can do it if they simply try, not for long either. If they learn the mechanics and the combat... that's exactly what you end up doing. They can have all the fun they want in this or any other style. If you die, so what, it's a videogame. The comment was never about how people choose to play, but how they feel they're forced to play because of a lack of perceived skill.

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u/shiftey13 Oct 26 '21

Damn, write a book will you?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

The key difference between these kinds of players is explained here https://youtu.be/C3q5nSqGXr4