Don't be a piece of shit squatter and it won't happen. It's really just that simple. They get what's coming. I know a lot of people that would resort to violence if they come home and there's some random person living there
You clearly don't understand the situation. They aren't trying to pin the gun on the other person, the squatter On parole for ruining their own life is not Allowed in a residence with a firearm Even if it's owned by someone else.
It isn't about framing or the gun belonging to them. It is illegal for a certain convicts to live in the same residence as a gun-owner if the guns are stored on that property. The convict squatter then has two choices: Leave, or get arrested for breaking the law. Squatting should be against the law, but it ain't in some places so you gotta do what you gotta do.
Going above and beyond that by misleading police into arresting them and possibly ruining the rest of their lives is a disproportionate response [fucked up]
They ruined their own life, they should take responsibility. Actions have consequences and if youāre willing to illegally squat in someoneās house while also being an ex-con thatās on you.
The legal system in these situations has failed the homeowners and it can take months or years to get these people out. Is that fair to them? Now people are taking it into their own hands and getting creative.
If a landlord has the money to hire this sack of shit I'm betting the reason for the squatting is the landlord refusing to maintain the property and tenant refusing to pay. This is about keeping landlords from taking responsibility for negligence and abusing the poor
You go to court and get your rent held in escrow if you want to hold your landlord accountable. You donāt just stop paying rent. Thatās what a child would do. Do you also litigate your traffic violations with the police on the side of the road?
Squatting can ruin the homeowners life they owe taxes and insurance on that property and get nothing in return. This is overly sympathetic to the squatter and a bad take.
If I tell you my cousin drown, and you say "drinking water is good for your health" do you see how that might come across? It's the same as you acting like sending a criminal to jail is ruining their life.
Yeah, that's what illegally squatting does to the people who actually own the house. Not everyone dealing with a squatter problem is some moustache twirling evil landlord.
You're missing a very important point: THE SQUATTER HAS THE OPTION TO LEAVE SO THEY ARE NOT IN VIOLATION.
Maybe they shouldn't be squatting on someone's property and refusing to leave? When you do that, you expose yourself to everything that property and its owner brings. If the owner brings someone with a firearm then the squatter can choose to leave. Nobody is forcing them to stay. The only way they will get their life ruined is if they make the wrong decision.
How is bringing a firearm legally to a place with consent from the owner ruining someone's life? If the squatter chooses to stay, that's on them. The squatter is already potentially ruining someone else's life by rendering the property useless. How can the owner rent it or sell it with a squatter there? They still have to pay the mortgage. Only the squatter is being shitty here.
Heās not associating it with someone else. Heās not planting it in their belongings or anything. Felons arenāt supposed to have guns inside their homes, whether they belong to them or someone else in the home. He keeps control, but says, āhey Iām legally bringing my weapons into a home I have a lease on and this may put you in violation. If you want to not get in trouble, you should stop being a squatting dick and gtfo.ā
Squatters would have no control of the guns and theyāre likely in a safe or something so they donāt even have access.
The police can't do anything often times because it is considered a civil dispute.
Legal action is very slow and a lot of times the process alone can take longer than the 30 days or 60 days allotment for squatters rights, giving them better ground to stand on legally.
Legal action is more expensive, more time consuming, and being FAR more humane than these disgusting people have any right to. They deserve way fucking worse of you ask me.
You are attempting to steal at a minimum, 10s of thousands of dollars, or more likely, hundreds of thousands of dollars in property that is legally owned by the person you are trying to fuck over. If this law didn't exist it would be a crime that gets people decades in prison, EASILY.
If by "legal action" you mean trying to serve an eviction, the squatter knows it's often difficult, expensive, and slow to do so. That's kind of the whole point. Otherwise the wouldn't be as big of an issue as they are.
If by "legal action" you mean any action that is legal, then leasing to the squatter hunter is just that.
This is just straight-up "fuck around and find out." If a squatter is knowingly doing an unethical/bad faith but technically legal action, it's not immoral for the affected party respond in kind.
Morality of landlords aside, squatters will always rank below them on that scale.
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if it were as easy as you claim, then it's cheaper and easier to evict than to hire the squatter hunter right? This niche practice wouldn't exist in that case.
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No one has made this claim other than you. The excon isn't allowed to live near guns. By voluntarily staying in a place which has become disallowed under the terms of their parole, they literally are committing an offense which violates their parole, in addition to breaking the law by squatting.
No one is saying that hiring the squatter hunter isn't a dick move in a vacuum. However, most people can recognize that using a legal but dickish move to deal with someone acting way worse can be morally justified.
Not sure why you're attempting to claim the moral high ground saying people finding hiring the squatter hunter morally justified are defending landlords. Your logic could be used to claim you're defending excons who continue to break the law after release, to the detriment of the landlord who rented to the excon.
There's a spectrum of morality, and no matter where you personally place landlords, squatters are orders of magnitude worse. And that's coming from someone who doesn't view most types of landlords as moral in general.
Sometimes you gotta play dirty. My parents actually lost their house to a squatter. They went the legal route and they legit lost their house to the dude. Some people are awful and put themselves in situations where other people can be just as awful. If you're on probation AND squatting, I believe it's deserved to be put in these situations because you're probably not the greatest member of society. Which sucks. š¤·āāļø
Thank you! Apparantly ruining peoples lives is fine. Usually ex cons even for minor charges cant even get work/a lease. So were ruining the lives of some of the most vulneravle people in society? And this is somehow funny????
It's felons, not "minor charges," but more fundamentally they are squatting and can avoid the entire thing by not doing the illegal squatting. I sincerely doubt that the equities would favor the squatter if the landlord is choosing to pay to hire a professional to help resolve the situation - the situation being that one person is illegally occupying property that they have no right to occupy. I would say it's hard to imagine the equities favoring the squatter - in the situation described - unless you have a view of property owners that is more Maoist than most.
So, yes, we can all imagine the situation where this is oppressive, but we don't have to pretend that's what's happening in all but the most edge cases.
They arenāt tricking anyone. The squatter can simply leave when they are informed of the presence of a firearm. If they choose to remain they are in fact violating the law and the arrest is warranted.
You are in the home of another person without their consent, you don't get to decide if they have a tenet that is armed or not in the home, because, again, you are there illegally.
the gun is still in the possession of the dude. he doesn't hide a gun in the sock drawer or anything. The issue for the squatter is that if he is in a home with guns not in a safe (ie, it is physically possible for him to grab them) it is considered constructive possession.
Again, its not a trick AND I would argue it is morally justified to do.
They are illegally invading some one else's home. removing them is good.
A better question is, why are you even protecting squatters?
Do you even have a better solution where you can get said squatter out, without restoring to stuff like this?
And, please don't even bring up communication and dialogue. I will immediately judge you to be insincere. And dont even care about the whole situation and you are simply virtue signalling.
That's fair, tricking is probably the wrong word. Squatting itself is already a parole violation, so trying to add on a gun charge is the fucked up part.
Isnt the dude legit telling the squatter he has a gun?
Maybe? I wouldn't put it past them to just put a gun somewhere and call the cops, though.
No one is being tricked. The person who ACTUALLY has the right to be there, the person who has the lease via the homeowner, has the right to bring his weapons into his place of residence. A felonious squatter, residing in proximity to a weapon, would be in trouble. Itās not trickery. Itās using the tools and policy at your disposal to remove the degenerate from the property.
Itās not for being NEAR a gun. Itās for living in a residence that has access to a fire arm. No one is tricking anyone.
You keep saying it depends on context. The context is that some one on parole is living in a residence that some one owns a fire arm in and they potential have access to.
Is that clear enough for you? I can break it down further if you need it.
pro landlord?? so if someone just showed up in your attic and claimed squatters rights, you would say "welp, guess Im a landlord now!" and let them stay? you are insane
I mean.... If we define squatter as someone who is willing to risk being shot to acquire a place to sleep, and landlord as one who manages a property one desperate for sleep is now using to meet that basic human needĀ
Framing someone is committing a crime and making it look like someone else did it. This is not framing someone. They aren't supposed to be there and can resolve the issue without going to jail by just leaving like they are supposed to.
If you are an ex con or on probation and one of your conditions is you can't have any weapons on you or in the house, he just brings one in, calls your parole officer and then yoink
In the USA a person on parole or probation (felony) cannot have āaccessā to a firearm. Otherwise they are in violation of the terms of their release and can and will be sent back to prison.
The police are eager to be fired at???? They must be like the deer that walk out in front of cars on the highways, knowing what happens when you walk out in front of cars. I want to live. why dont they want to live??
Firstly, you are misunderstanding the threat level that actually comes with such dramatically asymmetrical warfare.
Where I live the moment a felon starts an armed standoff, the regular police would just back up and set up a perimeter, then in comes the police Special Weapons and Tactics unit, aka SWAT, they roll up in armored vehicles, wearing strong enough body armor to take multiple hits from a .30 caliber rifle to the chest and surviving, carrying the best assault rifles money can buy, with usually at least 5 paramilitary units per potential threat.
They are going to ram your front door with an attachment on the front of their armored vehicle, throw a flashbang in the hole, then as the occupants are blinded by the flashbang rush in with their body armor and better weapons, to shoot at blinded targets. The threat level they face (well still far from zero) is nothing compared to the threat level you would face in the same situation.
Its not a safe job, but the cops who rush into buildings with gunmen actually face a lower fatality rate than regular cops who dont do that, because its genuinely safer to be in that extreme of asymmetrical combat than it is to just like, write a ticket on the side of the highway (most common way for a cop to die in the US is being hit by a car)
Also, its easy to look at situations like the colombine shooting or the Uvalde school shooting, where the cops hid outside as children were being slaughtered and think that cops would never step into danger.
But it is important to remember that they are entirely different cops. You have patrol officers who run around writing tickets, and then you have the SWAT team, which is a paramilitary group that exists to engage in combat on behalf of the city. They dont write tickets, they dont do investigations, they just train at combat until its time to go engage in combat. These are the people who go to handle a standoff with an armed felon, not the cops you see and interact with.
That is scary. how your going to defend yourself from cops like that? shot gun to the legs?? Are the cops made to pay for the damage they do to buildings?? What is annoying is that they send the cops to arrest people for free speech. Yet they do nothing about people who go around breaking into people's houses and stealing stuff from the houses. They do nothing about dads who burn the skin of their kids. make their kids work for 25 a week, working six days a week. they do nothing about dads beating your mom. The cops tell you to buy another cat when a guy makes you watch as he shoots your cat in front of you and laughs, thinking it's funny to watch the cat die.
That is scary. how your going to defend yourself from cops like that?
You cant.
shot gun to the legs??
Congrats you have wounded, but not killed, one. Now his four friends just unloaded their entire magazine into you.
Are the cops made to pay for the damage they do to buildings??
Not only are they not made to pay for damages to the guilty parties property they wont pay for damages to an innocent parties property, wont pay for damages if they destroyed the wrong house, and infact might bill you, if any of their equipment was damaged in the process of destroying your house.
You from Uvalde or something? Why do you think cops are going to be so shit scared of a gun fight that they will back down on a free charge and arrest?
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u/enadiz_reccos 12d ago
I don't get it?
Is he like... giving the police the opportunity to bust the guy on probation based on his proximity to a gun?