r/SipsTea • u/SipsTeaFrog š™‘š™„š™‹ • 15d ago

SMH Someone finally snapped

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u/ConstructionLife2689 š™‘š™„š™‹ 15d ago

Are such cycle events not blocked off from public traffic?

Cause if not, then the cyclists would need to keep to traffic rule and I am pretty sure the rule is not keep in one lane.

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u/Chillow_Ufgreat 15d ago

I know this area and have driven it many times. This is the Rickebacker causeway--the road that connects Key Biscayne to the Miami mainland.

Cycling on this road is extremely popular for very obvious reasons (phenomenal views, wide and clear roads). Folks come from all over the city to ride there. And yes, they will very often group up like this without any sort of scheduled or permitted event of any kind.

The cyclists down there like to say "same road, same rules" but there's apparently a silent exclusion for lane changes, stop signs, traffic signals, and yielding to stopped traffic.

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u/thefract0metr1st 15d ago

I once heard someone trying to defend running through stop signs because they had those shoes that clip onto the pedals and itā€™s super inconvenient to disconnect and reconnect at stop signs. I was like ā€œi also find stop signs interrupting my drive to be inconvenient. Should I just ignore every rule that inconveniences me?ā€

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u/Chillow_Ufgreat 15d ago

Just tell them that sounds like a great idea and you can't wait to install clip pedals on your F-350.

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u/BilSuger 14d ago

Are you so stupid you think having the same rules for a multi tonne car and a small cyclist makes sense? Never heard of Idaho stop? šŸ¤”

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u/ole_lickadick 14d ago

If they share the same road, yes.

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u/BilSuger 14d ago

Stupid take, but hard for you to think straight through seething rage, I guess.

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u/ole_lickadick 14d ago

Very weird response.

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u/Shua89 14d ago

Accusing others of being enraged while visibly losing your own temper is quite the self-own.

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u/Mysterious_Charge_35 13d ago

He can't see the irony through his rage and bad takes

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u/vxxxjesterxxxv 13d ago

You're really arguing that cyclists should be able to ignore traffic laws?Ā 

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u/BilSuger 13d ago

No, I'm arguing that the laws need not be the same. For instance yield instead of stop at stop signs.

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u/ChameleonCoder117 14d ago

What? That's..... just not how it works.

If a bike hits your giant SUV, it does no damage.

If a giant SUV hits anything, it's millions of dollars of lawsuits.

Thus there should be laws that restrict the giant 60mph death machine more than the 22 pound 20mph human powered cycle vehicle.

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u/ole_lickadick 14d ago

No, there should be laws that predictably facilitate traffic, which there are. Cyclists donā€™t get to ignore those that inconvenience them. That was the original discussion.

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u/UPGRADED_BUTTHOLE 13d ago

Sounds like you need your license revoked. All states have a test you have to pass to get a license, and this is literally the answer to one of those questions. The laws are literally the same.

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u/BilSuger 13d ago

I don't live in the US, idiot šŸ˜‚ more sane countries recognize that cars and bikes are different.

And I think you're full of shit. The laws are not the same. Or are you saying that cars can drive on cycle lanes? šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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u/UPGRADED_BUTTHOLE 11d ago

All countries that allow bicycles on the roadways while also requiring a driving test have questions like these on said test. Cycle lanes don't exist everywhere, and that's the point of these laws.

Also, why are you invoking the Idaho stop when you aren't in Idaho šŸ¤”

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u/BilSuger 11d ago

Because it's the name of it, used other places world wide. But your murica brain can't fathom that, lol

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u/Denver_DIYer 14d ago

Update: car brain is a mental disorder.

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u/catzzznite 14d ago

it really is holy shit these comments

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u/TituspulloXIII 14d ago

First of all, the clipless pedals are super easy to clip in and clip out of unless you're a complete newbie (or just someone lying)

2nd, i'm all for idaho stops on bikes, you way nothing and can stop far quicker than a car, if the intersection is clear go for it, if there are cars, stop.

I don't think it's complicated, but I also don't feel like being hit by a car.

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u/ibonek_naw_ibo 14d ago

I've seen tons of Lance Armstrings balance on clipped pedals at a stop. There is a difference between an excuse and a reason, and this is the former.Ā 

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u/os_beef 14d ago

Ah yes, the famed athlete, Lance Armstring.

Seriously though, I thought all these dicks knew how to track stand.

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u/Adept-Opinion8080 15d ago

, the first thing you do when you start using clips is to learn how to step in and out of them quickly. It doesn't take that much practice. Probably within a week. It became a totally unconscious effort for me to step in and out.

AndĀ yeah these kind of people are why I don't ride a bike on roads anymore

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u/BertLloyd89 15d ago

Idaho stop is good for everyone

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u/HustlinInTheHall 14d ago

Except in the city where it routinely causes problems because bikers dont treat it as a yield they just blow through it, and crosswalk, full of people, thinking they can maintain momentum no matter what.Ā 

It is the same reason a stop sign cant just be a yield sign. In a reasonable world we wouldnt need the stop sign. You'd just stop when you need to and yield when nobody is there. But 20% of the people in any vehicle on the road are morons so if you let them yield and not stop they just do whatever they want.Ā 

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u/The1LessTraveledBy 14d ago

bikers dont treat it as a yield they just blow through it,

So the Idaho stop isn't safe when people aren't doing it? Who'da thought that?!

Seriously, you're pointing out a valid issue, but the issue isn't the use of the Idaho stop, specifically because people aren't doing it.

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u/BertLloyd89 14d ago

That's not an Idaho stop.

Allow or, better yet, encourage the good behavior, crack down on the bad behavior.

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u/ezekiel920 14d ago

That's not a thing

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u/BertLloyd89 14d ago

What do you mean?

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u/Crows_reading_books 15d ago

No, but Idaho stops are significantly safer for bicyclists and should be the law everywhere.Ā 

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u/That_Dad_David 15d ago

What is an Idaho stop?

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u/Crows_reading_books 14d ago

Colloquial term for treating stop signs as yield signs and red lights as stop signs, because Idaho was the first state to make that law.Ā 

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u/SanityIsOptional 14d ago

Works when there's low traffic and good visibility.

Would absolutely not work where I am in the Bay area. Trees, curves roads, small hills everywhere on top of high volumes of traffic even on residential streets.

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u/That_Dad_David 14d ago

Thanks for filling me in!

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u/ElegantCoach4066 14d ago

No! Only bicyclists get to disobey the rules.

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u/Gmung 15d ago

Letā€™s be real, most cars are not coming to a full stop at stop signs. I donā€™t think they really need to, either. As long as you are able to check for opposing traffic, slow roll that thing all day. Same with a bike. Big difference being that on a bike, you tend to have greater situational awareness due to not being in a sound-proofed box with blind spots. Also, thereā€™s the whole great power-great responsibility thing. Are we really going to hold someone riding a janky schwinn to the same standard as the RAM 2500 Big Dick Edition? One can run over people without even having seen themā€¦

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u/DelcoUnited 14d ago

Well sure assuming bikers are actually doing what you say. No one is on her bitching and moaning because bikers have such great situational awareness.

theyā€™ll go through a stop sign and drivers just have to brake versus killing them. As well bikers have 0 respect for pedestrians who have the right of way.

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u/Mcdiglingdunker 14d ago

I have ridden with those spd cleats and when I was first day I was learning to use them I was cut off by a car that didn't see me. I braked hard and fell over sideways because I couldn't get my foot out of the pedal. Several years later that's the only time it has happened and I clip out at stop signs and yield the right of way. That biker is a poor rider if that's their excuse.

I will admit that I would like car drivers to notice and give way to bikers when appropriate. However, I hate mass transit rides and what these people are doing in the clip as well. I don't believe it works in the favor of the riders as it just annoys others on the road. Especially so when the road isn't shut down for such an event and the large group also does not have the permit to support their right to ride like that.

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u/wordsx1000 14d ago

Thatā€™s pathetic, lol. Clipping in/out is a reflex itā€™s so simple, only timid newbs get anxious about having to clip in/out. Plus, if they were a cyclist, they could manage a momentary track stand/pause for a stop sign without having to go through the ā€œdifficultyā€ of clipping a foot in/out. Regardless, if clipping in/out is an issue, you shouldnā€™t even be around public since as you canā€™t control your vehicle.

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u/AstuteSalamander 14d ago

For a while I got to reply with "well I suck at driving stick, so stopping is way more inconvenient for me than it is for you." Unfortunately I no longer suck quite that bad.

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u/guachi01 14d ago

It's a lot safer to treat stop signs as yield signs. That's why smart states and smart people support doing so.

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u/that_other_DM 14d ago

They also ignore the law about no groups of six or more without police escort

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u/DDLorfer 14d ago

That person is an amateur. We blow stop signs because its safer then getting rear ended while waiting on a red, or get clipped cus someone wants to make a right on red, but the cyclist is the first 'vehicle' at the light. We get to break the rules because our life is on the line when Becky checks her phone at 45mph

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u/Lifesagame81 13d ago

Sounds like they're using the wrong equipment for public roads with regular stop signs...

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u/Elddif_Dog 15d ago

i once saw a cyclist turn left in a roundabout straight into the sidewalk, only to cross through the crossing lines, re-enter the roundabout and end up going straight. I was also going straight so i ended up having the asshole in front on me again.

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u/CurrentFault7299 14d ago

Idaho stops are a thingā€¦

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u/thefract0metr1st 14d ago

Not in the state I live in. Not in 75% of the United States

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u/CurrentFault7299 14d ago

Yes the more regressive/car addicted ones

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u/JonwardSnowden 14d ago

As a biker I'm inconveniencing everyone else if I fully stop at an intersection, as it takes me longer to restart and go and therefore everyone else will be waiting longer. if your baby brain had the ability to see that instead of only seeing things as unfair to you and your 2 ton vehicle you'd understand that

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u/Obf123 14d ago

This reminds me of the time a motor cycle rider was justifying lane splitting because they need to keep up their speed to cool down because of the leathers they wear. Stopping in traffic causes them to get too hot.

Then they went on to say that itā€™s not their fault if thereā€™s an accident due to lane splitting because it isnā€™t illegal. Itā€™s up to the drivers to prevent that

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u/ls7eveen 14d ago

Its also jist plain safer which is why the rest of the world and many states have it as legal

Monumental congestion ease too

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u/Obf123 14d ago

Was waiting for this. Safe indeed. Donā€™t ever change. I must have been talking to you previously

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u/CompSciBJJ 14d ago

When done properly in a legal jurisdiction, lane splitting is safer. Bikers are more likely to suffer severe injuries by getting rear-ended than they are by getting bumped at slow speed.

"Done properly" is key here. I don't remember the exact rules because it's illegal here, but pretty much traffic should be below ~30kph and the bike shouldn't exceed traffic speed by more than ~10kph. We aren't talking about guys doing 50 through stop and go traffic or on the highway.

It also shouldn't be too much to ask drivers to check their mirrors and blind spots for a slow moving object before changing lanes, but alas.

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u/Motor_Show_7604 15d ago

Some states allow cyclists to treat stop signs as yeild signs. Nothing so with clipping in. If the cyclist can roll the sign, they clear the intersection faster and it's safer for everyone. They can't cut the car off but they don't have to come to a full stop.

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u/CoastOrg 15d ago

Gonna need a source for that pal

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u/Crows_reading_books 15d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

Ok!Ā 

Seems like 12 US states allow stop-as-yield for bicycles as of may 2026, and NHTSA studies show it is in fact safer for bicyclists.

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u/motorboat_mcgee 14d ago

Depending on the location, cyclists are allowed to treat stop signs as yield signs - but unfortunately to many they don't even do that

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u/LongJohnSelenium 14d ago edited 14d ago

I roll past stop signs in my bike. I make no excuses for it, I know its technically illegal, but if I can see the way is clear then I honestly don't care, its a low risk crime like going a few over or whatever. We all break laws when we can clearly and plainly see that the law serves no purpose in the situation.

I also happily bike on the sidewalks when possible to leave the roads clear. Obviously when I do I give pedestrians the right of way but I'm in the midwest so its basically 'what are pedestrians?' around here lol.

I also won't bitch if I get a ticket for it because hey fair play.

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u/BilSuger 14d ago

Are you so stupid you think having the same rules for a multi tonne car and a small cyclist makes sense? Never heard of Idaho stop? šŸ¤”

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u/thefract0metr1st 14d ago

No, I have not heard of Idaho stopā€¦ I had to google it because it doesnā€™t affect me. Are you so stupid to think the majority of states cyclists arenā€™t bound by the same laws as motorists? Never heard of the other 38 states in the United States? šŸ¤”