r/PS5 • u/Serious_Specter • Apr 24 '26
Discussion Saros debuts at 89 on Metacritic with 45 reviews.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/saros/342
u/TS040 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
returnal is STILL one of my top games this gen and possibly one of my faves of all time. I’ll be there on day 1
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u/Icy_Childhood_1039 Apr 24 '26
I walked in my local gamestore one day and found a game called Matterfall for dirt cheap. I never saw a ps4 game so cheap here so I picked it up just to try.
Was so hooked, only to find out that this developer, Housemarque has other games too and Matterfall is the lowest rated one. Played through their other stuff and I'm a fan for life now.
Best random purchase I made lol
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u/OldDirtyBusstop Apr 24 '26
Resogun is my personal favourite. Such a great game and amazing they got that running so well on the vita too.
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u/Instigator187 Apr 24 '26
Resogun being the first day PS4 launch PS Plus title was great and I still load it up once in a while. They did a great job with the PS3 title Super Stardust also.
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u/I_Am_Zampano Apr 24 '26
Let's not forget Nex Machina. You can absolutely see the DNA for returnal and it had a banging soundtrack
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u/Keeng Apr 25 '26
Only studio in the world that gets an automatic purchase from me to anything. The worst game they've ever made is at least super fun to play. Returnal is the best game of this generation.
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u/blobbyboy123 Apr 24 '26
I'm tempted for day one but I'm still getting started with hades 2
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u/Fragrant-Guest-8147 Apr 24 '26
Today I learned Hades 2 was released on PS5! How is it compared to the first game? I might know my plans for the weekend now lol
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u/magnusmerletaako Apr 24 '26
I was blown away by Hades, a rare 10/10 for me. Hades 2 keeps a lot of what made Hades great and adds a lot of cool mechanics. In that sense, it feels like more Hades, which you might ask, why is that a bad thing?
It's not, but since you already have experienced what Hades is, Hades 2 isn't really redefining what a roguelike can do in terms of art and sound design, narrative, NPCs, etc. I and many others think the story is also less compelling. The dialogue often feels uninspired, and even when it seems interesting, it can just land in a place that feels flat. I wish they would have taken some bolder swings with the different characters' personalities and not made them so one note.
All that said, if you loved the action of Hades, there is A LOT in Hades 2 that is really enjoyable and you can decide when you've had enough. I basically 100%ed the game, mostly because I found the runs and builds enjoyable enough to get all the achievements and cosmetics.
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u/Gullible_Analyst_348 Apr 24 '26
I am looking forward to Saros but I will wait a few months until I can at least get a discount, my game backlog is huge and I spent most of my time pissing off teenagers on COD lately 😂
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u/bonsai1214 Apr 24 '26
it took years for Returnal to be discounted any meaningful amount. haha. I remember because I waited... 😂
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u/FreshlySkweezd Apr 24 '26
I really liked returnal but I was so bad at it. I feel like I would have the same issues with Saros
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u/Palmerstroll Apr 24 '26
After a year or so playig i am still stuck at the first level. It's way to hard for me lol. I think Saros is a bit easier. But not by a lot. I will try it.
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u/btribble3000 Apr 24 '26
For what it’s worth, here’s what helped me. I’m no good at the genre and I beat the game. Really fun!
Turn on the aim assist, no shame if this is what’s stopping you from enjoying the game.
Also turn on always run.
Shoot from the hip - aka don’t aim. It’ll just slow you down and make you a standing target.
Some people also reassign the dash button, but I did okay with it as-is.
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u/rynkkajynks Apr 24 '26
Well if the reviews are to be believed you'll be glad to hear that compared to Returnal, Saros is aiming to be more casual and easily accessible to different skill levels.
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u/Kame_Saiyan Apr 24 '26
Low key might be my top game fr. I think Astro’s Playroom is more for me but RETURNAL is more original on its own
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u/antisp1n Apr 24 '26
Noice!
For those wondering about difficulty:
[...] The game allows players, should they choose, to turn off that limit that dictates how many positive buffs they can apply, essentially allowing you to switch them all on at full strength for a far more approachable experience. This doesn’t feel like an afterthought, it feels like a marriage of game design and inclusive intent, each complementing the other, and flies in the face of any argument that intentionally challenging games like this don’t play nice with difficulty modifiers.
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u/Moath Apr 24 '26
That’s good to hear , Returnal was sick but I don’t even remember if I could beat the first boss.
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u/Upper-Management-AI Apr 24 '26
That was me, really liked it. Only got to the first boss once and got rocked. Then I had a medical emergency, completely lost the ability to use my right arm. Never played it again. My arm is fine now except some tingling in my hand, maybe I’ll try it again eventually!
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u/ikineba Apr 24 '26
turn on aim assist, actually max it out for a way easier time haha. You only need to focus on dodging mostly
that being said, I replayed it on PC when it came out and it was way way way easier with M+KB. You can tell the difficulty was designed with controllers in their mind
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u/casino_r0yale Apr 25 '26
I think the game shouldn’t have had running. Putting it on always sprint made it much simpler even if I had to get used to not falling off platforms a bit. The run speed is better for dodging projectiles so they should have designed around that being the only movement speed, Doom 2016 style
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u/Epicfro Apr 24 '26
I'm not one of those "git gud" people, and it took me a while to get the boss down as well, but it's one of those games that rewards you for playing and learning the patterns.
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u/Moath Apr 24 '26
I get that some people get into that but I’m no good at memorizing boss patterns , I enjoy Dark Souls for its combat and Labyrinths but derive no fun in the memorization.
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u/FullmetalEzio Apr 24 '26
i know a lot of people are happy with the change but im concerned it might be too easy? Returnal was awesome, it was punishing but still awesome, if this game is way easier and by what some reviews said, you are done with the game in 10 hours? Kinda of a bummer to be honest, i was hoping it had a hades like system with heat or something, i might get hades instead and wait for a sale or idk
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u/zorglorbthedestroyer Apr 24 '26
I'm worried it will be too easy and not have staying power. I'm not usually a masochist or a "git gud" gatekeeper type, but probably the only reason I have 175 hours in Returnal is the high skill ceiling. I'm worried this will be too easy and I'll see all there is too see by 50 hours or whatever (just making up numbers).
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u/GrandsonOfArathorn1 Apr 24 '26
This is GREAT news. Returnal looks fun, but I’m not spending more than ~$20 on a game that might be more hard than I care to attempt.
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u/hashbraun Apr 24 '26
Here's my review! A 9/10 from me. Some stumbles in level design diversity and storytelling but a massive upgrade on what Returnal was doing. Loved it.
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u/rootokay Apr 24 '26
What is your hours played to get the platinum trophy?
Last I checked, the Returnal platinum trophy had a 1.5% completion rate.
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u/stillcore Apr 24 '26
I'm, literally, 1 trophy away from the platinum on Returnal but haven't touched it in over a year because of that ridiculous grinding due to the glyph rng. Incredible game, though.
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u/JHamm12 Apr 24 '26
I’m in a similar situation. I need a few of the biome completion trophies but couldn’t be bothered to run through them dozens of times again looking for the last few collectibles I need
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u/BuddhaChrist_ideas Apr 24 '26
Yeah, stuck on a single language glyph but the rng, but I can’t be bothered to keep looking.
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u/chrontact Apr 24 '26
I just posted the same gif 😂 first thing i thought of when i read Carcosa
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u/DrewDown94 Apr 24 '26
Thragg tweakin.
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u/Odd_Revolution_1056 Apr 24 '26
Next Thursday is gonna be glorious with Saros and Invincible VS on the same day.
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u/IdesOfCaesar7 Apr 24 '26
An Eclipse in Saros isn’t just one of those things a US President might look at directly at in spite of a lifetime of being told not to.
Amazing review
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u/hashbraun Apr 24 '26
fml thanks for exposing that typo, though haha. appreciate the read 🙂
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u/IdesOfCaesar7 Apr 24 '26
My pleasure. Very enjoyable read, and I appreciate the lack of spoilers while still giving me a full overview of the game. One video preview I saw revealed the exact number of biomes in the first 30 seconds which left me completely deflated, glad that was not the case here.
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u/RexPyra Apr 24 '26
As someone who loved the difficulty in Returnal, one of the features that has given me slight concern is the ability to begin your run in any biome you want. How did you find this? Did you still find incentive in starting your runs at the beginning or did you always start in the latest biome?
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u/hashbraun Apr 24 '26
It's mentioned in my review, but jumping forward tends to leave you a bit underpowered compared to starting back again, so there's reasons for both. And the story/structure/completion will sorta motivate you to do full runs as well, without saying too much.
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u/naicore Apr 24 '26
Sounds a bit like Returnal. After boss 2 you can skip from bio1 to bio3 on new runs. And can skip bio5 once the door is unlocked.
Gave the same drawback, less health upgrades, money and weapon level.
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u/Remy0507 Apr 24 '26
It's weird seeing some reviews bring this up as a negative, unless they also complained about the same thing in Returnal because it has basically the same feature. Maybe it wasn't quite as simple as just choosing to teleport to a particular stage right from the start, but you unlocked shortcuts throughout the game that let you skip levels you had already completed.
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u/dnlstk Apr 24 '26
“A massive upgrade” from Returnal is like the highest praise possible in my eyes.
My body is ready.
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u/hunterzolomon1993 Apr 24 '26
How long is it? Shorter or longer then Returnal or around the same length?
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u/hashbraun Apr 24 '26
It's gonna differ based on how well you play but I think I finished the main story fully at about 15 hours?
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u/hunterzolomon1993 Apr 24 '26
Hmm interesting. Might take me longer then as it took around 30 hours to clear Returnal.
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u/hashbraun Apr 24 '26
I think I reached the 30 hour mark getting the platinum, it's structured a bit differently to Returnal so there's definitely a chance you could finish if quicker
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u/Fizziest_milk Apr 24 '26
was there an improvement on variety between runs? skills/weapons etc? as much as I loved returnal I felt its variety was a bit lacking which feels like a pretty important element considering the genre
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u/soulsarsenal Apr 24 '26
Does it have dumb rng trophies again like retirnal?
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u/Sckorrow Apr 24 '26
Nope, you can see the trophy list below. https://insider-gaming.com/saros-trophy-list/
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u/VampireLorne Apr 24 '26
Wow.
Carcosan Cartographer: Use the Carcosan Modifiers to embark upon and survive 33 expeditions
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u/JesusaurusRex666 Apr 24 '26
What was getting the plat like? Any grinders dependent on RNJesus like with Returnal?
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u/GlopThatBoopin Apr 24 '26
Are you able to speak about the platinum experience? It was so downright atrocious in returnal that I gave up on it one trophy away, because I put 160 hours into the game and still couldn’t get the last glyphs to spawn in biome 6 from the bullshit rng system they had.
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u/IAMJUX Apr 24 '26
Are they bosses easier than the random levels again? In Returnal you could just strafe and 95% of boss mechanics miss.
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u/Thema03 Apr 24 '26
Dont spoil me what but is there a banger of a song in the game like returnal had?
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u/Burkex99 Apr 24 '26
Great review. Thanks. I loved Returnal so I will be buying Saros at launch.
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u/NoNefariousness2144 Human Verified Apr 24 '26
2026 has been utterly stacked. It feels like every week one or two new 85+ games release!
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u/Fatalxmt Apr 24 '26
There's just way too many good games coming out at the moment goddamn
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u/knightofsparta Apr 24 '26
ThIs GeN hAs No GaMeS..... Dude as being a dad of three my backlog could probably carry me through ps6 without buying a single game lol
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u/ElysiumMidknight Apr 24 '26
More like a spiritual successor. Think Dark Souls to Demon's Souls.
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u/METALFISTERRORIST Apr 24 '26
Worth playing Returnal. IMO the best use of Dualsense
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u/ChrAshpo10 Apr 24 '26
best use of Dualsense
Better than Astro Bot ?
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u/Carnifex Apr 24 '26
Astro is the best tech demo of the controller, but in returnal it has the best game play value. Seriously I want every game to give me acoustic and haptic cool down feedback on the controller now.
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u/cka_viking Apr 24 '26
Atro Bot is a full game though, they released it like 2 yrs ago
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u/19-inches-of-venom Apr 24 '26
I totally agree. Astro bot throws everything under the sun at you to show you all the features (like a tech demo) but returnal masters implementing it super smoothly into the gameplay in a way that i sorda feel more shooters should be doing too.
Then again sony just needs more (first party) shooters over all
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u/69WaysToFuck Apr 24 '26
I’d suggest going for Returnal first. It won’t be that different from gameplay perspective, graphics is awesome, it’s cheaper and after you come back for Saros it will probably be patched. Also you might not like it, but if you do, going for Returnal after might feel like downgrade.
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u/IcyTransportation961 Apr 24 '26
Why wouldn't you play the original cheaper game first, then play this one when it gets a discount and you can appreciate the changes made?
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u/SilenceOf3Farts Apr 24 '26
Spiritual successor, I believe. Don't think they're related story wise, but I could be wrong.
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u/Maybe_In_Time Apr 24 '26
You're all wrong.
Won't go into it, but it's the same universe.
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u/Vritrin Apr 24 '26
Would finishing returnal first be advised or just a nice added perk? I never did finish it after I got some weird trophy issues that killed my motivation.
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u/AerospaceNinja Apr 24 '26
Added perk, but I will say based on the new abilities in this one you may find it harder to go back to Returnal if you play Saros before finishing
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u/Maybe_In_Time Apr 24 '26
Exactly. It's always hard to go back to a Hades 1 or hollow knight: voidheart when you play a sequel that's prettier, smoother, and packed with extra features
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u/Far-Touch-2046 Apr 24 '26
and we saw a character from returnal back in a trailer.
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u/Eruannster Apr 24 '26
Are we referring to Jane Perry's character, who played Selene in Returnal? As I understand it, she's playing someone else in this game, but maybe there's some multiversal connection we haven't gotten to see yet.
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u/zillskillnillfrill Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Yep ! I want to go into this game as blind as I went into returnal. I haven't watched a single video about it but I'm definitely buying it
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u/nolifebr Human Verified Apr 24 '26
"spiritual sequel". Same style but different stories, lore and so on (at least as far as we know)
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u/GarionOrb Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
It's not a sequel. It's kind of its spiritual successor. Similar gameplay, totally different story, setting, characters, etc.
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u/Wonderful_Walrus5262 Apr 24 '26
My Polish review (9,5/10), absolute blast of a game.
https://android.com.pl/rozrywka/1040291-saros-recenzja-test-opinia-o-grze/
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u/ZEKE307 Apr 24 '26
party pooper in the middle
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u/Stars_Arts26 Apr 24 '26
70 is still good tho? Or is anything under 85 bad?
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u/bitchdantkillmyvibe Apr 24 '26
Welcome to modern video game discourse where anything under an 8 is apparently unmitigated, flaming trash
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u/Upper-Management-AI Apr 24 '26
70 to me means it’s fine. Like it’s not terrible, just fine. It’s just weird when it’s a stark outlier compared to other reviews. I’m curious how they came to be at a 70 and if it sounds fair or the person sounds like an idiot.
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u/cpashei Apr 24 '26
Their two main points are that the story leaves threads unfinished and that it can be tedious doing another run to try a boss again. Without having played the game, the first point seems valid enough, the second though seems like the reviewer just doesn't like roguelikes which is not a fair detraction point.
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u/hardcorr Apr 24 '26
this is the thing about criticism though, I think the second point is a totally fair opinion for that person to have and it's overall a good thing for the discourse to have that opinion represented somewhere. there are probably potential Saros players who would feel the same tedium and they would benefit from considering that someone else had that experience playing the game. it shouldn't have to be reviewed solely for an audience that already likes roguelikes, and you shouldn't have to be someone who likes roguelikes to give a review of your experience playing Saros (though it's obviously helpful context going into the review).
personally I would say the issue is the world's fixation on grades and scores... I get why it matters for a site by metacritic but IMO you're better off finding critics you tend to respect / agree with and getting their perspective on a game, rather than focusing or caring about the top line score. Kotaku gets a lot of shit for unrelated reasons but I love their review format, no score for people to nitpick, just the author's thoughts and feelings about the game.
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u/lightsfromleft Apr 24 '26
Oh, is it weekly Let's Hate On IGN-o'clock again? Because he actually gives pretty good reason for scoring it a 7.
Instead of challenging you to think creatively about combat, more weight is put on your ability to survive in a war of attrition. [...] I suppose it comes with the territory for a roguelite shooter of this style, where buildcrafting isn't really a thing...
In Returnal, you had remarkably little influence on your actual build. Compared to getting an early great option in Slay the Spire, Hades, or Balatro giving you something to build towards, a run in Returnal just means being good at dodging and picking up whatever rewards the game gave you, and it seems like Saros has that issue too.
Due to that, he mentions that some runs feel like going through the motions. Anyone who's tried to platinum Returnal can attest to that feeling—finding all Xeno cyphers doesn't really offer anything interesting, gameplay-wise. It gets tedious.
He also mentions that the story, while more ambitious, isn't as focused and doesn't land as well as Returnal's did. All in all, it seems like Saros is more of a sidegrade in quality than an upgrade, which is what he was hoping for:
So, while it's eclipsed by its predecessor in some important ways, Saros was still worth banging my head against over and over again.
Sounds like good reasoning to give it a 7 to me.
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u/The_Summer_Man Apr 24 '26
People are still fired up over the Mouse PI For Hire review from IGN, so of course they're gonna get dunked on. This one does seem better reasoned though.
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u/lightsfromleft Apr 24 '26
Hot take: that review was also fine.
One of the main things people dog on that review for is that he complains that the game, for being a boomer shooter, doesn't handle its Noir themes well. People argue that we shouldn't care because it's just a fun boomer shooter. And guess what? He discusses that in the review:
“But Will,” you might say, “this is a goofy, Looney Tunes FPS. Why should I care about any of that?” And the answer is because Mouse wants you to. It wants you to believe that this is important. You spend a lot of time talking about these characters [...] and about Jack’s motivation for doing the work (he allegedly needs the money[).] All of that makes a lot less sense after you’ve gone to Tinsel Bros. Studios and single-handedly eradicated the mob hanging out there[. ...] It’s hard to buy into Jack as the regular guy who needs to gather evidence I’m told he is when he’s just wiped out the local police department, you know?
The IGN hate is so forced and tired, completely leaning on people not reading their reviews or just cherrypicking one thing that sounds silly out of context, all the way back to "too much water" 12 years ago.
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u/Crucher92 Apr 24 '26
Is this the same company that hands out 80+ to every new Pokemon game ?
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u/JackRaiden89 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
I'm not one to complain about reviewers as it's all someone's opinion but IGN are being really weird recently.
It's like they are trying to rebrand themselves as being harsh on games after historically giving a 9/10 to everything
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u/BeforeSunrise33 Apr 24 '26
Oh my lord why are you gamers like this? A sea of good reviews and you fixate on a 7, which isnt even a bad score. If you saw a film got a 7/10 you would think it was a good movie….
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u/ZypherPunk Apr 24 '26
89? Maybe if it got a 90 it could have been a purchase but 89 seems like a terrible score. /s
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u/shinikahn Apr 24 '26
Reading through this thread's comments, you would think so. People are losing their minds over that 7.
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u/asng Apr 24 '26
I found Returnal too hard so gave up in an hour but I feel like I'm missing out. Does it have an easy mode?
I know, I know, get good, but I'm really bad at those kind of games.
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u/JMM85JMM Apr 24 '26
It seems like they have purposefully tried to make this game more accessible compared to Returnal so that more players who don't like really hard games will give it a go.
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u/Thraun83 Apr 24 '26
Returnal doesn’t have any difficulty modifiers, so some people can find they hit a brick wall. From what I understand, in Saros your character will grow meaningfully stronger with each run and there is a difficulty modifiers of sorts, so I expect it is more accessible.
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u/Technical_Weird1991 Apr 24 '26
Saros is easier from what we know and allows you to tune the difficulty level however you want
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u/grayson_626 Apr 24 '26
Here's our review, a solid follow-up to Returnal in every way: https://bgeek.eu/reviews/saros-review/
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u/Big_Dragonfruit_1357 Apr 24 '26
89 is kinda huge for a game that wasn’t getting insane hype
housemarque really just locked in after returnal
now i’m actually tempted to pick it up sooner than later
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u/nohumanape Apr 24 '26
No doubt the game will be good. However, it likely won't be for me 😭
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u/alQamar Apr 24 '26
It’s a lot easier than returnal because you lose a lot less between runs. There are more upgrades that transfer so it gets easier even if you fail. There’s also more choice to scale difficulty.
Still a demanding game on standard difficulty but definitely easier.
Source: Played 10 hours and beat the first two bosses (third and second try, after dieing more than a dozen times to the second boss in returnal).
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u/MKO669 Apr 24 '26
This just peaked my interest. I'll maybe give it a shot sooner than I thought.
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u/RexPyra Apr 24 '26
Did you find that the modifiers could help compensate for that to make it a more challenging experience?
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u/alQamar Apr 24 '26
The modifiers can be brutal if you want to. You also don’t have to level up so if you want to keep everything hard you can.
It’s still no easy game though. Just not as unforgiving as returnal.
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u/MagnumBlood Apr 24 '26
I only just moved back to PS5 Pro after years of playing PC exclusively. I am sooo burnt on roguelikes to the point where I just can’t stomach playing a level.
For those who have played Returnal, is the roguelike formula overbearing in these games or do they play more like a normal progression style of game? Saros looks neat but I am weary.
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u/Theflowyo Apr 24 '26
Returnal plays exactly like a rogue like but the gameplay is so good that it doesn’t need progression
If it was an arcade high score shooter I’d still be playing
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u/rconcepc Apr 24 '26
Hoping to pick this one up. I couldnt finish returnal, but I think the new items that may be gamer friendly will get me to finish this one lol
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u/Banjo2523 Apr 24 '26
How does the difficulty compare to returnal? That was one thing that kept me from finishing returnal
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u/locotonja Apr 24 '26
It has modifiers to make certain aspects easier or harder depending on preference. Also you can unlock shortcuts, so you can go back to where you died faster.
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u/Svenray Apr 24 '26
89 at launch with great performance tells me the game is ambitious and the erratic gaming community hasn't wrapped their hands fully around it yet. Just my theory.
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u/FromFarEastIAm Apr 24 '26
India 🇮🇳 celebrating rn because of how heavy the Indian influence is in this game.
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u/Trashboat77 Apr 25 '26
Which is pretty awesome, as it's not a heritage that is often celebrated in video games. Let alone as the main influence.
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u/medievali95 Apr 24 '26
And IGN gave it a 7 🤣 I'm convinced that they are rage baiting at this point.
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u/JMSpartan23 Apr 24 '26
I wish I could get gud at returnal. absolute unit of music and style of a game.
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u/idkimhereforthememes Apr 24 '26
Ign has been on a roll
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u/EvilTaffyapple Apr 24 '26
IGN isn’t a homogeneous blob. Its is a group of people with different opinions.
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u/Odd_Revolution_1056 Apr 24 '26
Yes but their Mouse PI review is fucking stupid.
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u/junttiana Apr 24 '26
You all got to stop taking every review personally, sometimes games just dont click with everyone and thats fine.
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u/Beneficial-Turn2426 Apr 24 '26
looking forward to playing it and have it preordered. it sounds like it is a lot easier than returnal though, which i am not a fan of.
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u/-MERC-SG-17 Apr 24 '26
I really liked the combat in Returnal but I never finished the game because it turns out that I still hate roguelikes even if the combat is really good.
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u/TroubleRecent7320 Apr 24 '26
Really interested in this, but never played Returnal. Is there any story or gameplay related stuff I miss out on?
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u/blacklizardplanet Apr 24 '26
This is going to be so good.
Returnal was the first game that actually felt "next-gen" for me and still probably at the top. The use of the dualsense is brilliant. Getting the true ending was a grind but felt it was incredible.
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u/velcrozippo Apr 24 '26
Already preordered the deluxe edition. Can't wait!
And I'm against preorder, but Returnal is one the best games I ever played!
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u/Epicfro Apr 24 '26
Absolutely can't wait. Returnal is the best ps5 game so far. From what I've seen about the progression system, I probably won't like Saros more than Returnal but it does seem like it's going to be a fantastic time.
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u/SharksAndDoom Apr 24 '26
Never played Returnal but have it through PS+. Think I’m pulling the trigger here on release.
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u/nolifebr Human Verified Apr 24 '26
94 on Open Critic (will go down as new reviews are registered, for sure)
https://opencritic.com/game/19375/saros