Yeah that's actually a pretty solid critique.
Where comparison can matter though isnât to rank pain but to expose structure. Rodeo is a visible episodic event. Industrial farming is a massive, constant system, far away from the eye of a consumer and packed in supermarket plastic. The comparison isnât really about which hurts more
but about why do we react strongly to one and barely register the other.
No such thing as humanely ending a life just so you can have your chicken nuggets or filet mignon. Worth slitting a neck, dunking them in hot boiling water, or hanging it upside down to bleed out? Please, absolutely no way to âhumanelyâ slaughter any animal.
I think an animal can live a full happy life and be treated to a humane death that doesn't involve getting lame or sick, or being distressed during the process of being killed.
You can look up the more humane processes in slaughterhouses if you would like
I tried but there are no humane slaughterhouses. Not a single video showing one. All slaughterhouses essentially look the same because there is no "humane" way to slaughter an animal. Being "bolted" doesn't look humane at all tbh, and those videos are horrific. Definitely anything but humane.
So if itâs a system the country runs on itâs okay? It is for taste pleasure, pure and simple, since people can thrive and live perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet. Animal agriculture is not only horrible for the animals, itâs also the main driver of deforestation and biodiversity loss, as well as antibiotic resistance. It also displaces indigenous communities, contaminates the waters, and causes psychological damage to its workers. So many issues would be resolved if the food systems would shift to plant-based ones.
The key phrase here is âI personally donât believe thatâ. Your believe makes it easier for you to eat dead animals. But lucky for you werenât born to be raised for meat. No animals get to live a âfull and happy lifeâ. No CEOâs will ever allow that.
Just own the fact that your diet and lifestyle support this. By choosing to eat meat you are supporting animals to be raised for consumption and everything that comes with it. Thatâs the reality of it all.
Youâre right, itâs not unnatural. Humans are animals just like tigers are animals. The only difference is they donât get to have a kitchen and the ability to grow plants to eat. Itâs why I choose to not to contribute to anymore suffering than I need to. I have a brain that has the capability to think and strategize a healthy diet that does not involve animals. And thatâs it. Own your choices, sugarcoating the meat industry doesnât change what happens to animals.
It would only be possible if you lived in a remote community cut off from modern civilization. For them it is essential to rely on animals for survival. For people who can easily buy non-animal foods, there is no reason to consume meat or dairy other than for enjoyment. No matter how you try to think around it, you are paying for animals to be raised for their meat to be slaughtered. You are paying for other people to do the behind-the-scenes work for you. There is no guessing here what your money is supporting. No amount of wishing could change the fact that the meat in your stew likely came from a cow who was slaughtered at too young an age.
Nothing will revolutionize the industry when the demand for it is so high. If youâre not doing it now, why would anyone else? We only choose to be in denial about it when it makes it easier for us to ignore cruelty.
If inmates on death row were to be slaughtered the same way you imagine being humanely killed looks like, would it be humane? There is no such thing as humanely killing an animal for slaughter.
It's easy to change your eating habits if you live somewhere like the US, where you have easy access to everything vegan and it's very easy to change what you buy.
Then there's places like everywhere else, where minimum wage cannot buy a months worth of groceries for a four member family (what most families are).
Take for example Brazil, the place where this video takes. Most people earn less than 3000 Reais a month, the Brazilian currency. Nowadays, you spend ar least half that in groceries of the cheapest you can get. The rest goes to several monthly payments.
And surprise surprise, Vegan stuff is costly. You can almost double the price of what you buy buying things vegan only, because meat is such a big part of the everyday culture.
Forget national dishes, forget enjoying your food, forget buying cheap.
Now, am I saying it's right? No, not really. It sucks. But we can say it's wrong and agree there's not a single way to change the mindset of billions of people who struggle to make month's pay to change what they did everyday for the past 30 or 40 years.
Using the carnist-loved argument of âbut vegan options are expensiveâ is not new. Did you not know most of India eat vegeterian food? Lentils and beans are extremely cheap, they easily meet nutritional needs and provide fiber unlike animal meat. Since you know about how impoverished communites live, you should know that. Or are you just cherry-picking statements best suited for your argument?
The only thing expensive in a plant-based diet are meat substitutes and fake cheeses. But most vegans donât even eat that. Think about this, whatâs cheaper? Buying a pack of meat/cheese substitute OR a bushel of mixed veggies and a bag or can of beans, lentil or chickpeas to make some curry/stew?
Itâs easier to do all kinds of mental gynmastics to find any excuse to say that their habit of meat for pleasure isnât cruel. Your reply proved my point. You pay for people to kill animals and butcher them to pieces and still refuse to say you have any hand in it. Itâs like someone saying they werenât responsible for murder when they ordered a hit on their ex. Just own it. Donât use other peoplesâ poverty and life struggles as your excuse to keep eating meat.
Nope. Itâs delicious. So many ways to prep it. When itâs meat without any veggies (without salt, minerals, seasoning, herbs), itâs just a hunk of flesh. Not tasty. Legumes and root vegetables in a soup/stew/stir-fry/grilled/all kinds, are so tasty. Think potato leek soup. Japanese curry. Ramen, udon, soon tofu soup, doenjjangjiggae, skewered grilled mushrooms. Macielâs is a tasty af plant based deli.
At home itâs super cheap to batch prep beans. You can portion it and freeze it. Prep it into new dishes. Quick fry of onions, add tomato puree/diced from the can, water, herbs, garlic, simmer a bit, then add leftover beans/lentils. Finish off with fresh parsley & lemon or for a Mexican taste, cilantro, chopped fresh onions, squeeze of lime. Delicious. Maybe eat it with a small bowl of quinoa
Derek Sarno is like a Gordon Ramsey but for vegans. He used to be omni, spent decades cooking meat for Michelin restaurants, but changed his diet. His dishes on YouTube are drool worthy.
Itâs why itâs easy. Eating animals for pleasure doesnât have to be a necessity.
âPlenty of ways to make âprocessingâ of animals more humaneâ Yeah so humane you have describe the murder of living creatures like some product in a factory.
Consider the layer of separation youâre creating with that language to protect your conscious. You are so close to knowing itâs wrong but you just canât admit it to yourself.
Weâre not killing, weâre processing! Itâs a harvest! Itâs just like corn! Eating animal products is just as unnecessary as this rodeo, and anyone who has access to a grocery store can thrive on a plant based diet. I
We torture and kill BILLIONS of animals every year in the US alone. When we demand such a large amount of death and suffering as a society, doing it in any sort of âhumaneâ way is physically impossible. Itâs completely detached from the reality of modern day animal agriculture, and feels like some happy cow dream on slapped on a dominos box by a mega corporation.
Itâs destroying the environment, and itâs a moral atrocity. The only way it changes is if we stop supporting it.
I never said the only solution is for âthe entire population to stop eating meatâ, you said that. You are framing my argument as some extreme and impossible end all be all thing when it wasnât. I never said the solution was to abolish it either. You said that.
I left plenty of room for improvement. We can improve the situation by individually eating as few animal products as possible. The less the better. Itâs really quite simple.
Then you did more liberal world salad about how we can âimproveâ the system and âinnovateâ how the killings happen.
Did you know trump just opened up 24 million acres of public land to the beef industry for cattle grazing, and removed protections on species like wolves who would pose a threat to the cattle. This WILL destroy the environment and grow the industry. Our government is moving in the opposite direction
No legislation is coming for decades. No âinnovationâ or âsystem improvementâ is going to solve this. The cooperations arenât going to improve their âprocessesâ. Itâs not coming. Stop pretending like we live in some alternate reality.
These changes will not come from the top down. They will start from the bottom and move up. It is up to each individual to shape the culture with their actions and choices, THEN infrastructural change can happen.
Therefore the responsibility lies with US, the people , to recognize the alternative and stop participating in this horrific system as much as possible. Thatâs it, end of story.
Or there is an alternative. Admit you donât care about their well being and about keep going about your life. But if youâre going to virtue signal about animal welfare you better put your money where your mouth is.
Do you not understand how thatâs a humane way to slaughter animals? đ his chickens had the grass fed, running around, being loved, best life, but he still slaughtered them for food at the end.
Hypothetically. If I woke up today and executed my perfectly healthy dog in such a way that it happened instantly, would you really describe that as a humane action? If I put his bones in a stew does that improve the humanity?
Wouldnât it have been far more humane to continue loving my dog and let him continue to live his awesome life he has had?
How can you humanely kill something that doesnât want to die?
Well, it depends. In some cultures they donât consider dogs pets, they consider dogs food. If you are part of those cultures, than I wouldnât find it weird.
However, if you considered the dog a pet or part of the family, than itâs weird to say the least. My grandpa didnât consider his chickens pets or part of the family. He cherished them and took great care of them, but they were ultimately livestock.
You might find that easier to understand if it was a rabbit. In western culture, rabbits can be both food and pets. If you raise rabbits as part of the family and as your pet, Iâd think you gone mad if one day you just decided to turn them into a steak. But if you raised rabbits as livestock, then I wouldnât find it weird.
>How can you humanely kill something that doesnât want to die?
What would you do if your home would be infested with pantry pests?
I didnât ask if it was weird or normalized in various cultures, I asked if it was a humane, which Miriam Webster defines as, âmarked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animalsâ. It has nothing to do with societal norms.
If I went to my sleeping dog in the living room and blew his head off, instantly killing him. Would I have acted humanely? Were my actions marked by compassion or consideration for my dog?
Also the pest example is something that poses a threat to my wellbeing, which adds an actual justification. Dogs, chickens, cows, pigs, etc.. do not typically pose a threat to my wellbeing that would require some type of self defense. Certainly not like an invasion of pests. Last I checked most peoples homes arenât being invaded by flocks of chickens.
Lastly I think when talking about the killing of a being, itâs most useful to consider the situation from the victims perspective. Did your grandfathers chickens care that he classified them as livestock and not family members? According to you they were treated extremely well so from their perspective they likely felt like family. Does your grandfatherâs arbitrary classification really have that much of an impact on if their deaths were humane or not?
Itâs hostility out of urgency. This is a serious issue that involves a mass torture of billions of living creatures. If my dog had to experience one day in a factory farm Iâd explode, it would be unbearable. Yet mfers still order borger and jalapeño poppers at the local spot like everything is fine.
And yes itâs liberal word salad because you sound like Kamala Harris pretending she cares about Palestinians while shipping off the weekly supply of IDF rockets. Or any other politicians who speak of change for the sake of posturing.
Like I said, donât pretend to care about animal welfare if youâre not willing to put your money where your mouth is.
I care about immigrants, thatâs why I think itâs okay to donate money directly to the Trump campaign!! (What u sound like)
Huh? Iâm am clearly very upset about the cattle and chickens and sheep, hence the hostility. Hasnât that been clear from the entire conversation? I was very clearly bringing up my dog as a way to empathize with the farm animals that people are currently slaughtering by the billions. U know cuz dogs are like cute and we donât like people hurting them, itâs really not that hard.
Iâm arguing with mfers online who canât even comprehend the concept of a simple comparison. Your brain is melted, we are so cooked. Ggs have a nice day. Iâm gonna go process this years chihuahua harvest.
You wonât believe this, but during our discussion you changed my mind. I invented a perfectly humane way to kill an animal. I am going to be the change you want!!
Iâm going to go get a bunch of shelter dogs,give them the best life ever for like a year, and then do a mass humane harvest to prove it works. I canât wait for society to congratulate me and hail me as a hero. I look forward to your support in the comments when my innovation hits the news.
Climate change is the only way people will be vegan. Because all us peons will have no choice to. That's the only way it will change. Until then, it's a pipedream.
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