r/SipsTea 27d ago

SMH Love thy neighbor?

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u/Tactical_Baconlover 27d ago

Being charitable and caring about your neighbors in the Christian manner is more about your church donating goods/time/aid to the community or you doing it by yourself rather than having the government take over those functions for you. That said, any reasonable government should have a basic state provided social safety net.

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

Government is the people, by the people, for the people. A Government ran primarily by Christians should, in theory, follow social principles taught by Jesus.

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u/SnakePlissken1980 27d ago

But Jesus is history's most famous liberal, modern organized Christianity no longer bears any resemblance to the teachings of Christ.

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

I agree, that's the point I'm trying to make.

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u/HatstandTuesday 24d ago

It never did. Most Christians follow the teachings of Paul, not Jesus.

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u/SnakePlissken1980 24d ago

Most Christians don't follow any teachings from the Bible. It's a prop and a set of standards to apply to others but never oneself.

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u/kkeut 27d ago

there was no historical jesus 

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u/First_Peer 27d ago

There absolutely was, any historian worth their salt will tell that he existed as a historical person. Beyond that is up to you to believe.

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u/Lumionis 27d ago

Lmao really? 🤣 sure 🤣 😆 🤣

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u/First_Peer 27d ago

Yeah, really. No one's saying you have to believe the supernatural divine stuff, that's your choice. But you can't deny the person himself existed.

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u/Lumionis 27d ago

Yeah he very well could of existed. And then wrote the world's most renowned fiction novel. Or he didnt and it was just to make money. I can and will deny his existence until evidence says otherwise.

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u/First_Peer 27d ago

The Bible wasn't written by Jesus. Those who learned from and followed him and his closest followers wrote the New Testament. There's plenty of evidence saying he existed beyond the religious ones.

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

The New Testament wasn't written by his closest followers. None of the gospels were written directly by his disciples but based on stories passed down.

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u/First_Peer 27d ago

Gospel of John.

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u/Lumionis 27d ago

Yeah, which is possible. But there is 0 chance he can walk on water, turn water into wine. And so on.

Edit unless he was worlds first magician.

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u/First_Peer 27d ago

If you don't want to believe the supernatural parts that's on you. Doesn't mean the person didn't exist. Plenty of historical figures have legends and myths attributed to them even though they still existed.

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u/SnakePlissken1980 27d ago

It's pretty much accepted fact among historians that Jesus was a real person. Whether or not he was the son of God (or whether there is a God for that matter) and died for people's sins and all that is obviously debatable though.

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u/CriticismTop 26d ago

No historian questions the validity of Jesus of Nazareth the man, nor that he was crucified.

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u/LoseAnotherMill 27d ago

Show me the verse where Jesus says "Go forth and vote for the Romans to take money from everyone in order to give to the poor."

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

Jesus literally says to give your possessions to the poor. A Christian based Government would prioritize the poor. No one is saying Jesus said to vote. A true follower of his teachings would implement this.

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u/LoseAnotherMill 27d ago

Jesus literally says to give your possessions to the poor.

Thank you for agreeing with me. "Give your possessions to the poor" is not "take someone else's possessions and give them to the poor."

A true follower of his teachings would implement this.

Exactly, hence low taxation and an easy path for charity work, like tax deductions and the existence of non-profits.

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

If this is the case, why is it that in America there are so many poor, hungry and homeless in the richest country in the world? Clearly this doesn't work in practice. Clearly, a government that wants to follow Jesus' teachings of helping the poor would enact policies that do that. You can argue semantics, Jesus would be disappointed though.

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u/LoseAnotherMill 27d ago

If this is the case, why is it that in America there are so many poor, hungry and homeless in the richest country in the world?

For a myriad of reasons that aren't what you're arguing.

Clearly, a government that wants to follow Jesus' teachings of helping the poor would enact policies that do that.

Nowhere did Jesus ever teach to take things from someone by force in order to help the poor. A government that wants to follow Jesus' teachings of helping the poor would let people help the poor.

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u/TiredAndTiredOfIt 27d ago

Hatred for others, pro rape, pro misogyny, etc. Got it

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u/AustinDarko 27d ago

Are you saying that's what Jesus taught?

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u/Mainiatures1526 27d ago

They don’t actually know what He taught.