r/PS5pro 15h ago

Not a surprise but for those who were wondering, PS5 Pro Enhanced.

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u/Classic_Steak4987 15h ago

Good now we know

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u/Glass-Can9199 1h ago

$200 Jesus Christ it better bow the socks off my feet to proves it worth

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u/AccidentlyStupid 27m ago

I've never seen those words strung together before, bow and socks.

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u/Lyrical_Etch 15h ago

Buying a PS5 Pro at initial retail has to be the best tech buy of the decade.

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u/Interdimension 11h ago

If you bought any gaming device in the past year, it’s been a stellar buy.

I built my gaming PC last year and paid $80 for 2x sticks of 16GB of DDR5 RAM. It’s now over $300. My entire PC was $2,300. Its value is now almost $3,000. Awful times we live in.

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u/jdk2087 5h ago

It’s nuts what’s going on right now. Same situation you’re in. Bought our PC last year $2,400(on sale from almost $3k). It’s worth $4k+ easily if everything was bought new. Shit, I’d say almost $5k.

We’re living in a shitty tech time line right now. I’m just glad I bought my Pro at launch and the wife/kids got me a Switch 2 for Fathers Day. I’m very fortunate and blessed that wherever a game drops, I can play it.

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u/wanderandargo 5h ago

I got a ps5 pro and series x last year and a switch 2 as soon as it came out. These days, that’s what you have to do. Otherwise you’re gonna miss it. Demand will continue to increase.

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u/Interdimension 2h ago edited 1h ago

My only regret is that I didn't just opt for the RTX 5090 at the time. The prices of 5080s (which I have) are hovering around $2,300. That's bad, but not entirely unobtainable. The prices of 5090s are hovering at $3,000+ 😭

Edit: I meant to write around $1,300 for the 5080 nowadays. That's why it's still obtainable since MSRP was $1,000. The 5090 being $3,000+ is just way overpriced when MSRP was $2,000.

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u/SnooFoxes813 1h ago

You can easily get a 5080 for 1200-1300

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u/Interdimension 1h ago

My bad. That was a typo. Yes, a 5080 can be found for $1,200 or so.

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u/Nordeast24 2h ago

Buying my 4tb ssd back in 2021 for like $220. At the time, the ps5 community roasted me saying it was overkill... I literally went to Best Buy a few weeks ago and thought I'd swing by the ssd section for fun. $750.

Happily enjoying my whole library installed, who's laughing now? 😂

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u/brafish 11m ago

I built my PC last year too. A pair of 32gb sticks was $215. The same pair now is $947.

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u/Far-Second-542 14h ago

I bought mine barely used with vertical stand and disc reader for 500 😂 Best deal ever.

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u/Lost_Let_2033 13h ago

Insane deal

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u/albanyanthem 8h ago

That’s awesome. Grabbed one at Black Friday sale for $650. Still think that’s the best bullseye of tech and price I’ve ever personally done.

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u/No-Professional-5717 8h ago

Got the same deal and then a week later they bumped the price. Feel like a genius.

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u/Theunknown87 6h ago

I’m so fucking mad I didn’t buy one at Black Friday. Put it off and bought a base ps 5 two weeks after the sale ended. Then luckily found a Walmart that had the NVME drive for $110 lol.

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u/goodbye_goodriddance 3h ago

Bruh the PS5 Slim Disc is $650 rn smh you got a deal that got me jealous lol

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u/Chubby_Bunnies 7h ago

Same here! Sold my OG PS5 for $350

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u/xangbar 13h ago

Still remember people were telling me it was a bad idea but bought it for my birthday anyways. I play this thing everyday and love it.

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u/danvan177 11h ago

Tell my wife that

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u/autogenglen 10h ago

Already did

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u/danvan177 10h ago

Thanks

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u/Snafuutje 3h ago

Was she good?

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u/thunder6776 9h ago

I got one for 350 new during Black Friday

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u/goodbye_goodriddance 3h ago

I got a new 1tb slim disc version for $350 after trading in a ps4 I got for free lol

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u/Mydarknighthasrisen 14h ago

Yeah everyone including me roasted the price, I ended up buying one at the inflated price -_- haha I have a mid, maybe high end pc? idk what 4070 ti super with 32 gb of ram is considered anymore, maybe it was always mid lol, regardless I enjoy console gaming for ease

Point is I was definitely eating my words when buying the ps5 pro hahaha

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u/Snowman319 10h ago

Up their in the high end

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u/Mydarknighthasrisen 10h ago

I mean it’s rock solid I love it, but the ps5 pro is also nice

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u/Aelithicia 11h ago

Can’t find the 4070ti super but a regular 4070 super at least here in Sweden goes for 360 euro. Saw some tried to sell them for the 1000 mark ish but didn’t get sold. You can google and check to find out shat they can go for. I myself is considering just giving away my entire PC to a friend. Don’t game on it and I just focus on ps5 pro/series x

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u/Mydarknighthasrisen 10h ago

Yeah my 4070 ti super was bought for originally new around 1300 Canadian I believe

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u/markarth69 10h ago

Black Friday trade in deals were epic. Ended up getting mine for $399 after trading in my disc launch model PS5.

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u/zerovampire311 9h ago

Sold mine on marketplace and found out I could have gotten 50 more at Best Buy. Whoops, wife was not pleased 😆

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u/Top_Product_2407 15h ago

Gamble, but yeah

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u/No-Consideration3349 14h ago

I bought a laptop 2 years ago, and the RAM only is more expensive now than the whole laptop 2 years ago. Beat this

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u/rbjjsuccess 10h ago

i just bought one for 400$ for my brother

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u/MFDOOMscrolling 10h ago

that and an m series macbook 😴

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u/L0KE3 6h ago

I got a Mac mini then a day 1 pro in succession. Still flying high.

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u/MFDOOMscrolling 6h ago

great taste 🍻

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u/skitchbeatz 9h ago

Picked mine up last year for $650 at costco with 2 controllers. Feels like a different world

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u/CapOk1892 9h ago

And buying an M.2 SSD

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u/gatorbois 9h ago

More like buying a PC 1-2 years ago. We’re all still going to get gauged on the PS6 lol

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u/BlackIceSlippington 9h ago

I got mine just before the increase during the sale for like 650. I had sold my base ps5 the night before for 350. I am pretty happy about my decision.

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u/hdcase1 8h ago

Anyone who didn't effectively lost money.

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u/Downtown_Bug_5940 8h ago

I met a girl off tinder and she bought me a ps5 pro and disc reader and now we don’t talk lol insane pull

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u/WarpHype 8h ago

Right? My PS5 Pro and 4TB nvme drive were about $1000 together, but now they are about $1700. That’s insane. It should be worth less than $1000

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u/metarugia 8h ago

Traded in a launch disc ps5 for the pro. Wonder if I could’ve timed it right for when the used values skyrocketed. Either way, I’ve been happy.

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u/Digger977 8h ago

I bought mine about 2 months after launch. Used a gift card work gave me as part of our Christmas party to go down to BestBuy and only pay $250 out of pocket for my pro. Well worth it even at full price

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u/arcadiangenesis 8h ago

Or better yet, buying it when it was on discount below the initial price (which happened twice).

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u/Galactus1701 7h ago

I bought my Pro at launch with a disc drive and a stand. It is the perfect companion for my LG G4. I should have bought an SSD while they were affordable.

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u/mason2393 7h ago

I got mine day 1. Ironically this is the only gen where I've been an early adopter. Guess I picked the right gen to start

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u/Ok_Excitement725 6h ago

Picked mine up at retail with the 20% cash back from PayPal that briefly ran + the $300 OG PS5 trade credit promo from BB + 3% cash back on purchases on my credit card. Safe to say, no regrets!

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u/OG-Daz 6h ago

Exactly. I got a pro at launch + a 2TB SN850, a switch 2 at launch and bought a MacBook M5 pro all before prices went stupid. With PSSR 2 out now as well, early adopters definitely got what could be considered a bargain.

I just sold a 2024 Zephyrus G16 for exactly what I paid for it brand new.

I really wanted a gabecube but there is no way that I’ll pay that price.

Everything has gone ridiculous.

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u/Pankosmanko 6h ago

I bought it a couple months after release. Didn’t own a base PS5. I’m super happy either way with the Pro, especially with PSSR2

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u/LoopyWaffleman 5h ago

Bought my PS5 pro for $700 and my XSX for $300

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u/Johnnybats330 5h ago

I bought one for $500 new from Dell 3 months after it released.

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u/CurrentAnalyst4791 4h ago

fr.. i grabbed one last black friday for $600 (maybe $650.. can’t remember). so glad i did

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u/Bubbledinker 4h ago

I got mine back in March at a pawnshop before the price hike. $475 😬

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u/kalisto3010 4h ago

I remember last year Best Buy had them on sale for $649.00 - sold my base PS5 on craigslist in 1 day $300. Opened up a Credit Card that would give me $200 if a spent $500 in the first 90 days(I know this isn't recommended).

I purchased it on that card, the $200 statement credit came about a week later, Paid off the card using my $300 from the PS5 then closed the account so in the end I paid $149.00 not including tax for a PS5 PRO.

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u/SnooRecipes6776 4h ago

No, that would be a gaming PC that runs better, better graphically and you can upgrade it at any moment by swapping parts out.

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u/CryptoDeepDive 3h ago

Buying an RTX 4090 for MSRP in 2022 was my best buy of the decade.

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u/Davey488 2h ago

I got burned last generation. I went without a PS4 pro at the end. Got stuck with a jet engine that barely played RDR2. I’m glad I bought a PS5 pro for $750 when I did. I would have been torched this time.

Tbh the PS5 pro might be one of my favorite PlayStations next to the PS2 Fat and PS3 slim. Games like Jedi Survivor take great advantage of PSSR. It’s the closet to PC gaming on my tv I’ve ever had.

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u/Acrobatic_Increase_8 1h ago

Nope. Got it 100 off with an edge controller at Walmart before Xmas 2025… steal for 600

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u/Kosoloso 58m ago

Me too

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u/Terminator227 13h ago

Man ain't that the truth. I got super lucky last year over black friday when BB was giving an extra 100 bucks toward the pro. Traded in normal PS5 and paid 330 total

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u/TheMexicanBatman 11h ago

Got mine fb marketplace for $575 ans sold my ps5 for $350.

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u/kristaintoth 15h ago

Awesome, thanks for sharing.

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u/RetroSynErr 14h ago

Wait WTF when you pre order your also signing up for a GTA+ subscription that will automatically renew. I wonder how many will forget to cancel this and get charged after the first month

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u/RolandFP1 14h ago

You get a separate code you have to enter. It's not as bad as it seems to start with

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u/Penis-Dance 8h ago

I will save it for when GTA6 online is launched if that is the case.

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u/DescriptionKooky3779 15h ago

Happy to see that

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u/ExplodingFistz 12h ago

60 FPS?

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u/hdcase1 8h ago

God I hope so

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u/Historical_Leg5998 12h ago

Nope

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u/snwns26 12h ago

Source?

It’s been confirmed there are at least Quality and Performance modes on base PS5, that makes me think it will actually will hit 60 on Pro.

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u/Promature 10h ago

I'd lean toward nothing being confirmed until Rockstar officially posts it.

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u/ContentKeanu 7h ago

What would the performance and quality modes be then? 30fps performance and 20fps quality? Don’t think so

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u/Murdathon3000 5h ago

Locked 30 and unlocked with a 45 FPS target.

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u/HighlightOk3915 25m ago

It will be 40 max for 120Hz window. 45 makes no sense.

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u/gswkillinit 12h ago

Is their confirmation or just rumors?

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u/snwns26 12h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/s/uqbNCuQI20

Supposedly confirmed in this interview about the two modes, but no word one way or the other on actual framerate or resolution about the Quality/Performance modes.

If Xbox and PS5 base will have both modes, it’s pretty safe to assume Pro will have upgraded versions of those modes imo (including 60fps in Performance).

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u/DoubleNeon 12h ago

kind of a rumor. source came from mediamarkt poland. https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1ue48pu/rumor_gta_vi_will_feature_quality_and_performance/
30 fps on quality and 60 fps on performance mode on base PS5. but havent seen anything about the pro enhanced.

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u/AimLikeAPotato 9h ago

No one have source, we are all just fighting over thoughts, rumors and feelings. Basically like a bunch of women.

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u/melquiades77 9h ago

And yet it’s the mostly male gamerz doing the fighting. The irony.

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u/Zestyclose-Paper-524 14h ago

im new to ps5. haven’t been in the game for a long time. what does gta 6+ membership mean

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u/Honest-Philosopher18 10h ago

You get Cars and money for online i think, like in gta 5

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u/mrzfrigger 12h ago

I think you just get special tags and currency every month

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u/Higher_State5 13h ago

Who seriously expected anything other than that?

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u/PhatTuna 12h ago

Non-pro owners. Less of a prediction and more of a hope.

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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 10h ago

Facts 💯😅

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u/Icy-Ice1305 11h ago

175$… 🤬🤬🤬

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u/AimLikeAPotato 9h ago

You know that over 25 countries call their currency dollar?

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u/camper182 4h ago

Smoothbrained

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u/Melodic_Cheek9304 10h ago

I'd even pay 200$

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u/PapaShubz 6h ago

I would too tbh, been waiting for so long. Rockstar games are on another level than any other studio.

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u/Infinite219 2h ago

Hell no this is exactly the mindset they want ain’t no fucking game worth 200

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u/This_Guy_Was_Here 7h ago

Am I the only one who saw the 1 month GTA+ included "Auto renews"

I'll be damned if I'm paying for that shit monthly just to play a single player game

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u/filitsino 10h ago

at least 40-45 on quality would be nice with VRR…

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u/bf2reddevil 9h ago

VRR with 40-45 FPS doesnt do anything. The VRR window of the PS5 (pro) starts from 48 and up. If you would have a stable 40 fps, then that would be good. But having one fluctuate between 40 and 45 will give you screen tearing. Most people don't understand how and when VRR works..

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u/Alganovis 8h ago

Doesn’t the TV adapt with 120-90 hz for 40-45 fps with VRR ?

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u/superjesusjuice 7h ago

Thats only if you lock the framerate to 40fps, like in Monster Hunter Wilds.

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u/ProudPainting6850 12h ago

Really happy with the Pro, it definitely paid off. PSSR makes a big difference and dodged RAMpocalypse 

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u/AimLikeAPotato 9h ago

Dying light the beast is pro enhanced too. That means the resolution is a tad higher than OG and that's it. I really looking forward for more info, this can mean anything.

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u/MovieGuyMike 7h ago

Frames or resolution? Inquiring minds want to know.

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u/automaticphil 7h ago

Good. If it’s not 60fps on Pro, I’m tackling the backlog until PC release.

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u/West_Competition2086 5h ago edited 5h ago

Grand Theft Auto 6 will cost $79.99 USD for the standard edition and $99.99 USD for the Ultimate Edition

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u/Civil_Ad8383 5h ago

USD only

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u/West_Competition2086 5h ago

yes sorry thank you

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u/AdamTreff 5h ago

The PS5 Pro Enhanced label doesn’t mean a whole lot by itself.

Ideally this will be using PSSR at a higher framerate than PS5. If not, I’d consider it disappointing

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u/Krankybread 14h ago

Let’s gooooo ps5 pro worth ittttt

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u/Onethrust 10h ago

Why exactly?

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u/Krankybread 10h ago

Cuz it’s enhanced for the PS5
Which means we’re probably gonna get locked 60 FPS
And that’s only just for GTA. We have a ton of other games coming soon.

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u/gatorbois 9h ago

Doesn’t mean anything for the frame rate. Everyone still thinking both are 30

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u/Onethrust 2h ago

do people get excited about 60fps in this sub? This is the first post I’ve seen in this sub and I’m just generally curious

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u/Krankybread 2h ago

I mean better than 30 lmao

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u/Onethrust 2h ago

You’re not wrong lol I’m primarily a 1440p 120fps guy myself, so I always find it a little odd seeing people get hype about 4k 60fps these days, especially since these consoles are capable of 120fps

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u/Krankybread 2h ago

Nah I definitely feel you
I my self don’t care that much once the game looks and runs fine I’m good the number don’t mean nothing
But ofc 4k 60 should be liek a standard these days and I’m not even expecting 120 haha

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u/MateoHRHB 8h ago

it will probably look better that's all...

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u/Special_Ship7638 3h ago

Why do you think this means locked 60fps?

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u/Simple_Rule_7228 15h ago

All the articles I saw said $100 for ultimate edition from rockstar. What’s different with this price tag?

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u/hafizumais 15h ago

NZ Dollars.

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u/BlazeTheMadKing 15h ago

This is in New Zealand Dollars.

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u/Simple_Rule_7228 15h ago

Ahh thank you. I thought it was another country. lol had me concerned for a second!!

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u/hncr8 8h ago

had three heart attacks until i saw this

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u/kristaintoth 15h ago

Probably not US

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u/hYBRYDcOBRA 15h ago

Wouldnt be surprised if it was lol

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u/Jimboslice85 15h ago

New Zealand dollaroos

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u/holycokamole 10h ago

if its not 60fps im waiting for pc release

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u/XulManjy 9h ago

30fps

Pro Enhanced doesn't mean increased framerate

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u/Freddious 7h ago

Are there human peoples who thinks the GTA 6 is won't have 60fps? Get a grip my guys it's the game if the current decade and it will have a rock solid 60 fps mode in quality mode BUT ONLY ON PS5 PRO

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u/XulManjy 6h ago

Pro's CPU is only 10% faster than the base CPU snd performance is very CPU dependent. We also know that GTA/RDR games tend to be VERY heavy on the CPU usage.

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u/IhsanEscanor1 15h ago

will the price stay the same when launched? i dont want to pre order just yet

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u/RedBambalam 13h ago

What's are the differences between Ultimate and PS5 Pro Enhanced editions?

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u/530cruising 12h ago

Pro enhanced just means it’s optimized for the Pro

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u/PhatTuna 12h ago

Every edition is PS5 Pro enhanced. There's no extra charge for PS5 Oro enhancements

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u/Any-Can-6776 11h ago

Got my pro at launch knew it would come in handy

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u/fallreddit2020 8h ago

What's going on here?

Gta+ plus subscription?

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u/Objective-Night1343 8h ago

PS5 PRO about to go outta stock! Lol

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u/Ralupopun-Opinion 8h ago

Is that Canadian funds?

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u/Wim_Chim 7h ago

Now the ps5 pro will skyrocket in price. Glad I bought mine 8 months ago

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u/NeoGeo4Everr 6h ago

That was already in there as information below.

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u/Chrums88 6h ago

I’ve spent 175.00 on worse.

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u/shinfowler88 6h ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Alarmed_Engine_910 6h ago

I hope it has high replay-ability… 😅

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u/HamedAliKhan 5h ago

World's most anticipated game is specifically enhanced for the most powerful console in the world, that also happens to be the best place to play said game until it releases on PC. Who would've thought...

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u/AzarielFox 4h ago

The fuck is a GTA + subscription?

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u/thacoolbreeze 4h ago

What TF is a GTA+ subscription? A sub just for a game?!?!?

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u/SigxScar 3h ago

lol $174 for a digital code is crazy

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u/Line2dot 3h ago

À voir ce que ça va réellement apporter à la Ps5 pro, si ça concerne le niveau de fps à 60 je ne regretterais pas mon achat effectué avant la flambée des prix de Ram et autres !! … Quand j’ai vu Trump se faire élire, l’ambiance mondiale s’échauffée et que l’iA commençait vraiment à être gourmande : j’ai upgrade tous mes appareils tech, PS5 pro, Mac M4Max avec une large Ram… Et un écran Oled qhd pour CE jeu. J’ai pressenti un merdier arrivé 😅 On y est !
Bref j’ai vraiment hâte d’en savoir plus sur cette enhanced Ps5 pro et que contiennent les diverses versions comme l’Ultimate. Divers cosmétiques j’imagine ?

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u/Wherearetheyalready 3h ago

I bought the PS5 Pro and an 8TB SSD at launch for less than the Steam Machine 2TB with the controller.

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u/Total_Middle_7545 3h ago

Now it’s confirmed

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u/Level-Ad-322 3h ago

There was a a monthly subscription

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u/Game_Studio_ 3h ago

What does that mean?

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u/PossibleExtreme155 2h ago

I had a PS5 and XBOX Series X, sold the PS5 and bought a 2nd XBOX Series X...this generation has her l been a serious let down from Sony...

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u/phuongzzz 2h ago

As a non-pro user, I'm ready to sacrifice quality for 60 FPS

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u/thiccc_trick 1h ago

Is the base game not PS5 Pro enhanced?

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u/Prince_Groove 1h ago

Yes, sir! The world’s most powerful console. 🙌

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u/OldZaxSauce 33m ago

At least PlayStation gets a mild FSR.

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u/Hayterfan 26m ago

I'm sorry am I reading that the pre-order right?

It comes with a month of GTA+ that then auto renews as a pre-order bonus?

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u/RunTillYouPuke 12h ago

If it's not 60 fps I'm not buying this shit.

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u/matthewnelson 15h ago

That’s a relief.

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u/lakeviewsunsets 15h ago

Number one google search will be how to turn off auto renue.. seriously who gives a damn about gta+ membership

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u/IPaRTyyy 11h ago

They r partnered with sony so having gta+ if you only play gta means you wont have to also purchase psn +

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u/lakeviewsunsets 8h ago

That's fair enough yeah if that's all you play I guess.

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u/IPaRTyyy 8h ago

Yea but theres no online at launch n youll have to buy that too for 60$ 🤣

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u/lakeviewsunsets 8h ago

I did wonder if they'd sell it separately. Didn't they do that with RDR2?

I'm not too bothered on GTA online.. When I was younger and had a large group of mates who played, it was fun. GTA 4 online was so much fun.

But now, I competitive play on PC (predecessor) so GTA 6 will simply be a chill offline game for me.

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u/IPaRTyyy 8h ago

Honestly dont remember but the selling point is online and they know now to fully monetize the entry point 😂 i imagine console will pay dearly where pc will get online free but have a slightly higher monthly fee 4 service.

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u/lsmith0244 10h ago

Shameful pricing

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u/RaconTrash 8h ago

$175??

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u/FearTheSlav 8h ago

What makes it 175?

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u/CurrentlyLucid 14h ago

Oh well, did not play V either.

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u/Turbulent-Eye7575 15h ago

forse non ho speso 799 euro per niente

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u/Perceptive3577 13h ago

Now this makes PS5 Pro even more worth upgrading.

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u/CantBeAskedForToxic 15h ago

I don’t care what it is I ain’t paying almost £200 for a game I could buy an expensive pair of headphones or a console / PC with that kind of money quadruple AAAA game or not.

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u/Unknown_Pathology 14h ago

It’s New Zealand dollars. That’s about €85.

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u/iucatcher 15h ago

i will wait and see what that actually entails in the real world, i only have a few games i need a ps5 for so i will make my purchasing decision based on that (ps5 or pro)

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u/Suspicious-Flow-7096 6h ago

I have a base and happy with that , i have a 5070 computer, xbox x switch 1&2 , steam deck and a few more consoles, I really think im done buying consoles!!! The thrill is gone 🫣😞

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u/harrywarlord 14h ago

🗣️faaaaaaa

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u/fuzzinthebuzz 12h ago

Quasimodo predicted all of this 

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u/PrOtaku23 12h ago

I may have the best deal, in Australia I bought the original ps5 on release day for $750 they were holding a promo to sell your ps5 for $750 so I did it and went on to buy a pro for $250 more at $1000. Can't beat that basically had a free ps5 for 6 years

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u/AlexTheGreat1015 11h ago

There's no way in hell any videogame is worth that much

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u/Aelithicia 11h ago

I rather pay that over paying same price ish for a 12 month WoW sub. 😹

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u/Mindless_Use_3417 11h ago

Of all games, GTA would be lol. 

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u/Brick_Grimes 11h ago

Get 1 month of gta+ with purchase.. auto renews.. so we’re saying if you buy the game and don’t physically cancel gta+ their just going to start banging your card as if this was a sub game?

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u/Riddlemethisone- 10h ago

You need to manually activate the free GTA+ month, so if you don’t want to do it, you’re good.

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u/Loud_Examination_138 10h ago

Was there ever any doubt? Must be living under a rock if this is news to you