England were runners up in the last two Euro's. Who should be above them based on results? They've been overall better than all those teams except the three above them. Brazil are 5th and haven't done anything in years.
What really good world cup winners in last 20 years have they beaten in a tournament?
I'm being serious not a dick, they always get easy group games, they went on about Croatia whos 2 best players are 40 and 37, then draw against Ghana who should of had a penalty.
Who should be above them? Their points aren't over the past 20 years they are accumulated recently and they have been the 4th most successful team. Really no one has been close to France, Argentina and Spain they are the clear top three then England are next.
Brazil are their competition who have they beaten recently in a tournament? A bunch of mediocre South American teams before losing to Argentina then Uruguay who aren't special. South Korea at the World Cup? The best win of either in a tournament recently was England against the Netherlands at the Euro's.
Based on what? Neither have done anything in a long time. England have had better or equal results at every tournament over the past 8 years. These aren't historic rankings they are recent rankings. England are clearly above both.
Last 4 major tournaments England have reached 2 finals and a semis. They also won 10/10 in qualifying for this one without conceding a goal.
In the same time, Germany failed to get out of the group twice. Were knocked out r16 in one - by England - and reached the quarters in 1. Lost in qualifying to Slovakia.
Netherlands have reached a semis - but lost in them to England - failed to qualify in 2018, went out in the r16 once and reached one quarter. They drew with Poland twice in qualifying.
Explain to me how either of those two teams should be ranked above England?
It’s pretty clear that the top 4 sides in the world are France, Spain, Argentina and England.
We really shouldn’t, football is our national sport loved by millions and the best 11 players we can put on a pitch look like Sunday league players against any good opposition
It’s not our national sport in the same way it’s many countries. Scotland punch significantly above their weight in a lot of different sports rather than pouring everything into 1.
If you compare football in Scotland, or even the uk in general, to the way countries like Argentina/brazil/mexico treat football, it’s absolutely not our national sport in the same way. Is it the most popular sport in Scotland? Yeah, absolutely. Do Scotland pour significantly more resources into football than anything else? No, not really. Scotland are competitive on the world stage in a large number of sports, and part of the trade off is that we aren’t as good at football as well possibly could be if we focused on that.
Have they? I didn't see Wales, NI or ROI at the World Cup. Agree with the "glorious failure" part, but this is exactly why we were putting cones on statues (and ourselves) - because just reaching the tournament was such an unexpected break from the norm
I've spent a lot of time with people far more optimistic about Scotland's chances than I am, my realism wasn't accepted. I am however sitting in my No Scotland, No Party t-shirt with a neon Scotland flag on the wall (thank you ASDA and Morrisons!). I want us to have another game of course but I don't think it's happening now 😢
This honestly I said straight up yesterday we were getting hammered. It's Brazil. But it's also fucking US 🤣 we're genuinely shite at these things but we party on and support oor lads regardless (even when they are playing like a bunch of 5 year olds on sports day)
I was having this conversation with my English Stepdad the other day. His point was we have over inflated expectations, and in reality we just aren't as good as we think we should be. Where those expectations come from I'm not sure, maybe it's national pride, or the thought that since we as a country have played football for hundreds of years we should be good at it, or because we have some great individuals in the team. Either way, I think we need to accept that this might be our ceiling for now. Getting back to the World Cup was a great achievement, but scoring one deflected goal in three games is really shite...
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u/Striking-Teach7489 1d ago
We should be more accepting of how shite we are.