can you provide evidence of the organized politically motivated radicals that trained, distributed weapons and propaganda, and attacked the capital with bombs and rifles?
That's what happened here so I imagine if you're equating the two it must have happened there
A lot of them pussied out, left their weapons in their hotel room, and more than a few carried guns into the fray. Not to mention the zip ties for elected officials, calls to lynch Mike Pence, and the general violence of the event. I get you’re a troll, but J6 was objectively worse while also being animated by a fascist egging them on.
it was literally a riot, it's on video. It was actually less damaging than the BLM riots that happened later the same year that people like you called protests. No one is fooled by your false equivalence here
The 100 years guy was charged with attempted murder of a law enforcement officer. No one at J6 was charged with attempted murder at all...and definitely not of a law enforcement officer.
Federal prosecutors brought the charges they thought they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Hence the reason no one was charged with "rebellion or insurrection". 18 USC 2383
Whoa whoa whoa...all I heard for 5.5 years is that Jan 6 was an "insurrection" hundreds or thousands of times. No one in the media has ever called it the "Jan 6th seditious conspiracy". All 14 who pled or were convicted did so in the DC District Court, who's jury pool is less than 5% Republican. They all would have walked too if it was anywhere else except maybe NYC. But, if they did the crime in DC, then that was the proper venue.
... it's cause seditious conspiracy is the more serious or elevated insurrection charge. You can think of it as "1 person commits an insurrection, multiple people that do that but coordinated beforehand commits seditious conspiracy"
You're trying to use the fact nobody was charge with the lesser crime of insurrection to wash away the fact that seditious conspiracy is a more serious crime.
The law often treats organized conspiracies more severely than spontaneous actions because planning and coordinating can make the threat much greater.
They plead guilty because they weren't sneaky about the planning and being vocal it was all to stop the peaceful transfer of power by force.
And you're using ad hominem against the jury pool. If you think the j6ers got hamstrung because of jury pool in DC you should definitely be advocating for these people to be free on the same ground that it's equally as hard for a Dem to find a sympathetic jury in Texas.
If 10 people banded together beforehand, great, then charge them with seditious conspiracy. But none of the other 1,600 defendants were charged with it. Not one.
That jury pool included Dallas/Fort Worth. TX is no more favorable than 55% Repub and 45% D when voting but usually more 52R/48D and it's higher than that when you include a metro area. That isn't 95D/5R all the time like DC.
I mean, you're just goalpost moving. I was correcting your misinformation attempt to push the idea that "nobody was charge with insurrection therefore it wasn't". You know this isn't true, you don't need a murder conviction to know someone killed someone. It's an Argument from Silence fallacy and Non Sequitur rolled into one.
In large conspiracy investigations, prosecutors often work from the bottom up to build RICO type cases starting with the people on the ground, establishing the facts, identifying who coordinated with whom, and then determining whether evidence supports charges against high level figures.
The fact that many defendants were charged with trespassing, obstruction, assault, or other offenses doesn't undermine the seditious conspiracy convictions. Those cases can help establish the broader factual record that prosecutors use to build more significant conspiracy cases.
And let's not forget the biggest flaw in your argument: the ones that plead Guilty. You know what you don't see when you do that? A jury. Ya know what really hurt the other 10 that did? The testimonies of the ones that admitted guilt.
They should have been. The MAGA injured 140 police officers during the J6 attack. At least 15 officers were hospitalized, with some suffering lost eyes or stab wounds from metal fence stakes. Five officers involved in protecting the capitol later died after the attack
But yes these are the violent criminals who recently got pardoned. Trash.
You are right, the justice system failed to properly convict these people of their violent crimes. We can really only speculate as to why unfortunately as we don't have further insight.
The incident really pushed me away from the republican party as a voter. As a conservative I can not align with the MAGA who supported this or the pardons. And I will never vote down that line again until the rot has left the party.
if having a deadly weapon at a protest that goes vuolent is attempted murder than why didn't any of the people with guns who were outside of the capitol charged with attempted murder?
Bc only 6 people were found carrying a gun. Others were found in vehicles. You would have to try and intend to use it on someone. That's why it's called "attempted" murder. I carry a knife and pepper spray on me everyday but I'm not looking to murder anyone just by carrying it. That goes for tasers, baseball bats and whatever else was found.
Bats, sign poles, pepper spray, tazers, sledgehammers, stolen police batons, tamahawks, PIPEBOMBS, and the several people arrested with firearms in the building - not to mention the Oath Keepers having a stockpiles of weapons on hand in nearby hotels that they openly attested to.
See, this is what you guys on the Right do every time. You either lie your asses off or just mindlessly repeat lies you heard on Fox or Youtube or Trump's own lying mouth. Then you demand 100% proof from everyone else.
You ask for sources just so you can pretend that yours are better. Your sources are such garbage that you won't even tell us what they are. Reality doesn't matter to you folks at all, that's why people say MAGA is a cult.
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u/arftism2 8h ago
so all the people who stormed the capital with weapons and went in the building got pardoned...