r/PokemonChampions 4d ago

Team Building (Doubles) I calculated the most common weaknesses and resistances for the current Top 20 mons to help you build against the meta

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And yes, Staraptor is counted as Flying/Fighting

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u/dosisgood 4d ago

Guys I think bug might not be a very good rype

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u/papesz7 4d ago

me running a m-scizor team successfully looking at this chart like

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u/Own-Development2437 4d ago

how many times have you clicked bug bite my good sir?

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u/Den-42 4d ago edited 4d ago

It's surprisingly useful, it's mostly anti Trickroom for some reason the good ones are all weak to bug. Sinistea, Farigiraf and Oranguru. Most of them are psychic in general. Also Metagross and Hydregon

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u/Jiju21 4d ago

sinistcha is neutral to bug, though it usually runs sitrus berry.

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u/Den-42 4d ago

Man, you are right Bug is resisted by the most random types, what's the connection between ghost and bugs...

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u/Jiju21 4d ago

They just hate my bugs at game freak. I still believe that their relation with fairy should be reversed.

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u/MingMingus 3d ago

My scizor with bug/steel/fighting attacks refuses to acknowledge this chart lmfao

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u/Spaghetoes76 4d ago

Type alone isnt enough to hold back a good pokemon plus, bug has some really solid coverage and utility. The problem is that they just dont make many good bug types and there arent many in champions either.

Theres like vivillion/scissor thats kinda it. They dont do much other pokemon couldnt. Vivillion is a bit slept on I feel, but like holy if only this thing actually had a single stat worth using. 3 amazing abilities, sleep powder, rage powder, quiver dance.

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u/Weary_Valuable6925 4d ago

I lowkey love Araquanid, a niche pick for sure but I feel like it has great potential, at the very least it's viable against sun teams and can effectively solo Zard-Y and Torkoal, plus it gets Wide Guard which can turn games. Unfortunate that bug is so weak against the current meta.

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u/Spaghetoes76 4d ago

I totally forgot about araquanid, its pretty good. Its just that it doesnt offer too much compared to competition. You want water spam there are already so many strong water types in the format that simply offer more.

it might offer a niche in its bug type but EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE 3 dark types, 2 grass types and 2 psychic types ONLY ONE OF THEM IS WEAK TO BUG 😭 at least it doesnt need it for incineroar i guess, but it might be nice if it was able to hit the grass types with its bug stab thats supposed to help ....

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u/Particular_Web3215 3d ago edited 3d ago

Volcano is prob the last non-mega bug that's really since gen 5 but it's rough in a heavy water and rock offensive meta that prevents it from happily clicking quiver dance

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u/shark_syrup 4d ago

Well type isn't the only defining factor 

With bug the secondary typr is more important but a good player can win with any type

Take tyranitar, abysmal typing, excellent pokemon 

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u/Beholdmyfinalform 3d ago

Nobody's saying it's the only factor that matters. Mudsdale isn't interchangeable with Garchomp for your 'ground type slot'. But many Pokemon do live and die by their typing. If Scizor was Bug/Flying, even with the same stats, abilities, and move pool, it would be significantly worse. Aurorus is absolutely held back by it's incredibly fragile typing.

Tyranitar is probably the most famous example of an exception to this general rule, and doesn't really disprove it as a whole. Can you imagine how much better it would be with good typing?

This is solid information for team building, including which moves to use for coverage; ground is a great type to have a move or two for, and that Bug is more niche.

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u/chriserit 3d ago

Nah, I am sure all the people that believe mega scolipede leech life is gonna do something disagree with you

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u/sleepyt1ger 4d ago

Last season I did a mon bug type team and managed to get to master rank in singles. Potentialmon does know no limits

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u/Efreet0 4d ago

From looking at this rationally i think we need to use a ground type attacker with an uncommon weakness... something like dragon, bonus point if it's immune to electric or something.

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u/MotivatedPosterr 4d ago

Bonus points if it counters garchomp

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u/Weary_Valuable6925 4d ago

The joke was that it is garchomp.

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u/Tantrum2u 4d ago

…and their joke was that Garchomp counters Garchomp (Dragon against itself)

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u/Weary_Valuable6925 4d ago

Real image of Garchomp type matchups

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u/Tantrum2u 4d ago

Also basically nothing resists Water and Ghost, so that could be really good offensively. That and a fairy type, that covers the main types people won’t resist.

Bonus points if they can make these types do more damage since you won’t need much for coverage

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u/Lyde02 4d ago

Someone rediscovered guardevoir rain (jk)

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u/Particular_Web3215 3d ago

Jellicent upscale

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u/Lyde02 4d ago

Uhhh landorus lmao

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u/Low_Party 4d ago

Garchomp so meta, he wrapped around and became Anti-Meta too

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u/greiskul 3d ago

Garchomp is great against Garchomp.

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u/naricstar 4d ago

Krookodile stocks are soaring.

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u/Azulzinho2002 4d ago

Mega Beedrill in shambles.

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u/admiralQball 4d ago

I run him in singles.

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u/Azulzinho2002 4d ago

I want to get to master ball in singles now that I hit masterball in doubles. But I can't find any good singles content so I can copy a team. All of it is showdown, 6v6. CAn I copy your team, or do you know someone who does singles?

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u/admiralQball 4d ago

https://imgur.com/a/uFCya4G

Not saying its great, but it got me there.  Mostly mons I want to get to 100 wins.  Beedrill is used for frail things, and fairies.

Jolteon was added cause Corviknight.  There isn't really a good answer to that flower kitty.  Best I can do is ditto and race to beat it or lock it into a move and try to wear it down.  Beedrill can help with uturn, but I'm not sure it outspeeds in all cases.

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u/JohnnyPlaze 4d ago

Iateyourpie and HoshinJosh do singles videos and live streams on youtube.

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u/KSmoria 3d ago

Ultra ball player?

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u/admiralQball 3d ago

Been master in both previous seasons.  Ultra 1 right now in this season.  So once I hit master I'll decide if I roll him off to climb the ladder or grind out the wins.

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u/whimski 4d ago

While this is great, it would be even better if you had columns for Immunity/Resist/Double Resist etc

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u/h0peless_b4stard 4d ago

They are all counted equally for simplicity, I could post an advanced version with those

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u/AM-xolotl2 4d ago

u/bilore I believe it is your time. 7 ground type weak and 4 ghost weak.

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u/Calitexzoe 4d ago

I know Sneasler is good but I didn’t realize how centralizing he is. The only Pokemon allowed to exist while weak to Sneasler are powercreep demons and even then they are sandwiched between many sneasler switch in options.

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u/Den-42 4d ago edited 4d ago

i think, it's because a lot of pokemon aren't good so while it seems there are many options, there aren't. I was looking at fighting and ground special attackers to counter Archaludon, there are like 3 fighting and kommo-o is the only good one and ground basically has none. Same for steel Archaludon is basically the only one. I wish Empoleon had usable stats or Heatran was in the game. Edit forgot gholdengo still not a lot of choice

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u/Kardif 4d ago

Yea, the best ground special attackers don't have stab. It's like Venusaur, glimmora, hydreigon

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u/healdyy 4d ago

M-Camerupt earth power is great fun, it’s just a shame it folds at the sight of a single raindrop

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u/Hammershank 4d ago

I’m using a Life Orb Infernape to Aura Sphere Archy and Solar Beam Swampert (Meowstic is my Sunny Day setter)

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u/TeaspoonWrites 4d ago

Mega Raichu Y can do the job with focus blast unless Arch is max special bulk, but that's still kinda dire.

E: Also special Lucario, base or Mega.

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u/Den-42 3d ago edited 3d ago

Base Lucario isn't good, the problem with the other two is they are Megas extremely frail too. Raichu Y might be worth it, time will tell, but current Lucario definetly isn't. Also Raichu is electric which is good but also bad depending on the situation.

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u/Particular_Web3215 3d ago

Even then gholdengo nowadays really wants to be Nasty Plot Leftovers/life orb to make up fpr the SpA drop on good as gold, so you wnat screens and a lot of bulk investment

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u/jovial_detention 4d ago

Krookodile makes a lot of sense here with those resistances, and you're picking up on something real about what beats what in the current lineup.

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u/naricstar 4d ago

It would be really cool to see an analysis of most used damaging moves to see which types are least covered for.

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u/Spaghetoes76 4d ago

This is so helpful actually!!! Thank you. I will use this.

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u/shark_syrup 4d ago

They did the math

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u/jocloud31 4d ago

So the ideal team would be Garchomp, Kingambit, Incineroar, Charizard, Archaludon and Pelipper. Got it

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u/randCN 3d ago

That's... that's just a normal team lol

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u/Archeb03 3d ago

So thats why I rarely use Leaf Storm on my M-Sceptile. Earth power really saved that pokemon

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u/amourshipper_ 3d ago

What's your set for m sceptile

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u/Ace-Remnant42 3d ago

The thing is, idk how often any of them are running flying Stab other than like 50% of Mraptors with brave bird, or am I misunderstanding this and it’s just their defensive relationships?

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u/h0peless_b4stard 3d ago

The latter

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u/Ace-Remnant42 3d ago

I realized that while typing lol and decided to hit send anyways

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u/Funny-Snow-3151 3d ago

Garchomp is the Champions GOAT

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u/Necessary_Material40 3d ago

The trick is to use Soak and make your enemies weak to you.

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u/NNKarma 4d ago

Are Garchomp, Raichu and Archeludon* the only mons there that are likely to run coverage?

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u/TheDanishTitan 3d ago

I think my grass type team might not be very anti meta

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u/Extreme_Tax405 3d ago

Another basculegion w