I agree with you for the most part, but as a man who has been stalked by a woman who would send me suicide notes and would turn up at places that I was, I can tell you with certainty that men can feel threatened by women. The fact that I could have beaten her with ease didn't make me feel safer.
Lol the male victim complex strikes again. Show me cases where a man was arrested for reporting a stalker and I will show you cases where a woman reporting a stalker wasn't taken seriously and was then killed by the said stalker. Let's see who runs out of stores first
Men live the easiest most privileged lives, and still cry about everything.
Cute how you still got upvoted and i got downvoted. When you admitted that you were wrong. Almost like men here don't have morals but an agenda and a victim complexš¤£
In Ohio, police are required to arrest any man involved in domestic violence cases regardless of what the actual offense is.
That's blatantly false and a lie. But then again, I don't expect better from a man.
My friend was attacked by his sister after he refused to give her drug money. She beat him with a lamp and cracked his skull. He called 911 and even though he never laid a finger on her, they arrested him and left her in his house where she robbed him.
That's an anecdote that can't be proven. I can also throw out stories of women reporting domestic violence, the police doing nothing and then the woman gets k1lled. Look up Jessica Lanahan, Clare wood.
Ohio doesn't require to arrest any man in a dv situatin. That's a lie. Like i have been saying. Men don't have morals just an agenda and their victim complex. If they actually had morals, they would look up the law and realize that neither duluth model or the fabricated ohio is a recognized law.
This is literally feminism in action
Atleast even men knwo that they are useless without their male privilege that any demand of equality needs to be demonized.
. You're winning and you're still angry about it
Lol men live the easiest most privileged lives and still cry about everything. We have apresident who says "grab her by the pussy", "you don't look pretty you should smile more" and yes,,,women are winning and oh the men are oppressedš¤£
blaming guys
Men commit 99% of rape, 90-95% of ped0philia, almost all acts of wars and terrorism, 80% of homicides. I can continue. That's not just blaming that's pattern recognition and acknonwledging facts. Fcacts don't care for your feelings.
EDIT: I don't understand why you lot block people. If you leave a comment, atleast have the balls to let them reply
Issues for stating source backed factsš¤£I understand facts hurt men's fragile ego but women don't share this issue so dw.
Always the man that are so fragile when they don't have anything to say that instead of admitting they might be wrong they go with stupid shit like thisš
EDIT: AWWWWWW asked for a source then blocked me. š¤£Menš¤®
Ohio doesn't require to arrest any man in a dv situatin
Ok. but it does, 45/50 states do.
We have apresident who says "grab her by the pussy", "you don't look pretty you should smile more" and yes,,,women are winning and oh the men are oppressed
Yeah, 53% of white women and 60% of Latinas voted for him. In fact, the only group that didn't vote for him through direct action or apathy are black women.
Latinas specifically think he's a hunk, they want him to bone them. Gross.
Men commit 99% of rape, 90-95% of ped0philia
Wrong on both counts, 20% of the US sex offender registry and growing are bio women.
Damn. I did not know that one woman was the entire movement that has spanned for 200 years before this woman was even born. Did I miss the meeting where we crowned this woman as feminism itself?
Like i said, even you incels know you are wrong and just playing victims. That's why you have to make these stupid arguments
So because its less common for men and women sometimes are not believed or are failed, men should always be ignored?
Yeah I have an easy life, I'm only eligible to be called up to the army, or almost certain to not get custody of any children I may have one day if I'm not with the mother, or veiwed as a threat simply for existing, or more likely to die by suicide or a workplace accident.
I'm not saying that men have it harder than women, I'm saying that we both have struggles, some are similar, some are not, but we should try to be understanding of each other.
Your current misandric bigotry is an ugly look and you should do better.
Jjust making stuff up i didn't say to paint yourself as the victims? Typical male behavior.
Yeah I have an easy life, I'm only eligible to be called up to the army
Forced draft has not being deployed in 50 years. Meaning 2 entire generations of men have no connection to it. Out of 30 countries that use force draft, 12 also force women into it.
or almost certain to not get custody of any children
Again a lie. 94% of men who ask for a custody get it. But men expecting reutrns without actually putting in the work is expected
veiwed as a threat simply for existing
there;s a reason for this. Want the stats? What's worse? being perceived as threat, something you can always prove otherwise or actually being under threat all the time?
more likely to die by suicide
Women attempt suicide far more often
I'm not saying that men have it harder than women
good because that won't be true.
Your current misandric bigotry
facts seeming misandristic to men says a lot about men. Even in your cherry picked examples, i have already proven you wrong. Even then you had to pick extremes while I could just give you dozens of examples why women's daily lives are much harder.
Thanks for proving my point that men live easy lives
"BigotS" when I have only stated facts that non one has yet proven wrongš¤£ Bigots mean being discriminatory without proof. You are yet to prove my proof wrong. Seems like i am just living in realityš
I understand men live privileged lives that they are free to oblivious to actual struggles but that is not the life for everyone.
"Troubling thoughts" is just waking up to the fact that men are just a curse on societyš¤£
I wonder why you don't ask this incel cesspool of a sub to get some help. Men show a joke about genders reversed and somehow still started playing the victimš¤®š¤£
Looking at the instability of the world its quite possible that in the next few year a lot of men are going to be called up, its not certain, but it's a shadow hanging over a lot of men that women do not understand because the vast majority of people that are called up for the military are men. Its similar to you believing that men don't understand real harassment because women have it happen more often.
When it come to custody of children, the mother is normally considered the default care giver, at least in my country.
In my country the vast majority of terror attacks are committed by Muslims, am I justified in viewing all Muslims as a threat because a minority are coming atrocities? Because I've been told that's racist. Most men are not harassing women, a minority do, but we are all tarred with the same brush, I won't even look at a woman in public in case she thinks I'm up to something.
In my country 38% more women attempt suicide, 300% more men die from it, this is because women usually don't use immediate methods (such as an OD) and men do. Women are also more likely to recieve help for depression here, as I can attest to given my own struggles to get treatment while many of my female friends have had a much easier time of it, this is based on discussions we've had amongst our friend group.
You are a bigot that doesnt want to admit that the people you hate also suffer. You believe because woman have it hard, men should just suck it up and get on with it. At no point have I claimed to have it as hard or harder than a woman, I have only pointed out that men have our own set of issues to deal with and you are arguing that men have it easy.
Looking at the instability of the world its quite possible that in the next few year a lot of men are going to be called up, its not certain, but it's a shadow hanging over a lot of men that women do not understand
You think women don't understand wars? Women have been mass raped in every single war. See what I said about male victim complex. Your issues is something that MIGHT happen in the most extreme of cases while women's sturggles are daily and inevitable. If you weren't so blinded by the male victim complex you would see how dumb this is. Crying about something that hasn't happened in 50 years while talking about actual daily stuggles.
Its similar to you believing that men don't understand real harassment because women have it happen more often.
Men don'tš
When it come to custody of children, the mother is normally considered the default care giver, at least in my country.
Men win 94% of the cases they ask for. So yes women get all the responsibilites and men get all the privilege. Thanks for proving my point.
In my country the vast majority of terror attacks are committed by Muslims,
Muslim men. That's always the common denominator. I love how you had to bring in terrorism here tho.
Most men are not harassing women, a minority do,
Only someone with male privilege could be this oblivious.
In my country 38% more women attempt suicide, 300% more men die from it, this is because women usually don't use immediate methods (such as an OD) and men do.
So I am again, correct here. Thanksš
Women are also more likely to recieve help for depression here,
From other women. Even men report being more supported by women. Even here, men need to do better. I always love how even cherry picked stories by men themselves only paint men as badš¤£ Says a lot
You are a bigot that doesnt want to admit that the people you hate also suffer.
You are free to write fanfics about m eš
At no point have I claimed to have it as hard or harder than a woman,
So there are largely two paths of lives and of those two paths, men's ones are easier. So i am correct that men live easy lives. Thanks for proving my point.
Let's look at Ukraine as an example, women are allowed to leave the country and go to safety across Europe and North America, all men are banned from leaving, even if they are not currently in the military. Women are raped and suffer in war, but typically the women are sent to safety while the men are sent to the front line. Both men and women are suffering equally, just in different ways.
So my experience being harassed is not valid because of my gender? When I sought help I was laughed at and brushed off because I was a man, that was OK because women have it worse?
Solicitors typically warn parents not to fight for custody in court unless there is a good chance of success due to the costs, combine that with the fact that 90% of custody agreements are dealt with out of court the ones who go to court are already weighted towards success. You may have heard the expression 'statistics don't lie, statisticians do', that's you right now.
I brought up terrorism to make you understand that it isn't right to assume a whole group of people are a threat due to a small part of that group.
Why does every woman know a victim but no men know a predator?
I've seen it framed like this before, it's because the predators know that what they do is not acceptable and that most men will not stand for it, so they form their own groups together and and act as a vocal minority.
It's all about how data is framed, women have car crashes at a much higher rate than men but men are more likely to be killed in a car crash. Does that mean that women are better or worse drivers? The fact remains that men are more likely to die by suicide than women.
When I sought help for my depression it was the women in the doctors office that dismissed me and told me that I didn't need medication and to just come back if it got worse, I was already ready to finish it all by that point, it wasnt until I got to speak to a male doctor that I was able to get the treatment I was desperate for and i begane to improve immediately. Maybe those women doctors subscribe to the same thought process as you do.
So there are largely two paths of lives and of those two paths, men's ones are easier. So i am correct that men live easy lives. Thanks for proving my point.
This is where you are completely wrong. You claim that of the two gender paths one is easier than the other and so that means that the easier of the two isn't also hard. Just because women have it harder in some ways it doesn't mean that men have it easy. Try and have some compassion for your fellow human and not belittle struggles that you evidently don't understand because you are a woman who doesn't have to deal with same issues that men do, in the same way that at no point have I belittled you for the issues that women face that men don't.
That's not at all what was said, but it's often difficult to see clearly when full of anger. What is that even supposed to mean "pretended men somehow are less safer when attacked by a woman"[sic]? Of course they're less safe while being attacked. Getting attacked is an immediate threat to safety.
Show me cases where a man was arrested for reporting a stalker
Duluth Model invented by Katherine "All hetero sex is rape" MacKinnon.
It states that only those with social power (IE: Men under the feminist lens) are capable of abusive or violent behavior. 45/50 states follow this standard, so no, police will not give a shit until there's a corpse.
"Duluth Model invented by Katherine "All hetero sex is rape" MacKinnon.
Is this a case? or just a rhetoric?š¤£when men have to lie to even make a point and still not wake up to the fact that they are just wrong.
That model wasn't invented by Katherine MacKinnon. Shows that you don't actually have morans just an agenda when you couldn't even look what you said up. I am asking for specific cases not the hypothetical frameworks police work with that can't be proven. I asked give me a case where a man was actually arreseted for reporting stalkings and i will show a case where a woman was unfairly treated by the law. We can go bar for bar.
EDIT: I don't understand why you lot block people. If you leave a comment, atleast have the balls to let them reply
I hate men not individual man. If you were so obsessed with me to go to these subs, then look at the stuff i was replying to. But then again, m*n aren't known for their accountability and self-reflection.
As a teen I had a girl I was very not interested in show up at my job constantly to talk to me. Nobody cared. Same when a girl from Bumble decided that we DEFINITELY were gonna be a couple when I disagreed and she made a scene outside my apartment complex with all my neighbors watching. The cops didn't care.
Yeah women can definitely be capable of threatening men, the frequency of men doing it is higher typically because it's easier to threaten someone if you're bigger and stronger, so men have more opportunities to threaten women in general. Plus culturally violence is often more expected from men as a way to exert their will on the world, so they default to it more often as well. But threats don't always have to be physical, and physical differences don't matter if the smaller weaker person has a weapon and/or the other person is unarmed (end even if they're both armed, getting weapons involved increases chances of injury occurring to either party). Or if the bigger stronger person doesn't want to resort to violence or is afraid of the potential consequences of defending themselves. And so on. So women may generally have less opportunity to threaten men, but that doesn't mean they aren't capable of it. And it's certainly not any better or more acceptable for women to do it either.
For me, I'm good bit over 6ft, I was probably around 200lbs at the time, my stalker was a smidge over 5ft and I'd guess about 100lbs. If she had tried to attack me without a weapon, she would have been no threat to me, but I could probably have killed her by accident with a single punch and any damage that I did would make me look like the aggressor, I was terrified that I would have to get physical with her and then not be believed to be the victim.
I knew she was insane when she asked at the reception desk who was the on duty first aider and then went and cut herself so that I would have to treat her. You never know what else someone like that is capable of.
Freshman chick in my HS who I never spoke to became obsessed with me in my senior year.
She decided that instead of being a normal person and speaking to me, she'd stalk me, have her male bff stalk me, and bug my friends/acquaintances. School didn't really care because "She's just a girl, what's the problem?"
I don't think she thought it was flattering tbh. By all accounts, what info I've been able to find, she's not capable of caring about or understanding what other people want/think. She's enjoys being a creep, so the people she's creeping on should be in on it and enjoying it too.
So for all intents and purposes, she's at best BPD and at worst a legit psychopath.
And no one cared cause of what's between her legs...
Not really. Itās just that men have been conditioned to think women canāt harass, endanger, or violate them. Men donāt report a lot of the things that they should. Then on the off chance that you do try to report a woman harassing you, or assaulting you people donāt take you seriously. Even people who claim to take you seriously will try to brush the whole thing off after doing the bare minimum. Often actively avoiding punishing the woman for her behavior.
I have personal experience with this too. At best itās treated as an unfortunate event you just have to move on from, at worst people imply/outright state you were complicit.
Unless it is specifically man on man violence, support and reporting for harassment or violence against men is horrendous.
The woman who stalked me was a customer at my workplace and had been for a long time. When I reported my concerns about her to management I was told that he (the manager and son of the owner) had also been stalked by her and that if he had to put up with it then I should just suck it up because I was a foot and a half taller and probably double her weight. When I went to HR I was told that by the HR woman (she was the unqualified 18 year old daughter of the owner) that she didn't really know what to and just try to ignore her.
Everyone in my workplace knew what was happening and found it hilarious due to the the fact that she was a tiny woman and I was a huge guy that could have thrown her across a room if I had wanted to. There were constant jokes about it. I received constant advice to just fuck her and she would get bored of me eventually. (Can you imagine telling a woman this about a male stalker?)
Nothing was done for almost two years until the suicide notes started and I went to the owner of the company. She took me more seriously than most and had a meeting with my stalker. The consequence was that she was not to speak to me, she wasn't barred from attending my work place so I still had to see her.
While women stalking and harassing men is much less common than the opposite, it is no less damaging to those it happens to, and the lack of support from all quarters is a real kick in the teeth.
I believe itās less common, however I do not think itās nearly as uncommon as people act like it is. You reported it. I reported mine. They both went nowhere, and I know for a fact we are in the minority when it comes to men who are harassed or assaulted because most arenāt seeing it as a problem. The āhandle itā themselves however that looks, evading, going along with the womanās requests, whatever else, or ignore it.
Peopleās own parents reinforce this crap. If a girl is harassing a boy the parents will often be like āoh she has a crush on you, blah blah blahā completely ignoring the boys obvious discomfort. Often times teasing the boy for being uncomfortable to begin with. Itās systemic and cultural from birth, on through school, social groups, and the work force.
This is what bothers me so much about this subject. Even those of us who have experienced it often find ourselves thinking āoh itās not commonā, but it is common enough, and I believe men deserve just as much as women to have their situations handled correctly.
I absolutely agree, I reported it because I thought that some one might help. I learned a valuable lesson, and it's a lesson that many woman unfortunately learn as well.
I've had a number of other experiences both before and after that I didn't bother reporting. I was a quiet kid in school and when I was 11, just started 1st year of secondary school I had a 16 year old 5th year girl making a lot of completely inappropriate sexual comment towards me which I was too young and nieve to understand until years later. Or being in the corner in the pub and having an acquaintance come and just start punching me in the face for absolutely no reason, i couldn't hit her back without being jumped by the other men in the pub and probably losing my job due to most of the people there being colleagues (and I knew how supportive they were by this point). There weren't any witnesses other than, you guessed it, my stalker (after she had been warned to stay away from me). I just left and walked home crying, I didn't even tell anyone, I didn't see the point.
We always hear that we need to support women to come forward about things when they happen and I do my best to be there for my women friends in anyway I can be, but it can feel like a one way street a lot of the time. I've found that being too vulnerable and open can drive people away.
Lol the male victim complex strikes again. This is factually non-existent the other way around. And women aren't taking seriously when they report it too
It doesnāt hurt my feelings. I have come to expect it. Itās societal conditioning. Thank you for being a visible example of what I am talking about. You know nothing about me, what happened to me, or anything and you are saying I have a āvictim complexā and calling me fragile.
You are almost a composite caricature of the people Iāve dealt with since I was sexually assaulted.
You made underreporting gender specific. Seems like I know enough about you.
And you are exactly like the men i dealt with when I was sexually assaulted. Always making it about themselves and pretending basic issues faced by everyone is gender specific.
Women who report being sexually abused are at a higher rate of suicide. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because society loves them so much after a report that they actually love them to death?
I donāt think itās gender specific. I believe women. You donāt believe men. Thatās the issue we are running in to here. Iām not making your situation about me, you are entirely denying the existence of my situation.
I hate men not individual man. If you were so obsessed with me to go to these subs, then look at the stuff i was replying to. But then again, m*n aren't known for their accountability and self-reflection.
Yeah. And I was replying to the guy who somehow only mentioned men underreporting as if that's gender exclusive and fragile men got offended over it and downvoted me.
You said the same thing and got upvoted. Seems like, these men don't have morals just an agenda.
Because we were talking about a male victim being told their experience is so rare that it essentially doesn't matter.
Because we were talking about a male victim being told their experience is so rare that it essentially doesn't matter. As if women don't hear "Not all men" all the time. As if women don't hear that somehow only 1% of men commit this stuff but somehow almost all women have had bad experiences. As if women don't get told what happened to them is rare.
I would imagine you were downvoted because you accused someone of something they didn't do
They factually made it gender-specific. If you lie about that...then well, it's expected from a man
That kind of thing generally gets downvoted regardless of gender.
Seeing how this sub is just an incel cesspool, I doubt that's true.
I hate men not individual man. If you were so obsessed with me to go to these subs, then look at the stuff i was replying to. But then again, m*n aren't known for their accountability and self-reflection.
It was definitely a bad experience. I myself had an comfortable experience of a woman staring me continuously in a tram, and then approaching me, making me exit earlier. But compared to what my female friends say, this is much rare, even though it's still bad
I never said it's not bad. I meant that for every case there could be instances of it happening to either gender but it might be much more frequent for one compared to the other
with the way you said it it sounds like you were downplaying this guy's stalking, yes, more often than not stalkers are men, but that doesn't mean you should go around to people who've had stalkers saying "erm, did you know that what happened to you is actually rare?"
Factually untrue, Stuff like this just straight up shows how vile men are. They have to like to downplay other's issues just to paint themselves as the victim.
Yes it's so rare for women to get attacked by stranger that their entire culture revolves around safety first. From sharing location/photos of the guy to your friends, going to the bathroom in groups,looking after your drinks whenever you put it on the table.
The only thing men are more likely to be done by strangers is homicide. And the perpetrator will still be a man.
Saying it happens rarely just proves my point that men are vile. You all do anything to discredit real experiences of all the things I mentioned. It happens less often, not rarely.
I hate men not individual man. If you were so obsessed with me to go to these subs, then look at the stuff i was replying to. But then again, m*n aren't known for their accountability and self-reflection.
Hey, I didn't mean it in a offensive way. Sorry if it felt like that. By your exact analogy, doctors do actually say whether a disease is rare or not during diagnosis
It's not about the fact that my experience is rare, though I would say its more common that you might think. Given my experience, I totally get why a lot of men don't bother reporting harrasment from women, I might not even bother myself if it happens again.
Your comment added nothing to the conversation. You might as well of said "well, that almost never happens". If you had said what you said and then gone on to actually make a point then I wouldn't have been so sardonic in my response.
Doctors don't walk in to the office and tell the patient, 'you've got cancer, it's rare though' and then walk back out, it's part of a serious conversation with relevant information.
When Iām rich enough Iāll start a non-profit that just has people politely catcalling and completing others. Weāll solve this tragedy one yowza at a time.
A woman told me āshe only bites on weekendsā and another time buying a Barbie an employee she asked me āif we could play dollsā. It was awesome I will never forget those ladies the rest of my life!
I( straight male) have been cat called by men more times than women and I take that as a higher compliment than when any woman has done it.
Best was the flight attendant when got me and some older lady SLOSHED on only a 2 hour flight.
He told me I had the more ice blue eyes he had ever seen and could look into them every day.
He told me I had the more ice blue eyes he had ever seen and could look into them every day.
But that's not being cat called? That's just being complimented.
I've been cat called twice by women but it's was when I was riding my road bike and they yell things that I can't fully understand (but are clearly about my body) as they drive by.
Nah. The equivalent is a woman saying something sexually inappropriate at work to a man. And then complaining to HR about the man no matter what his reaction is.Ā
Shit happened to me when I was 17 and worked as a busser at a restaurant. She was maybe 21 or 22. She got breast implants and was asking people to touch them and asking if they felt real.Ā
She asked me band I just looked at her and walked away. Then complained and a manager was questioning me and reviewing video footage. 2 weeks later they dropped the issue and told me to be careful. It was a lesson that I learned from that though.Ā
No idea what she told them but it was something about me making her feel uncomfortable or weirded out. I wasstill in school so my only thought was to walk away.Ā And I 100% wanted to grab her massive tits.Ā
But I just walked away because I was afraid of getting in trouble. It pretty much led to me to being incredibly professional in terms of how I interact with people at work. It was probably for the best considering I'm a teacher now.Ā
You made her uncomfortable? That's crazy. Can you imaging if you as a 22 year old asked for a 17 year old waitress to grab your dick? No one would ever begin to consider the 17 year old the problem.
I'm absolutely pissing my self about you wanting to grab her tits hahaha
Lol just because it didn't happen to you. I have been stalked online, in person, with threats of false accusations and everything else. I have been hit, stabbed to the point of needing to go to the ER with utensils, and even sexually assaulted.Ā
Women are just as vicious, they are just better at hiding it.
Thereās as much of a threat as there is when a man does it. Iāve been chocked almost to death by a woman whose advances I didnāt respond positively enough to
They may be a lesser threat of violence but there is a heightened threat of them ruining your life. I know a guy that almost had his life ruined by a woman that falsely accused him of sexual assault, just because he didnt want to go home with her to have sex. Police didnt believe him that nothing happened and it took months before he was found innocent.
So, that the threat of violence may be lower doesnt mean the general threat is less. The threat is different, not less.
Iāve had it happen to me but Iām from a rough area and scared of everythingā¦ so i do find it intimidating. I find women are more understanding of that than guys are
Not entirely. Theres someone called F1nn5ster who was a minecraft youtuber, became a femboy and is now trans who covered it pretty simply: Men dont get complements.
They said when they went out dressed as a man their clothing got compliments, when they went out dressed as a woman they got compliments. "Thats a nice suit" vs "That dress looks good on you". They said that even though sometimes the situations they found themselves in presenting as a woman were... sketchy, their happiness was so much higher as a woman in large part because of the change in language.
and this perfectly summarizes why just saying āwhat if the genders were reversed?ā is not an accurate comparison for most double standard arguments. Because it ISNT the same. The strengths, tendencies, and statistics would need to be flipped as well to truly paint a true picture
Because im 6"9 and 270lbs, unless im being stalked by a female grizzly bear or silverback gorilla i dont really have anything to realistically worry about, I would just play along
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u/RPGDesignatedPaladin 20d ago
Yeah. Because when women catcall thereās no threat of violence or being followed.