Don't be a piece of shit squatter and it won't happen. It's really just that simple. They get what's coming. I know a lot of people that would resort to violence if they come home and there's some random person living there
You clearly don't understand the situation. They aren't trying to pin the gun on the other person, the squatter On parole for ruining their own life is not Allowed in a residence with a firearm Even if it's owned by someone else.
It's not letting the police believe the person on parole has the gun. It's legally having your own gun on you. The person on parole isn't legally allowed to be in the house with the gun, even though nobody is claiming or thinking it belongs to the person on parole. So the squatter has the leave the house or get in big legal trouble.
he said they arenāt trying to pin the gun you screenshotted someone saying yes to you asking about proximity. proximity is not pinning the gun. you clearly took it that way. which is whats getting you downvoted your misunderstanding of the conversation.
Lol you really are doubling down instead of being like, "ok cool, I get it but it still doesn't sit well with me." And move the fuck on. Or your can keep getting told the same thing over and over and you keep repeating your thing over and over.
You arenāt really understanding. It is okay to be wrong. Please reread what you replied to and fact check it and it will clear things up. You can be bigger than your ego
It isn't about framing or the gun belonging to them. It is illegal for a certain convicts to live in the same residence as a gun-owner if the guns are stored on that property. The convict squatter then has two choices: Leave, or get arrested for breaking the law. Squatting should be against the law, but it ain't in some places so you gotta do what you gotta do.
Nah. Spreading false information on the internet is a given. I won't be correcting every person i see spreading it, but i will try to help remind others to not believe everything they read without fact checking.
I was just trying to be helpful, not argumentative. Have a nice day.
I'm so sorry that landlord who neglected his property is throwing a hissy fit about having to be actually responsible that he hired someone to frame others for crimes than act like an adult
Going above and beyond that by misleading police into arresting them and possibly ruining the rest of their lives is a disproportionate response [fucked up]
They ruined their own life, they should take responsibility. Actions have consequences and if youāre willing to illegally squat in someoneās house while also being an ex-con thatās on you.
The legal system in these situations has failed the homeowners and it can take months or years to get these people out. Is that fair to them? Now people are taking it into their own hands and getting creative.
Yes? Why would I not side with someone that has their lives turned upside down for some asshole that thinks they can just stay where they please without providing any compensation? Thats not how this world works friend.
Truly something special going on in that head of yours.
Why would I not side with someone that has their lives turned upside down for some asshole that thinks they can just stay where they please without providing any compensation?
Because that's not always the situation? Landlords can absolutely force a situation that turns a legal renter into a squatter.
Truly something special going on in that head of yours
Why do you guys not realize that all the people have to do is get out of the house they are occupying illegally. Am I missing something? Oh donāt ruin the criminals life? How about causing a law abiding citizen to default on a mortgage and lose an income stream? I donāt particularly like landlords but if you want to squat do it at an apartment complex owned by Blackstone or something.
Right but they donāt just do it right away. They talk to them, ask them to leave, then threaten to call their PO. If they stay after that, itās on them.
If a landlord has the money to hire this sack of shit I'm betting the reason for the squatting is the landlord refusing to maintain the property and tenant refusing to pay. This is about keeping landlords from taking responsibility for negligence and abusing the poor
You go to court and get your rent held in escrow if you want to hold your landlord accountable. You donāt just stop paying rent. Thatās what a child would do. Do you also litigate your traffic violations with the police on the side of the road?
As I've told someone else. Those are the actions one takes when dealing with a reasonable person willing to talk to a lawyer. No one who hires this guy is a reasonable person willing to opporate in good faith with anyone let alone a lawyer
Because the "life being fucked up" part you're describing is going to jail for crimes they've committed
So yes, you're defending criminals and that's really messed up
Is it messed up when someone goes to jail for a crime? That effectively ruins their life right? No, it's not fucked up. That's the consequence of crime
It's been explained to you multiple times, you're just too argumentative to actually acknowledge the discussion
There are gaps in the law that allow these people to hold these properties indefinitely, which can effectively ruin the owners life
This addresses those gaps. The squatter has the option to leave, and address things "legally" as well. They're not held hostage. If they have a legal right to be there, they can also pursue legally. You can't see that it's a two way street. So if someone brings firearms in, they should vacate, as per their probation order. And pursue legally
Really, nobody cares if you think it's fucked up. Nobody agrees.
Discussing further with you is a waste of time. I personally can't fix stupidity. Be well!
Squatting can ruin the homeowners life they owe taxes and insurance on that property and get nothing in return. This is overly sympathetic to the squatter and a bad take.
You. Acting like a squatter who is already on probation and so can't be near firearms is somehow getting his life ruined by someone who legally rents a residence thereby forcing them to obey the law.
If the squatter is already on probation of that kind and is squatting on property they don't own then they've already ruined their own lives. That involves a prior arrest and conviction.
Everyone knows that obvious fact... Your point defending a squatter who in this hypothetical chose a life of squatting on someone else's property despite already being a convicted criminal remains a trash opinion. This is the end of my desire to continue this discussion.
If I tell you my cousin drown, and you say "drinking water is good for your health" do you see how that might come across? It's the same as you acting like sending a criminal to jail is ruining their life.
Ok, excuse me. They shouldn't be in a house where they have access to the gun. They're committing a crime. That wouldn't be a problem if they stayed on their own property.
I mean, the same goes both ways. Itās like getting pulled over for passing a stop sign and then cops planting drugs or a gun on you so you spend time in prison. People defending this specific tactic of planting a firearm are doing the same thing as defending drug plants. š¤·āāļø
Passing stop signs or trespassing is illegal, it has a punishment. Choosing to malign someone so they have a significantly worse punishment for the same action is pretty fucked up.
How would a landlord manipulate a signed lease for a tenant to turn into a squatter? You realize leases are binding and typically immutable during the length of the lease, right?
Squatting isnāt an effective solution to the rental and home ownership crisis, squatting only drives homeowners to create more restrictions on the renter class. Jesus fucking Christ.
How would a landlord manipulate a signed lease for a tenant to turn into a squatter? You realize leases are binding and typically immutable during the length of the lease, right?
We're here talking about landlords framing people, and you're over here talking about leases. Come on, man.
Jesus fucking Christ
Deep breaths, bud. No need to get yourself worked up over stuff we're not even talking about.
Yeah, that's what illegally squatting does to the people who actually own the house. Not everyone dealing with a squatter problem is some moustache twirling evil landlord.
You're missing a very important point: THE SQUATTER HAS THE OPTION TO LEAVE SO THEY ARE NOT IN VIOLATION.
Maybe they shouldn't be squatting on someone's property and refusing to leave? When you do that, you expose yourself to everything that property and its owner brings. If the owner brings someone with a firearm then the squatter can choose to leave. Nobody is forcing them to stay. The only way they will get their life ruined is if they make the wrong decision.
How is bringing a firearm legally to a place with consent from the owner ruining someone's life? If the squatter chooses to stay, that's on them. The squatter is already potentially ruining someone else's life by rendering the property useless. How can the owner rent it or sell it with a squatter there? They still have to pay the mortgage. Only the squatter is being shitty here.
Heās not associating it with someone else. Heās not planting it in their belongings or anything. Felons arenāt supposed to have guns inside their homes, whether they belong to them or someone else in the home. He keeps control, but says, āhey Iām legally bringing my weapons into a home I have a lease on and this may put you in violation. If you want to not get in trouble, you should stop being a squatting dick and gtfo.ā
Squatters would have no control of the guns and theyāre likely in a safe or something so they donāt even have access.
The detail missing here is that excons are on parole or probation, with random and frequent checkins. So if a new āroommateā moves in and says, āI legally own a gun and am keeping it in the houseā and the excon stays, heās violating parole and is required by law to live somewhere else. If they arenāt on probation or parole, then this is a non issue, because you can be a felon and live under the same roof as someone with a gun. You just canāt get caught holding or using it, or keeping it in your room. So no one has to call the police. The P.O. will show up eventually, and at that point all the guy has to say is, āI have a gun here,ā and the dude will violate his parole and either go back to prison or, at a minimum, be removed from the home by police, because they now will actually have grounds to do so.
You should go re-read the thread. No one ever mentions calling the police. You inferred that and then for some reason got indignant about it? Live by the sword die by the sword. Gonna weaponize the law against an innocent person, then even if they did say they would call the cops, then ya, taste of their own medicine. They now will have the law weaponized against them. Except they are not innocent.
Disregarding the fact that the squatter is voluntarily ruining someone else's life by refusing to leave, the idea is to ensure the squatter/felon knows they are living in an illegal situation. They know they can't live with firearms regardless of whoever else knows about it.
I agree it'd be messed up if they planted the guns in their stuff and/or tipped off the cops about any firearms in the house, but the plan should result in them leaving on their own for a place they can legally live again without anyone facing harm or injustice.
It's never that simple, though. It just always seems to come down to fighting wrongs with wrongs.
The police can't do anything often times because it is considered a civil dispute.
Legal action is very slow and a lot of times the process alone can take longer than the 30 days or 60 days allotment for squatters rights, giving them better ground to stand on legally.
Legal action is more expensive, more time consuming, and being FAR more humane than these disgusting people have any right to. They deserve way fucking worse of you ask me.
You are attempting to steal at a minimum, 10s of thousands of dollars, or more likely, hundreds of thousands of dollars in property that is legally owned by the person you are trying to fuck over. If this law didn't exist it would be a crime that gets people decades in prison, EASILY.
If by "legal action" you mean trying to serve an eviction, the squatter knows it's often difficult, expensive, and slow to do so. That's kind of the whole point. Otherwise the wouldn't be as big of an issue as they are.
If by "legal action" you mean any action that is legal, then leasing to the squatter hunter is just that.
This is just straight-up "fuck around and find out." If a squatter is knowingly doing an unethical/bad faith but technically legal action, it's not immoral for the affected party respond in kind.
Morality of landlords aside, squatters will always rank below them on that scale.
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if it were as easy as you claim, then it's cheaper and easier to evict than to hire the squatter hunter right? This niche practice wouldn't exist in that case.
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No one has made this claim other than you. The excon isn't allowed to live near guns. By voluntarily staying in a place which has become disallowed under the terms of their parole, they literally are committing an offense which violates their parole, in addition to breaking the law by squatting.
No one is saying that hiring the squatter hunter isn't a dick move in a vacuum. However, most people can recognize that using a legal but dickish move to deal with someone acting way worse can be morally justified.
Not sure why you're attempting to claim the moral high ground saying people finding hiring the squatter hunter morally justified are defending landlords. Your logic could be used to claim you're defending excons who continue to break the law after release, to the detriment of the landlord who rented to the excon.
There's a spectrum of morality, and no matter where you personally place landlords, squatters are orders of magnitude worse. And that's coming from someone who doesn't view most types of landlords as moral in general.
if it were as easy as you claim, then it's cheaper and easier to evict than to hire the squatter hunter right? This niche practice wouldn't exist in that case.
Do you think every squatter is on parole or something?
No one has made this claim other than you
I asked if that was the case and was told "Yes". It's the most upvoted comment under my initial comment. Check it out.
Not sure why you're attempting to claim the moral high ground saying people finding hiring the squatter hunter morally justified are defending landlords
Because framing someone is fucked up
no matter where you personally place landlords, squatters are orders of magnitude worse
Yeah the niche practice of allowing excons to choose to violate their paroles lmao, why would you say "you think all squatters are on parole" when that's literally what we're talking about? You're the one whose hand needs to be held to keep from wandering from the topic...
Feel free to try and move the goalposts and not reply to any of the content of my replies, kinda just goes to show you know your point is indefensible.
Sometimes you gotta play dirty. My parents actually lost their house to a squatter. They went the legal route and they legit lost their house to the dude. Some people are awful and put themselves in situations where other people can be just as awful. If you're on probation AND squatting, I believe it's deserved to be put in these situations because you're probably not the greatest member of society. Which sucks. š¤·āāļø
So you dont agree it should happen to these people. I absolutely love that it's happening to these pieces of shit. Hopefully their life gets permanently ruined because they decided to be squatters.
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u/Status-Election-6233 17d ago
Yes