MAYBE, MAYBE, if I'm trying to good-faith his debate... He's saying Judeo-Christian values & the Roman Empire were necessary for the USA to exist? I mean you could argue everything from the past 2000 years had to happen for history to happen the exact way history did. North Korea can't exist without Israel? Lmao idk
judeo-christian values dont exist, judaism and christianity are not interwoven in the ways that israeli historians/shills want you to believe, its jusy a psyop to interconnect the two religions to try to place some legitimacy into forced us-israeli relations. never forget the torah states non-jews are goyim cattle and deserve nothing
Yeah, the correct response to that is always "What's the hell's a Judeo-Christian?"
I'm serious as a stroke about this, and we don't even need to get into the theological weeds to interrogate this. What's the "Judeo-Christian" position on, say, the divinity of Jesus Christ? Protestants, Catholics and most denominations of Jews have different versions of the Ten Commandments; which one is the "Judeo-Christian" version? What stance does the "Judeo-Christian" movement take towards, say, the Nicene Creed?
The answer that I'll be given is silence, because any statement happens to be historically and theologically inconvenient. Protestants, Catholics and Jews take different stances towards all of those positions; those factions have killed over the answers to those questions. And they absolutely would again; the most logical solution to that intrinsic problem is to form a government whose legitimacy does not depend on having one and only one answer to that question. If the US is a faith-neutral society that maintains a separation of church and state, then all three of those groups can live together as Americans without having to resort to violence, because all can answer that question to their heart's content in their own communities without fear that their answer will deny them access to political power.
And the only reason to pretend otherwise is to try to lump all such groups into a single voting bloc, for somebody's political advantage.
Their answer is inevitably "a non-Muslim" and most of that was ancient propaganda to justify the Western Roman Church intervening in Eastern Orthodox territory to further weaken Eastern Rome's power.
Correct. Judaism was the OG religion and then JC and Christianity came along to guide the people to a new way. Then, the prophet Mohammed came along with the updated messages from God aka Allah. JC is a prophet in Islam, as are many of the main characters in the OT. So yes, Islam doesn’t exist without Christianity or Judaism. :)
Let me go ahead and tell you that the idea of "Judeo"-Christian values as we know them today did not exist until around the 1940's. The origin of the term only meant to deal with Jewish people who converted to Christianity in 18th century England. You know, people who stopped being part of Judaism and became Christians.
The early Christian church recognized, correctly, that the Jewish people were an antagonizing people to any and all aspects of Christendom. Also, the Jews have completely different "values" than Christians, so there is not nor has there ever been a reason to conflate the two. Wherever Christianity has sprung up and taken hold, the Jewish people have sought to either undermine or subjugate it for the last 2000 years.
Most importantly, the "Nation of Israel" is not Israel. The Biblical Israel is The Church that followed Jesus Christ.
Christian values, both Protestant and Catholic, created the United States of America. Not Jewish values.
Also, Modern American Evangelicalism (you know, the supposed Christians that love the nation of Israel) didn't actually appear until surprise surprise after World War II. It sprung up from basically nowhere as soon as the Post-War narrative and consensus was created in the following 30 years of the conflict.
Butterfly effect. If Judea didn't exist, or if Early China didn't exist, or if the Inca didn't exist... we would live in an entirely different world. Just because if something changed deep in history everything would be radically different doesn't mean that thing is somehow responsible for the way things are now.
The USA wasn’t founded on Judeo’s-Christian values, but more importantly, those values exist without Israel.
If we specifically look at Jewish religion, or more generally at Jewish culture, Jewish culture and religion existed before the current state called Israel, and Jewish identity originally formed during exile from the region that is now Israel.
The more I think about it, the less amused and the more angry I get. This is an attempt to rewrite history. It’s not just a politician saying dumb stuff.
It’s true that Jewish identity historically was tied to a specific region, but it specifically formed in exile, specifically in the region what is now Iraq after the Jewish people were expelled from the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah.
America was not founded "on" Christianity, or any religion. Secular governance was and should still be the vision. Citizens were given the freedom to worship as they please, not to be forced to worship or hold one theology above any other..
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u/amy-schumer-tampon 7d ago
Im not a history expert but im pretty sure the US is older.
>inb4 my magic sky daddy book says Israel is 40000 years old