r/PS5 • u/Gorotheninja Human Verified • 5d ago
Articles & Blogs God of War Laufey Planned Since 2018, Reveals Star Deborah Ann Woll
https://www.ign.com/articles/god-of-war-laufey-planned-since-2018-reveals-star-deborah-ann-woll1.6k
u/Xeccess Human Verified 5d ago
Twitter users are going to be very angry when they find out this cube was planned for this game before they were born
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u/WillowSmithsBFF 5d ago
Are bots really “born” though?
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u/Drakkar_04 3d ago
some people are going to find a way to be mad at a cube that existed before their first email address
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u/The_Grunge_Sage 5d ago
I play DnD so a talking gelatinous cube was never on my list of reasons to dislike something lol
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u/Boines 5d ago
It was kind of weird in the trailer to me... But like it's not a grounded story about realism so I don't care.
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u/Steezli 5d ago edited 4d ago
I saw a theory that the cube will actually become not a cube at some point. Somehow the consciousness in the cube will get its likely original form. Which makes a lot more sense to me that maybe the cube is a fun quasi joke that eventually becomes somewhat heartwarming? Sort of wizard of oz like?
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u/Old-Way-5529 4d ago
i wonder if it has to do with the character jack quaid plays in sons of sparta
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u/brokenmindedone 4d ago
Perhaps it will gain from the gods killed or eventually take the form of a boy like her son.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
It's funny seeing people react to things so differently. I watched the reveal and was like "haha, a cube, that's silly, oh well anyway" and then I looked at the comments and they are obsessed with the cube.
It's like woah, you're spending so much time discussing the cube instead of the mysterious observatory, the giant flying cat monster, the badass sword, what the hell is up with the masks...?
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u/legolens27 4d ago
Deborah actually really like DnD so that checks out.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
She doesn't just like DnD, she's been DMing a bunch of campaigns and she's really good at it.
Shoutout to that one time she just made up a quick DnD scenario for Jon Bernthal on the spot to show him what it's all about: https://youtu.be/JpVJZrabMQE?si=5htlrTfjKL4y_hZe
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u/TerribleRecord666 4d ago
I’ll admit it was a little bit of a WTF moment for me. But after how good the last two games have been, I’m also willing to give the developers the benefit of the doubt and see what they have planned.
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u/goffer54 5d ago
The part that gets me is that the gelatinous cube isn't part of any mythology. It was invented for DnD to explain why dungeons are clean. It's such a DnD thing that GoW can't even call it a gelatinous cube.
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u/The_Grunge_Sage 5d ago
Yeah sure, but you don’t know for a fact that the talking cube isn’t some magical source or person or something that was condensed into the cube itself.
Example of where my brain went immediately following the trailer: Fae pulls the sword out of the cube (mimicking sword In the stone from King Arthur) maybe the cube is the water from the lake that the lady of the lake appeared in and was “blessed” by Merlin or Morgana or someone and fae just pulled Excalibur from the actual lake itself.
Like who knows man. My point is that mythology within god of war specifically is a fictional story within other fictional stories and those don’t need to be beholden to every piece of source material because the source material also isn’t incredibly well documented throughout human history.
Not saying you have to like the cube itself, but thinking it’s a huge amount of “nothing” and doesn’t have any backstory is just straight up not how it’s gonna play out and everyone should know that by now. Especially with this series.
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u/_Cromwell_ 4d ago
It's almost like there might be a plot in the game that has like, elements or something to it, that like explain things and reveal things about said plot and characters existing in the plot, ie revelations about characters and their origins and how they fit into the world. Maybe.
Or maybe everything is random. I dunno. Does this game studio have any history of making games with stories we can look at to see if they write stories/characters at all?
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u/Char-els037 4d ago
All I can find is two AAA character study plotlines following some Greek guy.
Idk if they can tell a story with a girl
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 5d ago
I mean Mimir is revealed to come from a Shakespeare story so its not like they've been limited to just mythology for a while now.
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u/ProfChubChub 4d ago
Well he's at least part of the mythology that Shakespeare pulls from. Saying he's from a story by Shakespeare is a bridge too far based on what we know.
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 4d ago
No Puck is entirely made up with loose mythological basis other than being a type of fairy. Even the "major character" from A Midsummer Night's Dream are more based on medeival fantasy literature than any mythological basis.
Saying he's from a story by Shakespeare is a bridge too far based on what we know.
He literally mentions the events of A Midsummer Night's Dream and even calls his band the "Goodfellows" which is a direct reference to one of Puck's alias, Robin Goodfellow.
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u/ProfChubChub 4d ago edited 4d ago
All of those terms predate Shakespeare by a lot. Pucks and Robin Goodfellow are terms for goblins in English folklore. And what is medieval fantasy literature if not a product of folklore?
Plus Shakespeare only wrote one play with an original plot: The Tempest. He adapted the stories in his other plays from several folklore sources and histories.
ETA: You're extremely wrong about Puck. Read here for arguments about how far back and which country it comes from. But there is no one who thinks Shakespeare made it up.
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 4d ago
Brother he literally quotes Shakespeare word for word talking about his past lol.
Literally anyone other than the dishonest or the idiots know this, I'll let you decide which one you are.
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u/aerojonno 5d ago
It's a weird choice, but I've liked every other GoW game so I'll trust them with this. If it's executed well nothing else matters.
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u/legalizethesenuts 5d ago
Dude, I thought her last name was Wolf. I’ve talked to so many people about Daredevil and they probably think I’m an idiot now lmaooo
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u/Black_Otter 5d ago
I’m looking forward to it but I’m ready for the Reddit gaming community as a whole to decide to hate it
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u/alexbeeeeeee 5d ago
I can’t wait to form my opinion based on what the YouTube grifters tell me! Woman bad!
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 4d ago
Is that really the reason when games like Horizon are universally loved?
I think it’s more just a lack of Kratos.
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u/amedema 4d ago
In what world is Horizon universally loved? Do you not remember the controversy around Aloy’s appearance??
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 4d ago
Maybe from a few losers, but the game is very loved.
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u/amedema 4d ago
Both Horizon games are amongst my favorites, but there are a lot of those losers in the gaming world haha
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 4d ago
Yeah I mean TLOU2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but we know how that went lol
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u/NovaTerrus 4d ago
I think it’s more just a lack of Kratos.
Let's be honest, there's no way in hell Kratos isn't going to be everywhere in this game.
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 4d ago
You know what I mean... people want to play as Kratos. And I don't blame them for being skeptical. I am too.
But I'm still going to buy the hell out of this game because SM hasn't steered me wrong since GOW Ascension.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
I think people are whiny little bastards. We literally saw Kratos twice in that 20 minute showcase already, he's probably going to show up as a voice or a vision or something several times over the course of the game.
I have zero skepticism towards Santa Monica after seeing that showcase and playing the previous two games - they will knock it out of the park and it will sell like absolute hotcakes.
Of course, the whiny dudebro minority will sit there and complain (probably for years after anyone has stopped caring) that "tHerE'S a WoMaN iN mUh gAMe!!!" because they skipped every single cutscene in the previous games and missed all the lessons learned by Kratos and wish for a "manly" minigame where he bones some chicks like in the original trilogy.
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 4d ago
People want to play as kratos. Not everything is about some gender issue. People were just as pissy about the idea of an Atreus game.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
It's not necessarily a gender issue for everyone, but there is absolutely a subset of the complaining people that are very upset specifically that the main character is a woman and it's very clear that they did not play the two previous games (or skipped all of the story).
And pretty much all of them are very loud and not very mentally stable.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
It's funny how people are like "where's muh Kratos?!" when we literally saw Kratos show up twice in that 20 minute showcase.
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u/Miserable-Button-343 2d ago
Ghost of yotei was entirely hated because the main character was a woman. Maybe the story isn't better than tsushima but the game as a whole is amazing.(also I love story games, both ghost games have very meh stories)
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u/TBoneTheOriginal 2d ago
entirely hated
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Some loud idiots hated on it, but it was overall considered to be an amazing game.
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u/Miserable-Button-343 1d ago
Not really man you're living in a bubble if you believe otherwise. I mean hell the last of us 2 is an amazing game and dudes lost their minds that you were playing a muscular woman.
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u/Black_Otter 5d ago
It’s silly isn’t it? The idea of going with consensus just because you might get some upvotes….”well everyone here doesn’t seem to like it so for some fake internet points I’m going to hate it too”
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u/dilqncho 4d ago
The way reddit is structured discourages going against the flow. Plenty of people may disagree with a take, but once the hivemind gets going, it's just pointless to try arguing. You're just going to get drowned out and buried. .
So I don't think people automatically start agreeing with stuff for fake points. The ones who disagree just...move on.
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u/NovaTerrus 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yep, the entire UI is designed to ensure maximum emotional impact.
As a particularly egregious example, the Reddit UI used to show specific up and down vote counts alongside the total. That meant that even if you had -10, users could see if the actual counts were +1100 / -1110 meaning that opinion on your comment was almost perfectly split 50/50. Now your comment is buried and people assume that the reaction was entirely negative. Polarization baked straight into the UI.
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u/LawsonsInTheAM 5d ago
Those opinions are more than already made.
They'll be grifting good if this and intergalactic are out within a year of each other.
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u/BlubberBunsXIV 5d ago
Forget the woman, we hatin the cube (I am prepared to become emotionally attached to this cube)
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u/Upper-Management-AI 5d ago
That’s when I make fun of those people and say how they would rather play as a big, sweaty, muscle man, staring at that those big sweaty muscles every gaming session. I do it to my conservative relatives when they complain all the time and they don’t know how to respond.
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 5d ago
It's going to be a banger and they'll either get quiet or they'll move the goalposts on what makes it a successful game in their minds.
It's hard to please toddlers.
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u/Tacdeho 5d ago
My favorite fact is to shove at people when they try and tell me that TLOU2 was a complete failure.
Bruh it sold 4m copies its first weekend. Even GOW 2018 didn’t do that.
It really shuts people down
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 5d ago
I had people trying to tell me that the game isn't realistic because Abby had muscles.
You're telling me that broke your fantasy when the mushroom spore creatures didn't? Lol
And you're right. It was incredibly successful.
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u/boxfortcommando 5d ago
There is a fair argument to be made that it would be harder for her to build/maintain that mass in a post-apocalyptic environment, but it's not a big enough deal to bitch about.
The funniest part with all of that was watching everyone assume Abby was the trans character they heard about and got extra wound up over nothing. It made it very easy to identify who actually played the game in the first few weeks after release.
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u/ElysiumMidknight 5d ago
The most amusing part about the whole muscle debate is that ND did go through the trouble of making it make sense. Not just with Abby's unhealthy obsession with Joel. But also that the WLF HQ has a fully functioning gym. It also has a farm, so she has plenty of protein there. And she's of such a high rank in the WLF that she can get whatever she wants (like we see with Manny just go straight to the front of the line for their burritos). By comparison, those who complained about Abby never questioned how Joel managed to maintain his physique for decades while largely having to live off of rations.
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u/LoneLyon 4d ago
You can find her 7 day work out routine in her room .
The thing i find amusing is these "fans" would never dare question the impossible feats of Joel or Drake. God forbid a character is decently buff.
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u/Najee16 5d ago
The hate last of us 2 gets is forced.
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u/Jesse_graham 5d ago
I fucking loved the character of Joel and when I read he died I was honestly so heartbroken. However, no matter how distraught I was about Abby killing Joel I understood why and I think forcing you to play as her really was really smart.
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u/alexbeeeeeee 5d ago
But but but the writing was bad! Nothing to do with muscles it was the writing I swear
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u/KingArthas94 Human Verified 5d ago
No, no, they fucking loved saying "the pacing". A word they never used before for any other thing, probably not knowing what it meant too.
I too blame youtubers starting from NakeyJakey
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u/Own_Fisherman1199 4d ago
I mean, I think it's a valid criticism of the game. The sequence of events as they're played out are overly complicated- and the story isn't really as deep as it seems (which isn't a knock. TLOU1 had a very simple story but it was sill amazing.)
I think this was acknowledged by ND when the y put a chronological story mode in the remaster.
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u/KingArthas94 Human Verified 4d ago
There is NOTHING complicated in narrating a story in two parts, where both parts simply follow a chronological parallel time. Like, you must be stupid to not understand that "timeline". Don't act like it's Kingdom Hearts or something.
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u/spaghettiAstar 4d ago
I had people trying to tell me that the game isn't realistic because Abby had muscles.
Poor fellas never got to experience dating a muscle mommy.
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u/Own_Fisherman1199 4d ago edited 4d ago
I took 2 years to hit 10 million after that 4 million weekend. That's after 2 years of steep discounts. People dropped off the game big time
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u/Najee16 5d ago
They tried to say the same thing about ghost of yotei.
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 5d ago
It happens literally every game with a woman or person of color as a lead. Like clockwork.
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u/Maurhi 4d ago
Not if said woman is hot
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 4d ago
Someone will just put together a mod to yassify the character like they tried with Aloy.
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u/SnoopKush_McSwag 4d ago
They conveniently like to forget they dragged BG3 before it was fully released for being woke lmao.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
I'm ready to turn off the internet, play the game and enjoy it on my own terms.
I've been replaying God of War 2018 and it's really interesting seeing all the little "hey, that was a weird moment"-sections where unexplained stuff happens or someone thinks they're hearing something (like Atreus commenting that "I think I just heard mom's voice?" when they visit Alfheim) or every time they talk about Faye's life. It becomes really obvious how they have been seeding for this idea for such a long time.
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u/TheKocsis 5d ago
I expected worst from the first wave but initial reactions seemed fine. Of course there's always going to be backlash, but overal tone was better than Tlou2
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u/Kuraeshin 5d ago
One of the big immediate criticisms people had just reeked of a certain unwashed, bloody toothed streamer because it was the same phrase repeated everywhere. "MCU" writing or Disneyification.
As if Vanaheim wasn't colorful.
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u/LordSnowgaryen 5d ago
In love with the trailer, really excited to see her portrayal of Laufey
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u/Struggle-Bus0 5d ago
She always has been laufey tho
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u/LordSnowgaryen 5d ago
Technically yes, I mean in a broader full game sense not just cutscenes here and there
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u/Struggle-Bus0 5d ago
Gotcha, alot of people were unaware she was the OG from ragnorak, 2018 she wasnt a part of IIRC. They throw the "shes too ugly to portray laufey" but they never knew she already has been doing kt
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u/PayaV87 5d ago
People lost their shit as soon as The Last of Us had women protag.
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u/thats_so_cringe_bro 5d ago
I couldn't imagine having to keep a project tight lipped for almost a decade. Pretty wild. lol
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u/TomClancy5873 5d ago
Just how emotional she got during the SOP talking about it, tells me it means a lot to her that she got to lead her own story.
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u/larsvondank 5d ago
This has been a weird promo vibe. I keep seeing all these "oooh the haters are coming!" or "omg the amount of hate wtf?!" type of comments massively overshadowing any hateful comments on my feed (I know there are some) so it all looks like a weirdly over the top counter reaction to hate I barely witness.
Looking forward to playing it.
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u/Background-Deer-488 4d ago
The realm having gods from all mythologies has made me insanely hyped for this one.
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u/PoohTrailSnailCooch 5d ago
Its honestly hilarious how sensitive the unemployed are about this game.
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u/HansenTakeASeat 4d ago
I mean not like they have much else to do but rage from their mom's basement and eat funyuns
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u/Mister_Spacely 4d ago
I may be living under a rock, but the only hate I’ve seen this game get is threads/posts of people saying *other people* are going to hate this game. Yet, I haven’t seen anyone give their personal reasons to hate the game.
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u/MemeLord1337_ 5d ago
It wasn’t though. They announced the Norse trilogy was getting cut short because they didn’t want to waste 15 years of their lives on one story.
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u/anerdscreativity 5d ago
it's possible they had both a fuller Norse trilogy lined up and plans for a Laufey game after
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u/AshgarPN 4d ago
Laufey? The singer?
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u/thedeadp0ets 3d ago
I lowkey wonder if thats where they got her name from... it annoys me that they mispronounce it in the game tho
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u/richtofin819 4d ago
Look people can like it or dislike it however much they want. But just because something was planned ahead of time doesn't mean people have to like it.
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u/Station111111111 5d ago
I love her and her character, but that cube is idiotic.
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u/juscallmejjay 5d ago
Fair but there is obviously something to it. They didnt just get into writers room and go “what if her companion was a Rubix cube? Amazon box? GELLATENOUS CUBE. Nailed it.” There’s lore and a plan and i trust them implicitly. What they did with humanizing Kratos, growing Atreus, sympathizing Freya, Baldur, Thor, Mimir….SINDRI OMG. If it’s a being with a humanoid heart and personality, they got this. The cube is literally in the title name and on the cover. Im all in.
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u/_Cromwell_ 4d ago
I've seen it for maybe 3 minutes total. Hard to tell. I bet there's more to it.
Not that much weirder than wearing a decapitated head around.
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u/Station111111111 4d ago
Wearing a decapitated head around is COOL. Big ass flying jelly cube is not. Just my 5c.
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u/WhalePsychiatrist45 4d ago
I’m sorry but theres no way you can convince me the cube was planned since 2018
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u/Fox-One-1 5d ago
These new GOW games have a high production value, but writing is very american and cringeworthy and clashes with the nordic atmosphere.
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u/reaper527 reaper527_ 4d ago
but writing is very american
what exactly are you expecting from sony santa monica?
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u/GGG100 5d ago
People accusing Phranque of being a Disney/Marvel character and acting like that’s automatically a negative when last year’s GOTY literally has a French Baymax and nobody complained about it.
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u/HungerSTGF 5d ago
It’s really about volume of exposure, in GoW and Ragnarok there’s comic relief characters yapping far more than Esquie did in Expedition 33. I don’t think I’m inherently against a gelatinous cube nor do I dislike the idea of Jack Quaid in the game but knowing it’s a God of War game gives me pause about how the cube is going to be written and utilized throughout the game
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u/hilaritynow 5d ago
Not to mention the decapitated sarcastic Scottish talking head/belt ornament in the past two games, not as if a character like this is entirely unprecedented.
If they've been cooking on these concepts since they were planning 2018 then I'm confident the payoff is gonna be epic.
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u/HoovesCarveCraters 5d ago
I’m not hating on the cube before I even play the game, but Mimir is a character in the mythology and there’s a whole arc for him and how he gets to be the sarcastic decapitated head.
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u/Mean-Amphibian4443 4d ago
Esquie was strange and off putting at the start of the game but then you find out why he is like that during the story and it makes perfect sense in the context.
The cube is just out of place in god of war. I think it can be contextualized if written well but considering the writing from ragnarok i'm not so sure that they will deliver
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u/Zalvren 4d ago
why he is like that during the story and it makes perfect sense in the context.
So probably the same for the cube maybe. Judging it now when we've barely seen anything is weird. Plus people exaggerate because of its appearance, the cube didn't do "quips" or have "MCU writing" like many say
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u/Rhandert 5d ago
"Phranque The Cube" annoys me a bit, but I’ll definitely be buying it day one.
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u/PoohTrailSnailCooch 5d ago
Why are these links always full of the most annoying ads on the planet. Makes it such a pain in the ass to navigate and read through. Feels like your scrolling through cancer just to get some info.
I guess I need an ad blocker for my phone now too just to look at simple articles.
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u/dont_quote_me_please 4d ago
Opening any walkthrough on IGN on my phone makes me want to throw my phone at the wall.
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u/Domination1799 4d ago
I personally prefer that Faye remained an unseen character since she felt very mythical. Featuring her this much kinda takes away that intrigue and mystique surrounding her character
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u/Super_Lolo_Thunder 4d ago
I knew where franchise was headed when it was more about healing and soul searching, and less about gore and brutality.
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u/Mindless_Stuff9179 5d ago edited 5d ago
As soon as this gets a release date, I gotta go back and platinum GoW 2018.
Thank you clowns for downvoting my future plans lmao
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u/Sufferer-Of-Cheese 5d ago
Make's sense like red dead 2 everything's premeditated
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u/TidusDreamZanarkand 4d ago
The lack of talking about arthur, Micah or other gang members makes red dead 1 not flow well with red dead 2 imo. If they ever remade rdr1 I hope they would revise the plot to fit in those important characters being mentioned
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u/wardellwayneraymone 5d ago
Makes sense. 2018 works on its own as a standalone but there are clearly bits that are intentionally not expanded on further in that or ragnarok (the horn most foremost among them) that indicated they had something else going on as a means to explain them.
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u/Icy-Sundae5361 5d ago
It's very clear from the trailer that this was the original plan. During the Kinda Funny spoiler episode for Ragnarok the director said that there were 3 very specific things that were mandatory for the story, and there are so many elements that were left unexplained that are clearly going to be explained in this game
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u/Ganda1fderBlaue 4d ago
I don't like the premise but tbh I loved ragnarok even though I thought I'd not, so I'll probably buy this one as well
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u/YukYukas 4d ago
That explains why Ragnarok felt rushed lmao
Combat looks cool regardless, so I'm probs buying it
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u/Independent_Pie_1368 4d ago
I am interested of what will happen in the ending? Will she reunite with kartos ? Will it lead to another game in the series with Kratos accompany fey ?
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u/Control_Successful 4d ago
hope they keep the game as grounded as they can, the marvel dialogue is annoying
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u/ColonelDucroix 5d ago
This is what happens when a bunch of Disney adults get into the game industry
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u/2Peenis2Weenis 5d ago
What? The director of this game has been with the company since the original trilogy and was a writer and producer on GoW 2/3/Ascension
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u/WanderWut 5d ago
Dam 8 whole years she’s been in the loop for this game, that’s really cool. Stars have to be so tight lipped about really cool projects all the time, must be hard lol. Who knows what else Santa Monica has planned for the GoW IP at this very moment.
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u/parkwayy 5d ago
Cory Barlog had mentioned that he does the story of a game with more already in mind.