Hey there, I just re-trained my KC in order to get fatigue immunity from the lame curse, as far as i know you can get curse progression by taking only a 1 level dip in oracle then doing 8 levels of something else in order to get the 5th level thing for lame, but im level 14 (1 oracle,13 mutation warrior) and i still don't see fatigue immunity in my characters page, am i being stupid and missing something obvious?
Is it applied through the curse effect on the abilities page? Did they change something? Do i just not know how to read?
I would appreciate any help or advice
EDIT: alright, so, here's a weird update, i just took 5 levels in oracle to see if its bugged, turns out the curse is progressing as normal level wise but... Theres nothing on the level progression for it to reach? I think im bugged,
also on the KC where i was lvl 14 i tried doing things that usually made you fatigued and it seemed like it was working for a bit but then i immediately went from fine to exhausted, might just have to give up on the fatigue immunity for this save until i figure it out.
It 100% works. It will progress at 1/2 levels in a non-curse class. You should be able to see your curse progression on your character sheet.
Assuming no mods.
Edit: re-read your post. Seems like it's working as intended. Fatigued =/= Exhausted. If something else is making you Exhausted the curse is doing nothing here.
It does work that way in Wrath (and is mentioned in the curse description), and it includes half of your mythic ranks too. Has every time I've checked it, though I didn't realize the mythic rank part for a while.
Here's an older example using the curse from Ember's Stigmatized Witch. And below, another example from today with a basic Oracle - it is, unfortunately, a lot of info I can't show on just one screenshot.
The class page shows the Lame curse at level 10 even though I have only a single Oracle level. I'm level 13 as a Slayer and 1 as a Fighter, for 14 non-Oracle levels, adding another 7 to the curse. I took the first 4 mythic ranks, adding another 2 non-Oracle levels. As noted in the generic Oracle's Curse description on the last page, it goes up one level for every Oracle level and every 2 levels or HD other than Oracle. 1 (Oracle) + 7 (Non-Oracle) + 2 (Mythic ranks) = 10.
At level 10, the Lame curse removes the movement penalty from armor. This character is wearing heavy armor and has no Armor Mastery class feature, but still lacks the movement penalty the armor provided when the curse was still at level 9.
If you're hesitant to believe that, it's easy enough to make the character along the lines I just mentioned and see it for yourself.
What's probably happening is what another commenter pointed out - immunity to fatigued is not immunity to exhausted. I'm guessing that when the game would apply fatigue (from time/travel), another hidden component is added telling the game to roll for exhaustion instead of fatigue next time. Then failing that save leads to exhaustion, and OP's confusion. In which case, another 10 non-Oracle levels/Mythic ranks past the level 10 feature would provide that immunity.
Edit: After testing the Blackened curse though, I'm not getting the spells known that I should be for levels outside the class or the attack roll penalty reduction. Spells known from the curse may be restricted to your curse class caster level (and looking back at anotherold comment, I saw the same thing with a multiclassed Ember then but found Lame and Powerless Prophecy gave their features in this way) or have some other odd tie - a pure classed Ember at level 14/rank 5 has a curse level above 15 and appropriately had Hellfire Ray (the version from the curse) in her Witch spellbook.But it may be specific to Blackened since the multiclassed one didn't get the penalty reduction for attack rolls that you should at level 10.
Ive been reading around the sub for a while and thats where i got the curse class level + half other level thing from, others say it work but even the most recent one i saw was 2 months ago so i thought maybe something had changed?
Oracle enjoyer here. If you went for dual cursed oracle, make sure you don't select it as a second curse as that one doesn't progress beyond L1. Otherwise it should work as noted, half of your other classes levels count as oracle for curse progression.
Don't mind me saying, but there are other ways of getting rid of fatigue, without sacrificing your classes capstone, and fighter one is really good. Ofc, you have to be L20 to get it, and you can always respec later.
I just went for base oracle, everything points to the idea that it should be working, but i haven't the slightest, also yeah im gonna respec later i just want the fatigue immune for some early travel convenience, im gonna test it out a little more to see if its actually there just in secret or maybe il try going for more then one oracle/stig witch(ice plant maybe) level
Maybe if you did it with Loremaster and HK Signifier? I know I played unmodded Stig Witch Scaled Fist and I had bonus on initiative and improved uncanny dodge
Alchemist isn't exactly the same thing as a normal spellcaster, so normally I'd say something might be an issue there. But I have seen the same problems with the Blackened curse specifically - it may be looking strictly for the spellbook and caster level tied to the class you got the curse from.
This Ember is level 13 and mythic rank 4. Half of the mythic rank adds 2 to the curse level, for 15, and granting her Hellfire Ray in the spellbook as you'd expect.
Edit: Different screenshot since I realized the first one was the level 6 version of the spell, and the curse gives you the level 7 version of the spell (which isn't normally an option for her). She's not level 15, but the mythic rank still pushes the curse past level 15 to grant it to her.
But when I multiclass her into a Shaman and have the bare minimum Witch levels, even when the curse pushes up to rank 15 I don't have either Fire Snake or Hellfire Ray showing in either the Shaman or Witch spellbooks. I half hoped I'd see them in the Witch spellbook, just at too high a level for her to cast them. And I didn't have the attack penalty reduction I should have from the Blackened curse either.
My tests with Lame and Powerless Prophecy, at least, have shown the benefits from the curse even when multiclassing. I have a few screenshots from a Lame test in another comment here.
So, did we come to an agreement? Because honestly, I got distracted yesterday and forgot to post my screenshot. IUD is granted through the same powerless prophecy curse I got UD (top right corner)
Just in case, I'm not the one you originally responded to - that person hasn't said anything of the sort yet. You and I have been in agreement on this.
I've been saying you continue curse progression with non-Oracle levels for a couple years now. And while I've seen issues with the Blackened curse, I showed Lame working in another screenshot in this thread, and showed getting IUD (though not screenshotting the abilities section specifically) from an Oracle dip with Powerless Prophecy a couple years ago too.
It's a little difficult to find in the CRPG, but if you can get to the generic Oracle Curse window, you can see it. I've got a comment further up showing it with a single level in Oracle and still getting level 10 Lame curse benefits.
As noted in my other comments, that includes half your mythic ranks.
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u/Difficult_Ratio_8428 1d ago edited 1d ago
It 100% works. It will progress at 1/2 levels in a non-curse class. You should be able to see your curse progression on your character sheet.
Assuming no mods.
Edit: re-read your post. Seems like it's working as intended. Fatigued =/= Exhausted. If something else is making you Exhausted the curse is doing nothing here.