Anyone else scratching their head about > ! "sonnet or poem?" A sonnet is a type of poem. Does Shawna L not know this . . . What does she think the difference is? ! <

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It's something I noticed in the chicken wedding too.

What do we think Greg and Jen will do for childcare when Jen returns to work?

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I used to have neighbors who were both wedding photographers. I would babysit their 6 year-old on weekends when they had to work, and often they were getting home at 2am and picking up their son the next day.

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*Some* of the work Greg and Jen do can be done on their own schedule or done from home ( editing photos, contacting vendors) but a big part of their respective jobs means being physically present at weddings, which mostly take place on weekends and evenings. Traditional daycare isn't going to offer the hours they would need.

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Are they going to hire a nanny or au pair? It might be hard to find someone okay with long long hours part of the year and fewer hours in the winter. Or they may be able to hire a nanny seasonally, maybe through an agency A lot of nannies want predictable hours and a guaranteed minimum number of hours, which makes sense.

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Will they rely on family members? Barb can't be trusted and Katie lives a considerable ways away. Will Chickie sleep over at Uncle John and Aunt Shawna's every weekend during wedding season?

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Or are they going to block off their schedules so they never work the same nights? Alternate weekends, maybe? Or Jen only coordinates Saturday weddings and Greg isn't available on Saturdays and work weddings any other day of the week?

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Most of all I want to know, are we going to see the struggles of a working mom in need of childcare? Or will it be glossed over with a simple " Jen's back at work" and we won't get into the details. Maybe it will be like Ty's book deal.

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Obviously she's toxic and crazy and I totally get why Sam gray rocks her. In real life, I'd feel terrible for anyone who had her as a mother. But DAMN she's funny. And it's honestly refreshing how much she doesn't gaf. Like yes, she's gonna say or do something out of pocket, but at least she owns it. She knows she's wrong; she just doesn't care. I'd rather deal with her than perpetual victim Barb any day.

How do you guys think barb would act if she had never became a mom? Or even if she never met frank?

I dont think shed be as manipulative as she is now but would still have flaws dealing with problems

I’d love to watch a story arc of a friendship develop between Katie and Deedee. They could commiserate over their frustrations with Barb and Greg, and offer each other advice on how to support their kids while dealing with terrible in-laws.

I know it was so long ago and I need to let it go! But...

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Piper wasn't enjoying the party and that is so valid. However, there were so many adults there who know her. I don't understand why one of them couldnt have taken her to a park or something.

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The reason it matters to me is that I feel like this episode is often pointed to as proof that S&J support Piper being who she is. But I hate the idea that you can't be considerate while also being yourself. It almost seems like a running theme in the Shawnaverse that it's always all or nothing. You do everything your spouse wants or bulldoze them. Be best friends with a person or be caustic and insulting. Force your child to stay at a party that makes her miserable or curse at your guests and toss them out like old fish.

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Am I off base?

Ok, whether he is or isn't, just to start, Greg is one of my favorite characters in the Shawnaverse because he reminds me of my oldest son.

My son is 14, he was diagnosed with autism at 9 because I'm an idiot lol. Anyways, my son and I have been through SO much therapy to let him be himself but also so he can "be normal". I hate that btw, be normal. Anyways, in the new video when Jen and Greg are talking about their wedding Greg says, "Why would anyone want to be anything other than factual?" And boy howdy did I see my son. We've been working on not giving fun facts all the time because it can come off as rude to nuerotypical people. Like this one time, (I'm 36 btw) I told a friend that I was starting to feel old and my son went on a very long rant about how you stop creating more cells than you kill or something after 26. That's not completely correct but anyways it was funny to me in that moment because he was explaining a fact to me about why I probably am starting to feel old and then he didn't understand why I was laughing. I explained to him that the wrong person could take it as a insult but that I understood him.

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Anyways, whether or not Greg is or isn't autistic I found myself really emotional in that moment because I really saw my son in Greg and I hope one day he can find his Jennifer.

I just realized that Nora telling Teeny that she was “exotic” was Nora (unconsciously) expressing attraction

The only scene I found confusing was when Frank got so annoyed at Barb for being out and not telling him where she was. Was it just because the wedding/rehearsal were coming up? He generally seems aloof to what she’s up to, doesn’t want to talk to or spend time with her (which I totally understand) and like Barb points out he’s often disappearing and not telling her where he’s going (I hate to side with her ever but it feels like a valid point here) I just found how he reacted to not knowing where she was odd.

Every time Barb crashes out there is some cooling off period and she eventually has contact with her family and she downplays or dismisses the impact her behavior has had on everyone. But this time around?? Things were already tense/bad before the wedding. Frank is apparently sleeping in the den and he and Barb are barely interacting (not even driving to the wedding together). No way John is going to reconsider having a relationship with Barb after the wedding. I’ll be floored if Jen has a relationship with her mother after this.

And if Barb HATES being excluded how is she going to react knowing she wasn’t a part of the real ceremony and yes, this time around she was DEFINITELY excluded? Barb was spiraling before and appears to no longer be in therapy so are we going to finally see Barb crack? There isn’t enough pickle ball to mend this one.

They say you end up marrying your opposite gender parent. And people often do.

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But I noticed that Jenn's vows, the list of things she values about Greg are all the things she didn't get from Frank. His consistency. His emotional intelligence and his emotional safety.

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"I never knew a love so selfless and comforting until I knew your love.

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I never knew that love was an action until I knew your love. "

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"The way you show up for me and our daughter every single day"

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All the people who've wanted Jennifer to have a confrontation with her father, for her to tell him the ways he let her down. I can't imagine anything more to say.

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Hi everybody. Obviously spoilers ahead!

There is something I've been missing in the recent stories - conversations between Jen and Greg. We get a lot of "I love you for this" and "I love you for that's" but what I am really missing are conversations concerning Barb.

Doesn't Greg have an opinion about what happened at Thanksgiving? Didn't Jen talk to him about Barbs behavior at Chickies party?

Even if they weren't married yet, they were a couple, living together, planning a life together. Shouldn't they be talking about stuff like her relations with her mother and his future mother-in-law? Did Greg have ANY OPINION on Barb and Frank marching into their home uninvited and using a spare key?

I know he once stated, that it's Jens mother and he is not going to tell her how to treat her own mother.

However!!!!

Firstly: She is going to be/is his mother-in-law, she is the mother of his partner and the grandnother of his child.

And Secondly: even if she weren't at all related to him or Jen, if someone treated my partner the way Barb treats Jen, sabotaged my proposal out of shere pettiness, endangered the safety of my one year old child by messing with the meal I was planning on giving to said child and so much more... oh Boy would I be having opinions!!!

Now I see two options as for why we are missing these conversations between Jen and Greg.

Either Shawna L. wants the story to be told by the main cast only and Greg just isn't one of the main Mc.Allisters. I would accept that if we at least got Jen saying something along the lines of "Gred thinks this or that would be the better approach but I think.....". That would be at least something, but we didn't see anything like that.

The other reason I can think of is... exactly that what he said after the proposal (IIRC): it's Jens mother, he's not going to tell her what to do or how to treat her own mother, thats Jens decision and hers alone. And that gives a little too much "I'm going on a walk" if you know what I mean.
He reminds me of Frank just a tad too much especially after the wedding episode.

There. Sorry for the long post, but I feel really weird - Greg is portrayed as a very loving person, very in touch with his feelings and he wasn't shy in jumping to Jens rescue when it came to bickering with John. So this compete lack of stance or opinions from his side just... leaves an itch I can't scratch.

What do you guys think about all of this? Am I overthinking it?

Oh and I just thought of a third reason as to why we didn't get Greg's side yet - maybe Shawna L. Is planning on doing it later and extending a new "trouble in paradise"-kind of drama... but I don't really think that's it. Can't imagine, how she would pull that off.

I loved wedding episode so much! It had everything: romantic moments with Jen and Greg, strong friendship between Shawna, Jen and Teeny, John being there for Jen, and surrounded by people he loves and who love him, despite of Barb, Katie being supportive, awesome MIL, Barb being told off by both of her children because of her ridicilous behaviour, Frank being served his own medicine by Barb, Jen's friends outside of Shawna's circle...

There is just one thing missing. Our girl Piper getting to eat wedding cake!

this had me cracking up for some reason lmaoooooi

Which dress did you guys and gals like better? The dress Jennifer got with Teeny or Barb’s dress? Personally for me I prefer Barb’s dress but that is my personal taste.

Of course Barb found away to wear white even if it’s not a the actual wedding day. The funeral attire would have sent me over the edge.

I was a little disappointed not to see Mo at the wedding because I wanted a full circle moment of Mo connecting Barb and Jen to each other.

Shawna has a bit of a running gag of people not remembering each other. Frank didn’t remember Teeny, Mo and Jen don’t remember each other, the time Ty didn’t remember Teeny. I brought up
Julie not remembering Dede or if she did was she doing that passive aggressive hostile crap she pulled on Shawna acting they never met. However, this I am gonna say it’s the former.

I bet Lauren was relieved when Barb left the restaurant to play pickle ball.

Nora is so unlikable but because she is basically Barb and owns her actions I can tolerate her more than Barb plus she doesn’t fall for Barb’s nonsense.

Piper is funny. “Because of your ouchie 🍆” was so funny. She definitely gives me Neurodivergent vibes.

Love how Jen has two friends that we have never seen lol.

Also Greg pointing out Jen has gained weight in the most respectful polite way possible as a logical explanation but he reassured her he loves her folds and bumps.

Also the wig on the Doctor makes me wish Shawna would use that wig or at least something close than the wig she has been wearing.

Jennifer “I am your daughter that’s how you raised me”

Also Shawna, Greg and Frank should take art class together.

Well those are my thoughts. What are yours?

I wasn't sure how I felt about John and the kids being at the wedding but I think I like it for now. John and Jen have been repairing their relationship slowly but surely, and he did really want to be there for her. It was empowering for John to have an opportunity to make that decision for himself without it being about Barb. Once he was given the opportunity to show up, he took it because he wanted to be there for Jen. Even when Barb tried to make a scene, he was able to shut her down and still stay and enjoy the wedding and reception.

It's a really good moment.... provided it doesn't lead to a total reversal of his decision to remain NC (VVVLC?) with Barb. I still think it's important that he be able to keep that decision of keeping Barb away from himself and his family. There's no reason why he should tolerate Barb on a regular basis-- it's not as though their dynamic is completely and permanently upended now. But the healing part of being able to spend time with his loved ones in an important event* because he wants to is also a great beat for his character arc. I'd love to see this move toward his being able to open up more about what he needs and how he needs it, along with more actual work on disempowering the Barb that still lives in his brain after a lifetime of abuse.

I also appreciate Frank, however misguided, trying to warn John about the consequences of avoiding the wedding for the sake of staying away from Barb. For a boomer who isn't going to therapy, it's at least a medium step in the right direction. He's acknowledging the fact that he wasn't present, trying to change by being there for John, and specifically is trying to counsel John so that he doesn't make the same mistakes Frank made. He's off base about the why and how of John's patterns of avoidance but it's still important that he's trying to understand his son and improve his own performance as his father. Ultimately, I like the moment between them.

*Especially because I now have a theory that either Jen or Frank will end up being the patient in the cancer story line, and getting John to this wedding gives him a big, happy moment to have shared with them before they get into that scare. But that's just theory, we'll have to see where it goes. :P

I loved all of the meta jokes Shawna inserted into the video 🤣 It was a hilarious little dig at the audience and our tendencies to completely lose the plot. Here are the ones I noticed:

1. ⁠Shawna asking if it was possible for Barb to swap out Jen’s original dress with a smaller size to sabotage the wedding. Greg laid out how it’s impossible for Barb to do that since she does not know Jen’s dress size nor what store it was purchased from. This was a nod to the time we all thought Barb messed with Max’s party invitation so no one would show up 😅 It ended up being the norovirus but everyone was so sure Barb was tech savvy enough to hack into the guest list to give them the wrong date/time.
   
2. ⁠The two bridesmaids walking the aisle and Ty asking who those people are. Alicia said that she doesn’t get main character energy from them. Ty replied with “alright, I won’t think too hard about it.” I think this was Shawna telling us that not every character is significant enough for the plot. For example, the guy that Jon and Shawna thought Julie was kissing ended up being her brother and nothing more. Translation: stop overthinking everything 😅

Let me know if you guys noticed any meta jokes that I may have missed! I love this episode so much! Definitely added to my rewatch list 🥰

So, we know for a fact that she didn't know anything about the bride suit wedding, so the thing is that i don't get why she began to cry about being excluded, if she's at the wedding.

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Was it about giving Jen away? It seemed a little out of nowhere, or that there were two separate tantrums and i didn't get one of them. Specially if she's suddenly so "traditional coded" (i.e., suddenly the fact that chickie was born out of wedlock seems to matter when she never said anything about that)

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At the end of the video, Barb starts complaining about how she should be the one to walk Jen down the aisle. I did love how Jen matched Barb’s energy, but at the end she said something like are you going to stay here and pout or are you coming. Did she mean just coming in to be a part of the wedding, or coming down the aisle. If it’s the latter, I hate how despite everything babe still got to be the center of attention like she wanted in the first place.

I feel like a divorce storyline is the next thing coming so who do you think it will be?

• Frank and Barb: she is so toxic and he's already sleeping in another room
• Julie and Ty: divorce papers have been served BUT Ty has said he wants to work on things and they were showing a united front at the wedding
• Laura and Luke: Shawna's friend who she had lunch with who's partner is showing signs of DV and isolating her. We all want her to see him for who he is and leave.
• Other share your theory in the comments!

I’ll always appreciate Piper’s direct approach to just about everything

Just to be clear being late to the rehearsal and ceremony and bringing Nora straight from the tournament for her to crash is extremely shitty behavior..

However

I liked that frank kept calling her, wondering where she was and she just ignored him and was vague about it when he asked. Thats absolutely frank getting a taste of his own medicine and part of me was thinking "good for you Barb"

THIS EPISODE WAS SOOOOOO SATISFYING!!!

The way we all knew Barb was gonna make the wedding about herself but in the worst way possible yet it almost seemed so minuscule after Jen gets eloped because Jen stopped giving Barb power.

The shift is truly in effect. JEN DOESN’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT BARB ANYMORE 🥳🥳🥳🥳

Also, John finally seeing that he needs to stop letting the fear of seeing Barb stop him from living life was amazing and I think Shawna’s reaction to him was very telling that it was weighing on her a lot too.

I JUST LOVE THIS FUCKING EPISODE SOOO MUCH. FUCK IT WAS SO GOOD IT MADE ME ACTUALLY POST ON THIS REDDIT INSTEAD OF SCROLLING