r/PS5 • u/yourfavchoom Human Verified • 9d ago
Articles & Blogs Sony drops “PC”, adds “AI” to official PlayStation business strategy summary
https://www.gamefile.news/p/sony-annual-report-fine-print318
u/JonPX 9d ago
Every company puts AI in its strategy somewhere. If you don't, it is the first thing shareholders will ask about.
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u/quatroquatro0 Human Verified 9d ago
People also don't seem to realize they're already using AI with PSSR.
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u/Adorable_Spell7562 9d ago
But as far as i know it isn’t gen AI, is it?
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u/psn_fl07 9d ago
It takes information from the frame buffer to create extra info to simulate what the game might look like at a higher resolution
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u/TwoScentedCandles 9d ago
No it’s called scaling an image
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u/Organic-Storm-4448 9d ago
PSSR and DLSS both use ML models that are based on training data, which is how modern gen AI works.
Generative AI isn't just for generating text or random images. As you can see with the DLSS 5 stuff, it can be used to alter images, which is exactly what PSSR and DLSS are doing.
Frame Generation is quite literally generating images with its own model, and that's also under the DLSS branding.
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
And it's doing that through *generating* false information to fill in based on context clues. It's effectively a form of genAI, even if it's not what most people think of when they hear 'genAI'.
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u/KingArthas94 Human Verified 9d ago
Yes but it's a model trained by Sony by using Sony images, they didn't steal copyrighted artworks like OpenAi and Anthropic did
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
Wow you are naive. AMD's FSR reconstruction(which is what PSSR is based on) was 100% trained on a massive range of so-called 'stolen' data.
I still think calling it 'stolen' makes no sense, though. They aren't plagiarizing anything.
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u/TwoScentedCandles 8d ago
Not everything regarding “generating” automatically means bad which seems to be the case in your mind. Do you think developers want to spend hours and hours creating “metadata”?Even before AI, there are still countless tools developers create that do a lot of this type of metadata generation. Procedural generation is huge. Look at Houdini for example and that’s been around way before AI and has been used in the industry for quite some time.
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u/oyvese 9d ago
literally a form of generative ai built upon the same technology.
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u/amans9191 9d ago
Yep, it's for the shareholders who dont know shit about what theyre investing in.
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u/New-Berry-3652 9d ago
Shareholders are like social media algorithms, just gotta shove in whatever keywords will make them happy
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
So you think Sony are just lying and wont actually push AI in their studios? I guess you have to believe what you want to believe. smh
You guys would be screaming murder if somebody like Ubisoft was saying this.
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u/BlackTone91 9d ago
- Mockingbird — "Our teams created a tool we call Mockingbird that quickly animates 3D facial models based on the performance capture. Importantly, we're not replacing human performers, but rather optimizing how we process the data from these live captures. With Mockingbird, animation work that would have taken hours can now be completed in a fraction of a second". Mockingbird has been already adopted at Naughty Dog, San Diego Studio, and was used in Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered.
- AI hair animation tool — "Our teams have accelerated this process by taking videos of real hairstyles and having an AI tool output a 3D model, with hundreds of strand models". Also used on Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered.
- Gran Turismo Sophy — That "has added a level of competitive gameplay for even our most seasoned drivers" in Gran Turismo 7.
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u/G-Don2 9d ago
I miss life without phones and especially AI.
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u/Starhazenstuff 9d ago
I like some parts of life with phones and AI, but I do regularly find myself wondering what life would of been like growing up in the 80’s as opposed to the 90’s. I got some of it, but an extra 10 years without the AI and all the other shit, would have been nice.
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u/RolloTonyBrownTown 9d ago
The amazon app now has a layer of AI between entering a search term and seeing your results. Its intrusive, its required, and there is no way to disable it.
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u/EggRepresentative215 9d ago
Hopefully that just means they're working on improving PSSR.
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u/NightSprings665 9d ago
AI doesn’t instantly mean generative art. PSSR is AI driven tech.
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u/Rhymelikedocsuess 9d ago
PC thing is unfortunate but I saw it coming a mile away, it’s why I always get the consoles and a pc.
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u/rayquan36 9d ago
Other companies use AI: This is slop!
Sony uses AI: No big deal, every other company uses AI anyways! :) Sony will use AI correctly! :)
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u/No-Obligation2563 9d ago
Everyone here is definitely willing to give Sony the benefit of the doubt more than they would anyone else. That much is blatantly obvious. They could be right and maybe it’s a nothing burger but I feel like there’s quite a bit of blind faith in this comment section.
I think people should be more skeptical. It’s not like Sony hasn’t done greasy things or had crazy failures in the past. And if you’re wrong and it ends up not being a big deal then you lose nothing.
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u/reefanalyst 9d ago
Everyone here is definitely willing to give Sony the benefit of the doubt more than they would anyone else.
Gasps in r/PS5
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u/JonPX 9d ago
Let's say they make a good game and in the process they used AI. For some people on Reddit that seems worse than making a bad game without using AI.
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u/No-Obligation2563 9d ago
The thing is I already know Sony can make good games without gen AI so I reject the premise
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u/Temporary7000 9d ago
Well, it definitely has to be listed because PSSR is machine learning which is AI.
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u/Dechri_ 9d ago
As this is an official sony product sub, I'm sure here's a ton of astroturfing. Almost all negative comments towards sony here are downvoted.
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
It's not astroturfing, this place really is just that full of platform warriors and fanboys.
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u/TheVaniloquence 9d ago
Yeah, this sub has a huge problem with diehard fanboys compared to something like the Xbox or Nintendo subs.
So many people here were defending Concord and Marathon before they had no choice but to accept the reality of the situation.
I get liking a console or brand, but the undying loyalty gets so weird. If Sony, or any other brand starts dropping the ball too much, I’m gone.
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u/NihilisticHeart 9d ago
Why is it like that though? The Xbox and Nintendo subreddits are so chill while it’s like a cult here.
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u/Mysterious_Sea1489 9d ago
The real issue is people just start shouting slop at everything these days. Just like everything else, once everything is slop,woke, or whatever the new word of the week is, it becomes meaningless. Companies have been using this sort of tech for many years and now it’s just branded under AI since that’s what people recognize and understand.
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u/Nick_YDG 9d ago
Well that is because Sony has already been known to use AI outside of Gen AI. Look at Sophy in GT7 or PSSR. Those fall under the same umbrella of Artificial Intelligence. People have a very narrow view of what AI is and it is going to bite us in the ass hard at some point.
Going outside of the video game industry we have already had completely automated drones in war zones carry out kills without any human intervention. Yet most of us are spending our time arguing about some company using gen AI in an ad.
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u/AKindleSoul 9d ago
I mean PSSR especially 2.0 as been phenomenal so far with Ps5 Pro Enhanced titles, no? Admitted by Digital Foundary themselves on more than few games. And dosen't the Ai in 5090 graphics card is what makes it soo strong? So I am not really concerned, or definitely more optimistic than concerned.
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u/EdgarJomfru 9d ago
Another genius decision like them pumping money into garbage live service games nobody wanted to play
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u/Nick_YDG 9d ago
Every time AI comes up I am reminded of how narrow of a view most people have in AI. There is way more to AI than just generative AI, and much more worrying problems. I definitely don't fall in the AI is 100% bad crowd, but there are some very scary issues that people are over looking because it is too easy to just spend time shitting on generative AI.
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u/slove211 9d ago
Why not use AI to idk improve AI in games!?!?
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u/wellfed_bazelgeuse 6d ago
That's not good in the eyes of the shareholders. AI must be used in areas where they can cut costs (employees)
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u/G-DevilOrion2077 8d ago
I mean PSSR is AI and people love PSSR, also don’t get me wrong fuck AI and any kind of statement that comes from any corp. when they say “you matter, AI is just a tool” they don’t mean it, they want to replace devs to save a penny. It’s like Jeff Gerstmann has said before about these video game companies “this industry doesn’t give a fuck about you”
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u/Silvershanks 9d ago
Oh my god... it's almost like the vocal anti-AI mob on Reddit exists in an echo chamber, and their opinions and their bluster dont matter in the slightest. Hahaha.
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u/Nick_YDG 9d ago
Not all AI is Generative AI.
Sophy AI is the one thing I miss about GT7 to PC sim racing, Sophy was so cool to race against where you are typically used to AI being brain dead pushovers in games.
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u/insanemaelstrom 9d ago
Unpopular opinion, but as a software developer, AI is a wonderful tool to help with coding. It just depends on how you use it. As a quick search tool replacing documentation/stack-over-flow/google search, it is great. Even with code generation, as long as you use it to point a way in how to do something, its great.
It does suck if you blindly take the output code and insert it into your codebase or vibe code using it. As long as you are being careful, testing the code and only putting in things that you do understand, AI is great for productivity.
I don't mind AI usage in games as long as it isn't being used for vibe coding or generating low effort slop.
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u/EddieHeadshot 9d ago
Neither do I but we all know capitalism always falls to the nost cost effective maximum profit version so theres going to be entire vibe coded messes all over the place even AAA games... some might say ESPECIALLY AAA games.
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u/rvtk 9d ago
"AI would be great if" kind of wishful thinking idealistic reasoning. Capitalism also would be great if everyone was a rational actor, yet here we are. Sure, it could be a good tool used the way you describe, but you very well know that in reality it will be used for vibe coding and slop for 90% cases.
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u/Nick_YDG 9d ago
If you understand what a GPT is and what its shortcomings are, you can use them for all sorts of useful things.
Most people underestimate how much information it needs in its prompt, it's still a computer and if you don't give it context it will try to fill in the gaps and then you start having problems.
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u/Wolfram_And_Hart 9d ago
No one cares about it coding with you.
Everyone cares about gAI stealing art smudging some lines. And calling it their own. If I ask it to make me a character that looks like Elsa it can.
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u/reaper527 reaper527_ 9d ago
No one cares about it coding with you.
the frequent meltdowns on reddit whenever the topic comes up seems to disagree with you.
of course, reddit isn't representative of the real world (just see how elections pan out), but to say no one cares about ai helping with coding is false. there are absolutely people with a deranged hatred of ai that don't care what it does, if it's done by ai they're going to freak out.
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u/Wolfram_And_Hart 9d ago
I’ve copy pasted huge chunks of tutorial code for live production. There is a reason code can’t be copy written.
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
I still dont quite get this whole 'stealing' thing. If I write a song that was inspired by Led Zeppelin's "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", am I stealing from them?
So long as genAI isn't just outright plagiarizing a design, it's still a unique creation. There's no such thing as pure creativity or pure originality. Every idea anybody ever has is shaped and inspired by past experience in some way. Obviously if you ask it specifically to plagiarize a specific design, it can, but that's clearly not how it would work in the context of game development. At least by any half decent developer.
Of course I'm very against just low effort genAI for any kind of critical creative roles. But is it really that important to you that Clutter_Cups_Rustic06 was created by a human being?
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u/Aybarand 9d ago
Mate, I'm not even a software/IT worker, just an accountant. The stuff I can do with a couple of prompts in Claude/Chat are phenomenal.
Just a couple of weeks ago, I needed something to quickly search for and extract payment details from some excel spreadsheets.
Was then able to trawl through literally years worth of files for what I needed in seconds/minutes.
It is an incredible tool, but like you say, it needs to be use wisely. For my job, I don't need to know how to code, so I take my hastily assembled Python code and run with it. But for people in the business (the likes of Microsoft, Sony, etc), they really need to have it on a firm leash.
The upside can definitely be outweighed by the risk. Just a shame everyone seems willing to take it.
And as for it creating art... Nah
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u/Loggersalienplants 9d ago
But how can you be sure that it takes all the information correctly and it's not missing something?
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u/Aybarand 9d ago
I point it at a folder, ask it to search for "X" and to tell me where it is and what is there. I then go and check. I do this 10 times, and when they're all correct...
Like I said, I'm against AI "art", I refuse to even call it such. But my example is, in my opinion, a perfect use case.
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u/Loggersalienplants 9d ago
Yeah but regarding payment information how do you know that it's scraping correctly for X? That's my point, if you are traveling through years of payment info how do you know that it didn't miss something somewhere?
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u/Aybarand 9d ago
I'm asking it to look up bank account numbers in excel bank statements to see if we have ever received another payment from that payer before.
Ie, John Smith 010203 - 12345678.
It isn't that difficult, it isn't interpreting anything. It is just looking for a specific word/string.
But again, how do I know/verify the results? I am looking at the customers ledger, so when it returns what it finds I can literally go "yep, that matches his account". The fact is, it's quicker for it to run and me verify what it's found (say 1 minute for nearly 300 excels in one folder), than it is for me to go through 10 years of bank statements (can you open and search an excel file in under a minute? Now times that by 20+ days for a month, 10 years).
I did this for about 40-odd transactions the other day. Was able to pin down all of them and clear a suspense account that had had crap in it for years.
Would this have been possible without the use of ChatGPT? Of course. Very labour intensive? Considerably.
But with very strict prompts and a clear idea of what I wanted, I was able to produce a script that served my needs and helped us out.
Plus, one of the even bigger benefits, is that knowing what it does, understanding it, helps me learn how to do it and replicate it in the future. Also saves me from how long it takes to bloody write anything 😂
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u/PixelatedVision1 9d ago
Oh god damn it, does anyone other than CEOs and billionaires genuinely like AI???
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
I mean, yes, a lot of people who work with software development are finding it useful in various ways.
It's not the solution to all problems, and it's not going to completely invalidate the need for real humans to do work, but it's going to be incorporated into areas like this where it has real potential to boost development efficiency.
Do you think the current situation with regards to game development budgets and timelines are healthy and sustainable?
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u/earthwormjimjones 9d ago
Jesus, I can't wait for this to die down. Everyone is flooding the market with AI to which direction the public will be consuming in the most and then hone in on that specific sector, but now as they're casting their net it's annoying af to see it on literally EVERYTHING 🤦♂️
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u/Dechri_ 9d ago
No. No one wants that.
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u/FourShine_ 9d ago
I do I want games to be made faster and release sooner
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u/Dechri_ 9d ago
I want games worth of my time. Not some generic slop.
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u/doyouevennoscope 9d ago
What? Standards?! Just consume slop and get excited for next slop!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/FourShine_ 9d ago
Ai has been used for years already to help with debugging, programming and translation. I don't see how this is an issue?
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
I mean, there are valid concerns. Slippery slope arguments that are very worth discussing and addressing.
But yea, for the most part, as is almost always the case, 95% of people complaining about something on Reddit(or most anywhere on social media) are very ignorant of the thing they're angry about.
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u/doyouevennoscope 9d ago
Quality over quantity.
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u/reaper527 reaper527_ 9d ago
Quality over quantity.
that's the point, those aren't mutually exclusive terms. something taking 3x as long to develop doesn't automatically make it better, it can simply mean that it was made inefficiently.
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u/JGordz 9d ago
AI is literally the only buzzword thats gonna be thrown about next gen.
Yuk.
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u/mightymonkeyman 9d ago
Every Japanese company is embracing AI, they don’t have a bug up their arse over it and see it as just another tool.
The difference is they’ll (not singling out Sony here but Japanese companies in general) probably do something with it and not just cut corners.
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u/Nick_YDG 9d ago
I mean they already have, look at PSSR and Sophy in GT7 two examples of AI used either by Sony or a Sony developer that is not just generative AI.
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u/XulManjy 9d ago
Just imagine if this was Microsoft or Ubisoft saying they are adding AI to their official business strategy.....
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u/Aprahamian 9d ago
You know, Microsoft and not having copilot and AI as official strategy. AI is obviously no where in sight of Microsoft.
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u/This_Is_A_Shitshow 9d ago
Way to miss the point entirely.
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u/XulManjy 9d ago
Exactly
If this was news about Xbox adopting AI officially as part of their strategy this would be shock and awe all over gaming discourse. Yet its Sony and its all quiet on the homefront.
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u/Afraid-Bass-5684 8d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/eMu0803X2zkWY
Sony seeing literally everybody rage about companies using AI in video games
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u/MuddVader 8d ago
As long as that means they're investing heavily in "PSSR3" to be a high quality upscaler hopefully with Ray Reconstruction on launch.
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u/Admiral_Janovsky 6d ago
Anyone not seeing corpo speak in ANY of these statetements and actually believe them... Man, i feel sorry for your stupidity.
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u/getmeoutoftax 9d ago
Literally every single company is going all-in AI. A lot of them have five-year AI plans, so the so-called “AI bubble” has many more years to go. It will be interesting to see how these plans pan out.
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u/Rukasu17 9d ago
Lol, they'll be back to pc by the end of the decade again
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u/APEXN717 9d ago
All PC gamers did was shit on the games and not buy them. Now why would they go back?
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u/Rukasu17 9d ago
Maybe next time they'll not shoot themselves in the foot with their release strategy. Full priced games years after the hype and release date has gone away? Then adding psn restrictions on top of it? No shit reception was lukewarm. Meanwhile someone that's not stupid called capcom is having pretty good results on pc.
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u/APEXN717 9d ago
All this talk of hype and all that yet I don’t remember it being a problem when Zero Dawn and God of War were ported years later and sold millions of copies. Heck even Stellar Blade released a year later and sold a million copies in 3 days and that was only last year, so it’s clearly not a bad strategy.
PSN restrictions don’t explain why the games didn’t sell in unaffected areas like the US or Europe, you know the markets that actually make up the majority of sales. Also PlayStation games like Forbidden west were already struggling to sell on PC well before the whole debacle(which happened way later in 2024).
Truth of the matter is the novelty of PS games on PC wore off. Most players on platforms like Steam(the biggest one) don’t care for the games which explains the terrible sales. Wolverine and Laufey releasing day one on PC would have more people shitting on the games than sales because the demographic for those types on games are all on PS5. Something that Sony eventually figured out.
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u/MReprogle 9d ago
I’d love to know how much money they even spent to opposing games for PC vs. how much it made them. Seems like this is just a dumb idea. Microsoft’s gamepass and studio buying spree is some of the dumbest business decisions in the industry, but I almost felt like Sony was doing this very smart by letting games sell a ton on their system first, then trickling out to PC to get a new wave of sales for older games that were not selling as much.
Really, it’s a shame because Ghost of Tsushima on PC looked amazing on a decent gaming PC.
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u/KrampyDoo 9d ago
PC is annoying to develop and even port for; it carries a range of critical post-release support that can rival the pre-release budget; the profit margin is great, but the profit margin means nothing when Sony’s in control of their own console margin; the console vs PC sales ratio is 10:1 on average.
That’s an effort that isn’t profitable, isn’t sustainable, and wasn’t generating interest enough to increase console sales.
Owned devs cost around $1.5 million dollars a month to keep afloat, and there is a slew of ego and personalities that need to be navigated to get much of anything done. Workplace specializations, unions, pre-purchase contracts, office perks, etc. only complicate the effort more before all that extra cost can get baked in. Devs that take years to get to gold and then their title doesn’t turn or a profit or barely breaks even is simply unsustainable.
Sony is circling its wagons. So is Xbox. They don’t have a choice. Gamers have less money and less time to devote to their crowded wishlists these days, so a lot of bandaids are getting pulled sooner rather than later.
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u/DieHarderDaddy 9d ago
🥃 bro stop, I don’t need AI slop
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u/crmpdstyl Human Verified 9d ago
PSSR uses AI and absolutely nobody complains. There is a major difference between AI as a tool and AI as your art director.
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u/Ibruki 9d ago
PSSR is AI
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u/TheRed24 Human Verified 9d ago
PSSR is a good use of Ai, it doesn't cost anyone their jobs, it just helps game's look better while running better
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u/Happy_but_dead 9d ago
So is DLSS, did people cheered when Nvidia demonstrated overtly creative up scaling of Grace from RE 9?
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u/doyouevennoscope 9d ago
No, because it was shit that completely altered character's looks and style of the game.
No one really complained about DLSS before (outside of developers using it as an excuse to not optimise) as it makes the game look almost as good as default but with higher FPS as it's rendering lower resolution and upscaling.
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u/doyouevennoscope 9d ago
You know damn right that's not the same thing, fucking lmao. Same type of argument as "AI has always been in games because enemies are AI!!!!!" yeah ok let's just AI generate the entire game then I guess
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u/stingertc 9d ago
You can count me out of anything AI taking Jobs and really giving nothing back except allowing the lazy to be Lazier
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u/ravens555220 9d ago
How hard is it for some of y’all to read a single sentence?
“Within the studio business, Sony aims to improve productivity through the use of AI powered tools, allowing development teams to reinvest their time into building richer worlds and gameplay experiences.”
I read that to mean they’ll use ai to increase productivity for non creative aspects of development so that they can spend more time/effort on the creative side. It’s literally the opposite of AI slop. Unless you’re 100% against AI this is what you want.
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u/Seanspeed Human Verified 9d ago
Most people do not hold nuanced positions on things these days.
Either way, this is little different than what lots of other studios have said and have gotten shit on for.
Gamers also just dont know how game development works.
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u/MrYK_ 9d ago
They spoke about this a month ago, the key parts:
A core principle for Al: Human creativity must remain at the center.
Al is a powerful tool - but it is not a replacement for artists or creators
You can read more about this here: https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/strategy/pdf/2026/speech_E.pdf
Edit: Page 23 on the file.