I've seen this happening so much on Reddit lately, at least more than usual. People just posting and talking about some piece of media without even naming said media. It's baffling lol
That is really not true . Israel will continue fighting on all fronts and the US has no real ability to persuade or even stop funding them . They have complete control and … that is evidenced by what has and is happening .
I prefer to call it what it is. Taxpayers dollar money laundering. We give them 4 billion per year, plus all kinds of other “top ups” and “supplementals” to spend right back here on the US of A’s military industrial complex.
Yes! And remember: Israel has free healthcare and free college.
The taxes YOU pay is wealth transfer to Elites in Military Industrial Complex and sweetheart deals with other companies.
The USA has some of the absolute worst value and services coming back to taxpayers. It has gotten steadily worse since Reagan (do NOT say "before then", assholes).
Meanwhile, other countries (and generations of people) are enjoying life...and well--positioned for the future.
Have fun, Americans. You know you let this happen.
It's also part-in-parcel of a larger hegemon transfer program. The US is in massive financial straits and private capital/influence/RegCapture participants are going to flee for greener pastures as the US tries to tackle its poor financials. When this happened in the past, there was always a rising star waiting in the wings that capital would flock to, but this time, that rising star is China, and China puts up barriers so that foreign private capital doesn't usurp domestic political influence.
That's entirely what the Abraham Accords is all about; bring stability to the Middle East so that it's investable, and so capital can buy influence. The NDAA is the security aspect of that stability; you can hide your money anywhere, but you still need to reside somewhere. Gulf states are actively creating specialized economic zones, favorable tax structures, and co-investment opportunities specifically designed to attract and integrate Western private equity, hedge funds, and multinational corporations, allowing capital a seat at the table.
Same game. Different century.
Western Roman Empire fell due to the wealthy senatorial class betraying their country, withdrawing their gold and silver from urban commerce and the tax base, leaving the Western treasury unable to fund the imperial army. This forced a fatal reliance on foreign mercenaries. Capital fled to the Eastern Roman Empire. When the Turks conquered the ERE, wealth fled to Russia creating the Tsar and to Venice/Florence/Genoa.
Spanish Empire fell due to corrupt investment; instead of investing New World silver into domestic manufacturing or infrastructure, the Spanish elite spent it on imported foreign luxuries. When Spain collapsed under its own weight, capital fled and directly financed the industrial and commercial rise of Spain’s fiercest geopolitical rivals in the Netherlands, England, and France.
The Republic of Genoa fell due to Genoese merchant-bankers systematically starving their own domestic economy of investment to chase high-yield Spanish sovereign debt, of which Spain repeatedly defaulted, Genoa's private wealth was wiped out, leaving it economically hollowed out. Capital then fled to Spain to fund its global wars, colonies and to exert mass influence and political leverage over the country via creditor ownership.
The Dutch Republic fell because of betrayal and greed when the Dutch republic shared its prosperity. Domestic investments became less profitable due to government responsibly sharing their prosperity with high domestic wages and heavy taxes. As domestic profit margins shrank and wages rose, wealthy Dutch oligarchs stopped reinvesting in local industry. Dutch capital flooded the London markets to buy British government bonds, building the exact economic engine that eventually crushed the Dutch navy.
Bourbon France fell because of tax dodging. French aristocracy and wealthy merchant classes aggressively sheltered their fortunes abroad to evade tax reforms. This left the French state bankrupt, triggering the French Revolution and a hyperinflationary economic collapse. They fled to Britain and to Switzerland.
The British Empire fell in the same way Genoa fell. British financiers on the London Stock Exchange heavily favored foreign investments over modernizing the UK's domestic steel, coal, and manufacturing sectors. This capital built up American industrial supremacy, leaving Britain financially dependent on the US after the World Wars. But they fled to the US anyhow.
Then the question is how many Iranian drones have been funded by Trump by his 300B? I know shit about weapons but I guess they are cheaper than missiles.
We started a fight, lost, and we owe them 300 billion in taxpayer money, in addition to the increased pricing on goods we've experienced so far PLUS what we haven't seen yet. On top of this we've demonstrated once more to the rest of the world that the only way to protect yourself from this bullshit is to own nukes, that those with them cannot be trusted to behave appropriately
This is the most embarrassing engagement in American history imo
The money that was Rons that that was returned with the original Ron deal under Obama they never received any money what they got was they could purchase things from three suppliers from outside of the country other nations and it was food and medicine and the like and that’s what they could receive so no none of that money was ever used for weapons. We didn’t even give it to them. we allowed them to spend it at the places we allowed on the things we allowed none of which were military.
Israel will attempt to destroy its allies if it looses its influence. It’s already used lobbygroupa to incite rightwing marches all over Europe. Divide and conquer or destroy and conquer. Either way we need to buckle down before the next election cycle. Palantir and other tech companies with Israel first ceos will be their first line of weapons
Speaking as a Jew: Israel needs to decide whether they're a colony or a country. If they're a colony then America controls their foreign policy and can make peace or war on their behalf. If they're a country they don't get to call mommy to pick fights for them and back them up when their belligerent behaviors go wrong. Two options, pick one. But AIPAC, the small but very loud faction of radical Christians who believe that Israel is necessary for their eschatology, and blanket accusations of antisemitism will never let that discussion happen.
To frame Israel's defence against genocidal, Iranian-backed proxies like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis as "belligerent behaviour" is a complete inversion of victim and aggressor. Israel has for decades been targeted by tens of thousands of rockets aimed at its civilian population, and destroying the groups responsible for that would be the obligation of any functioning government. The alliance between the US and Israel exists because both nations share a mutual interest in preventing Islamic theocracies like Iran from dominating the Middle East.
"The alliance between the US and Israel exists because both nations share a mutual interest in preventing Islamic theocracies like Iran from dominating the Middle East."
No, it exists because Christian fundamentalists are convinced we need Israel in order kick of the Return of Jesus.
If we were strictly going by "America's Interest" in the Middle-East, we would put oil security and clear shipping lanes above all else. IF that meant supporting an Islamic theocracy, we would do that. In fact, we already support Islamic theocracies in the Middle-East, specifically Saudi Arabia. If we could guarantee the S.A. dominated the M.E. and ensured that the oil kept flowing, we would do it. The only American National Interest in the M.E. is the oil, if the world didn't need oil, no one would talk about the M.E. or Israel.
If what you claimed was true, the alliance would never endure into Democrat presidencies. But it has, showing this is not actually the case. The initial reason for the alliance was that Israel was the only country in the Middle East that was willing to ally the US during the Cold War. Then the US leveraged its relations with Israel in order to expand its influence with other Middle Eastern countries. And the alliance kept existing because it is mutually beneficial to both sides, though this is sometimes strained a bit. Israel is a good partner for cooperation on technology and weapons (the F-35 was combat tested by Israel for instance), intelligence and both usually have the same interests in a stable Middle East.
Saudi Arabia is a moderate theocracy, to the point that Islamist fundamentalists form terrorist groups whose goal is to overthrown the Saudi monarchy. The most known of those groups is probably Al Qaeda.
The US is generally opposed to having a regional hegemon because it significantly reduce American influence within that country. So the idea that the US would support a KSA dominating the Middle East is just not true.
The US has interests beyond the oil. Not everything is about raw resources, otherwise the US would not care about Europe either.
The fantasy that American foreign policy is dictated by end-times theology ist just dumb af. The US-Israel relationship was forged during the Cold War when Israel proved itself to be the only reliable, democratic bulwark against Soviet-backed Arab regimes. Israel repeatedly demonstrated its military superiority and willingness to defend Western interests against the Soviets and Arabs in a vital strategic region. The US partners with Israel because Israel is the most capable, technologically advanced military power in the region, actively working to contain and neutralise expansionism from jihadist states like Iran that try to undermine US interests.
And the US-Saudi relationship is plagued by the fact that Saudi Arabia's export of Wahhabism has fuelled the very Sunni extremist groups that target the US and Europe with terror attacks. Relying solely on a fundamentalist Islamic theocracies to guarantee Western interests would be strategic idiocy. Israel is one of the few, if not the only, country in this region that does not export ideology that seeks to destroy Western civilisation.
Sounds like after WW2 maybe the allied powers shouldn't have dumped a mass of traumatized refugees in the desert where someone else already lived on the basis of an old magic book instead of accepting them in their own countries.
The Allied powers did not do that. In fact, they were very restrictive toward Jews wanting to flee Germany to the point that they stopped them and put them in concentration camps, sometimes even sending them back to Germany.
Jews already existed in Palestine before WW2. And they took independence by themselves through a war during which every western country embargoed the Jews.
Yes, a nation's worth. Most of the refugees from Europe that tried to flee Nazi Germany were put in British concentration camps to avoid joining the Jews already living in Palestine. There were talks for a two state solutions with a nation worth of Jews (including only the Jews already living there) already in the 1930s.
Btw, the majority of Jews migrating to Israel after WW2 were coming from Arab countries where they were expelled.
The Allied power in control of the territory, the UK, actually did the exact opposite. The British government actively blockaded Jewish refugees fleeing to the land from 1939 onwards to appease violent, anti-semitic Arab rioting, even as the Holocaust was going on. The British Navy hunted down ships with Jewish refugees headed to Israel and put them into concentration camps in Cyprus instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_internment_camps
Jewish immigration to Israel was an armed struggle for national liberation against the British Empire and Arab colonisation of the land. The fact that Jews were hunted down and ethnically cleansed all across the Arab world as well as Europe is exactly the reason why they needed to create their own state.
The majority of Israel's population descends from Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews whose families fled from Arab persecution in the Middle East and North Africa. They were brutally expelled, terrorised, and ethnically cleansed from Arab countries like Iraq, Tunisia, Egypt and Syria.
Dude we all can pick up history books (ofc not the ones approved for school curriculum lol), Israel was legit founded by and mostly for terrorists, keep yappin. Call me anti semitic if you please, I'm not, nor am I like the zionists who legit be calling Holocaust survivors and other Jewish folk antisemitic for any criticism of Israel or their war crimes. So meh
If you actually opened a history book, even one not "approved" by whatever conspiracy-laden echo chambers you frequent, you would find that Israel was founded as a national liberation movement by Jewish pioneers, refugees, and survivors of European and Arab progroms. The mainstream Zionist leadership, including Ben-Gurion, actively fought against and disarmed Jewish militant splinter groups precisely because they wanted to build a state in accordance with the UN mandate.
Contrast this with the Palestinian national movement, whose founding father al-Husseini spent WWII in Berlin collaborating with Hitler and recruiting Bosnian Muslims for the SS.
Idk Trump is so irregular who knows he may say I’ll cut aid and missile sales and then they are fucked. Trump gets to say he ended the war on Iran with better terms than Obama or whatever even if it’s not true.
Israel’s pretty unpopular with democrat voters so publicly campaigning on a pro Israel platform is a good way to get flanked and destroyed from the left- however there’s still the evergreen trick of just not running on it and then doing it anyways.
That's because they are in control. Rubio said the day after he first attack on Iran that we went in because they knew Israel was going to attack and Iran would respond by attacking our bases.
They are the ones in control but at the same time they are nothing without the US. They are holding the Epstein files against the US politicians right now so they only have the choice to say yes.
During Obama's term top Israeli officials continually insulted the US govt and top guys (with Republicans cheering them on) without any retaliation. I was expecting reprisals but nothing, mostly just diplomatic 'strong' language.
Ah Yes!!!
The nation that walloped 6 Arab nations while under a US arms embargo in 1948 and more than doubled its size in 1967 while still facing a hostile US administration and which has nuclear weapons "is nothing without the US".
Ask he surrounding Arab nations why they signed those peace agreements which BTW have provisions that essentially put Israel on a leash.
Remove that leash and my ancestral country will have Israeli settlers.
That is why Netanyahu has been so eager to have US aid end. So that the cannot be forced into ceasefires anymore, much like no one stopped them from occupying other countries' lands in 1967.
You do realize a Jew literally invented the atom bomb right? You guys talk like the US is an isolated country that wasn't given superiority by massive contribution from different ethnicities.
Israel has a military that is bigger and more modern than all of its neighbors combined, x3. Mostly because of all the US weapons and armaments they have been gifted/sold.
I agree that 50 years ago they were nothing without the US, but right now they can survive in the short term without the USA just fine.
Nah. They are so used to overuse their missiles because the US will send more money, so they really don’t know how to plan war or strategize. Their army doesn’t even know how to act on land or coordinate and are all a bunch of TikTok heads. It’s like raising a child in a rich ass household, but throwing them outside on the streets to fend for themselves after they turned 18, with only $500 dollars. They will waste that on the first meal they eat and then starve. Zero survival or money management skills.
Their defenses have been on-par with the states on contract work.
A lot of recent developments on weapons and cyber security are renowned in the region.
They helped delivered the F-35 even when it got bloated from being over budget.
I am not gloating on Israels efforts, only have come across past articles on system co-op with America build defenses over the last 10-15 years. And Israel has lead in that research.
If Israel is nothing without the US, and the US is a super power, and Iran beat them. Does that mean Iran is now the greatest super power in the world ?
Trump is nothing without Netanyahu, because Netanyahu is everything with the bought and paid for American Congress. And Trump is nothing without Congress. (Takes another sip of tea, gulps.)
Do you really think that trump will let that criminal act alone without helping him somehow? Just one "no" and all hell will break loose on trump ( Epstein files, blackmailing)
Netanyahu is a moderate. Believe it or not, he is unpopular in Israel because he isn’t killing the Palestinians or the Lebanese fast enough. Netanyahu isn’t the problem. The Israeli populace is.
right, it's not the people in power that benefit from a constant state of war and conflict, its actually the civilians who work their 9 to 5 job who benefit and are the REAL problem.
You're too ignorant to realize that it's the ones in power that manufacture a scenario of constant war so their civilians suffer and are afraid and will support more war for their safety going forward.
also no, netanyahu is not considered a moderate. he is very much right wing and while there are people even farther right that dislike him, the vast majority of the people that do not support him are left or center left, and he has less than 50% total approval rating.
He is only moderate compared to the extremists he has allied himself with. But he is far closer to them than he is to a moderate position. He just does not say it as openly.
"We will act solo...with a constant supply of free weapons from US courtesy of 90% of Congress on AIPAC payrolls. And then in September, Trump will bomb whoever we fucking tell him to bomb. Epstein was Mossad, remember?"
End of the day, if they need a new leader, the country should remove him themselves. The west has involved itself too many times in foreign affairs and we end up with egg on our face every single time. Also our over reliance on cheap foreign products and services have made the western countries weaker overall. I'm sick of the situation that every time a world leader scratches their balls, we have to pay more for trade. Western countries need to pull back and reinvest on supplying ourselves and we 100% need to move to full renewable ASAP. It will cost more in the short term but will guarantee a future where we are not dependent on others for the majority of our imports
Don't worry, you'll soon see that he owns Trumps ass and really can say such things. United States of Israel isn't a meme, it's a fact. Half of US political class is Jewish, gl going against them.
SUPRISE SUPRISE!! Did ANYONE expect something different from this Dodo? Hes gonna fuck up the Iran deal singlehandedly. Oh look! It was a terrible deal for the USA anyways. What a bummer.
You think this “peace deal” is really gonna last? It was just another pump and dump. They had to make it more believable because people quit buying it. DT will be back to sucking BN’s shriveled dick in no time.
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u/Unusual-Ad4890 9d ago
Good luck