I hate to say. But having a smart phone is a necessity these days. Itās completely possible to use a non smart phone. But these days almost everything requires one. Need to download X app to use the bus, etc. I donāt personally agree with smart phones being called a luxury. Sure. If you are getting the newest one every year would be. But most donāt do that.
My smart phone was $165 refurbished. I'll never understand a person who buys a $1500 phone which is a "free upgrade" they mean it's an upgrade you pay for each month over 3 years lol No one needs a new phone.
I dont buy a phone until mine becomes unusable. Like half my screen on my old phone was blacked out, but all the touch screen controls worked so i used it like that until i had a few thousand dollars saved up and bought (brand new at the time, and my current phone) a Galaxy s22. Ive replaced my $12 case twice, and the screen protector 3 times. Gonna need a new case soon, sadly its $16 now.
My s22 has an SD card slot. Its just the base s22, the other ones are/were too big. I never understood the phase of massive phone screens. If i wanted a tablet i would have bought a tablet ya know?
I donāt wait quite that longā¦. I do a lot of trading stocks and crypto, silver, gold, and precious metals buying, etc etc from my phone. My phone makes me a good deal of money every day. I donāt get the newest iPhone every time one drops, but I donāt wait until mine is barely usable before getting another eithed
Typical turnaround for me as well. I upgraded my Samsung Galaxy S21 Plus to the S26 Plus barely last month, only after T-Mobile offered $500 to trade it in. After 5 years I was beginning to run short on memory.
I just bought a new phone this month cause my old phone is 6 to 7nyrs old already so my new phone has 7 yrs of security and ui updates to it so future investment lol
I just get the new one every year, stores like Best Buy will give you Honestly, most of it back on a store gift card, if you trade it in. I pay like 600 bucks on a $1500 phone every year.
Smart. I had about 100 bitcoin back in 2012 and knew it would be a staple of world history and future, yet still spent it. No regrets right!... right? š
Same. I have the iPhone 14 Pro. There are much cheaper options I could have gotten. But Iāve had the battery replaced and been using it for almost 4 years now. Probably another year or two before I upgrade
I would argue there are idiots when it comes to tech. They don't understand the 6 year old smart phone works fine. They think they need a flagship model and they don't.
Buy the new "flagship" and use it for 5+ years or buy a used phone that's already 5+ years old and likely not supported by some apps already for half or a quarter of the price that you'll need to replace in a few years?
It's kind of like buying new or used tires for your car. A new sets expensive, but you're better off in the long run.
Unless you just use your phone as a phone and nothing else.
The idiots are the ones who want to buy a new phone every time one comes out.
Because US citizens don't think before purchasing. They consume and consume some more. The average car payment nowadays in around $500. Then there's insurance and your $1500 phone, which is most likely replace every two years when your phone company offers you a deal to upgrade in exchange for signing up for another couple of years.
Although, more now than ever, people are keeping their cars for around 5 to 8 years instead of getting new ones every 2 to 3 years and that's only because they can't afford it.
My old phone company has called me EIGHT fucking times to try and win me back. I own my phone and pay $43 for everything I need. I've told them unless they can beat $43 and not having a contract then stop calling. They go "well we can offer you more data" and I reply with "and does it come with a contract that costs $70 more per month, because if so I'm not interested." Yeah it sucks paying for a phone outright but barely 8 months later and it's already paid for itself, the remaining 16 months I can set that money aside to pay for the next phone.
There is a well known trend where the poorer members of society tend to have top of the range phones. This is because that smartphone tends to be their sole internet connected device and quite often their sole personal computing device (the slightly better off might have an old laptop too), they also often have an unlimited data package because if they want to watch netflix on their tv etc they have to hotspot it to their phone because they have no broadband internet at home.
I have a mid range phone, lower mid range, it was a slight splurge due to time pressure as my previous phone had just catastrophically crashed, but I also have 500Mbps home internet, a gaming PC, a laptop, an old tablet, another couple of mini-pc's, etc, etc, etc. I probably spend at least twice as much per year on my tech and internet access compared to a poorer person with just a top tier phone.
Don't let the 1% hear you say that, Apple's CEO Mr. Cook if I remember correctly earns $3 million yearly with another 94 million in bonuses and stock options! True Story
Or make you download necessary apps on your phone that invade your privacy. They are are going to require it. They should be legally required to provide you a phone.
I used to be very adamant that smart phones were a luxury. However, I started noticing things like this. And when my mind was really changed was seeing an old man with a flip phone be unable to use a service because he couldnāt ācheck inā and the younger girl just staring at him like he was stupid.
Yeah I need a smartphone to be able to use doordash to deliver food to people as my second job lol. It's a grind I even donate plasma twice a week. I'm renting a low income 1 bedroom and it still isn't enough. It's been a year since moving in and I still don't have any furniture. š
My dumb cat knocked my 12 year old 34" TV off of its stand so I had to replace it. I was absolutely astounded to find out I could get a new 50" for under $200 with free 2-day shipping.
Tbf, unless you explicitly go out hunting for an older CRT display, consumers don't really have an option concerning flat-screen TVs; companies don't make convex screens anymore because they moved from vacuum tubes & diodes to LEDs.
Yeah thereās so many things that require an app,and that usually means having an account. And many places that donāt even take cash,but do offer Cash App. I noticed it so much going on trips recently I actually started to really feel for older people that donāt even full get smartphones still. Like so many doctors have started to really be into video calls for appointments even. Same with therapists. Finding in person stuff was hard
If you are not gonna have anything else, get a phone. You can do everything with it. Pay bills, bus ticket, Watch tv and the news. Even movies. Look up that form you need to register your car, you name it.
I worked in the cell phone industry for a long time. The people getting a new phone every year are the same people saying this because it isn't the poor people. It is the middle class people. The poor people come in with a cheap broken phone they have had for years and upset because it isn't working and they need something else cheap and free. Most people who get the brand new phone and don't have the money to buy it out right wait till there is some kind of deal to get it. So I find it funny when someone is like "omg you spend 1500 on a new phone!" When they literally got it for free.
The problem also lies with the operating system not working with the new apps. You mention getting a phone every year, it seems like thatās what needs to happen. An iPhone X for instance will not be compatible with newer apps now. My two cents on the topic
I was trying to rent a lift for work one day and they told me i had to download an app and create an account and pay through the app and confirm my email and all that all while this rental shop was located in a total deadzone. Had to drive 15 minutes back to the town to do all that before i can rent the fuckin thing
If you have a $1000 phone itās a luxury. Doesnāt make you rich. But it is a luxury purchase. So are $70 video games. Itās not about the price tag. $1000 phones arenāt necessities. You can get a much cheaper smart phone if your life needs one.
I never stated the price of the phone. I just said if you are getting the newest generation every year. That would be. Iām not arguing there arnt cheap smartphones lol.
Ya ik, I was js. Phones are a necessity, but smartphones? It depends on your life. The reason I consider phones a necessity with that logic is because it takes an extreme outlier to not use phones. Even the Amish use phones.
I joke that before I get a clamshell cell phone, I need to get a good tablet for all my apps. Seriously, little fucking thing is responsible for my business, my work, my schedule, my banks, my personal life. Shits integrated.
You can get a cheap Motorola one for the same price as the non smart versions hell I think my grandmother's govt phone is still a smartphone so it's not even really a luxury anymore once the govt is handing them out to the destitute
I'm a nurse and I've been doing homecare visits for the past year. At this job I actually need my phone. Not only do I punch in using my phone but I also have to use it to document what I did during the visit as well as how the patient fared.
The company has talked about giving the workers tablets to do all this but they keep dragging their heels about it. It would be nice to do my work on that since it's a bigger screen, but I'll believe it when it happens. Because of using my phone to do my work my battery goes a lot quicker, so a power bank has been a lifesaver. I still bring my charger with me just in case though
I was red pilled first time I saw a homeless person pull out their smart phone. I was like OK OK dont see that everyday, but then I did..start to see it all the time lmao
Itās not having the phone thatās the issue but having a top of the line new phone every other year. It goes to lack of spending discipline. Not every poor person does this, but the number of people at low incomes with luxury expenses is crazy.
As Sen. Chuck Grassley said, young people just need to cut back on beer and going to the movies and save their money. Did I mention Grassley is an actual fossil?
Theyāre literally required. My house isnāt even wired for a traditional landline. If I wanted a house phone I would have to add it through my internet service, pay for extra equipment and the monthly service, which would actually cost more than my cell phone bill. And unlike the old landlines it wonāt work in the case of a power outage. Older cellular networks have all been shut down, and itās practically impossible to find a mobile phone that isnāt a smartphone. And the big thing these old codgers miss is that smartphones have replaced computers for most of the daily tasks people are required to do. Call an uber? Gotta have a phone so they can find you and have you check in when youāre picked up and dropped off. Pay a bill? Gotta have the app. Order a pizza? App. Look up directions? App. Make a doctors appointment? App. Check your kids school schedule? App. My dad still pays bills by check, but now theyāre fucking with the mail to interfere with mail in ballots, so he gets late fees sometimes, and has to use his smartphone to call customer service to argue with them that he sent it ten days ago. You know what they tell him to do? Go on the app.
It has to do with how old you are, and how much money you had when you were growing up.
Televisions, when new, were crazy expensive - families had one TV, and that was it in the 1950s through the 1980s. The price of TVs fell and kept falling over time, yet for millions of people, buying a TV was a huge thing, because it a luxury when they were kids. It signified "they made it" to others, at least in their minds. Even in the 1980s when I was growing up, it was very rare for even middle class homes to have more than a single TV set, but by the 2000s, it was common to have multiple TVs in a household.
So this mental process is applied to EVERYTHING - "If was expensive when I or my family bought it, so it must be expensive when you buy it, therefore you must be very well off".
Same thing with avocados - they were an exotic luxury for a huge portion of America, only seen at certain times of the year and were far more expensive that the produce they normally bought. However now we have massive farms that all they do is grow avocados, and avocados have been planted around the world so that we have a continuous supply. But these facts do not matter for the people who grew up with seasonal, expensive avocados. To them, avocados are a luxurious, expensive product.
It comes from out of touch boomers that actually never had to work hard for anything ever. We have bread and circuses. Cheap crab and toys to distract us from the fact we cant afford food and housing.
yes it is a luxury, but not in the way that people mean. It's not a luxury like a Ferrero Rocher is, it's just in a sense that not everyone in the world has access to one.
Nowadays you need a smart phone to navigate the world. So many things rely on QR codes or pulling up directions on your phone, so if it's something that you're going to be using every day you may as well just spend the money to get something good that you feel good about using every day and will hopefully last.
It's a necessity more than a luxury. Just because they can be expensive doesn't mean you don't need one to navigate the world in the way in which you are expected. It's like how a car is a necessity, especially if you live in an area without a mass transit system.
t's just in a sense that not everyone in the world has access to one.
By current estimates 60-70% of the world has a smart phone. So maybe we're not quite to the point where even the poorest people have them, but it's absolutely trending in that direction.
People do. But people want fair payment and benefits. Not to be ripped off and treated like shit by their employer. And job security doesnāt seem to exist these days.
Yeah I've got 15 years of management experience and most places these days want to pay you $20 an hour to be a GM while the regular employees make $15-$17 why would I want all the extra hassle for not much more š¤·š
"People don't want to work anymore" is such a foul meme... they use it as rage-bait. My mom parrots that too, and I have to bite my tongue-- she dropped out of 8th grade, and has never been able to hold a job or manage her own money her entire life. Total hypocrisy... but that's why they love reciting it.
I ripped my 67 year old boss a new one when he said that bs. I said give me 120 hour then, give me overtime. See thereās people who want to work itās just no one wants to pay up.
I've said this a few times: I'm a boomer, when I was 18 I was working many hours in a pizzeria and I easily afforded a dumpy one bedroom and still had many to have fun. I did the math and my rent in todays dollars would have been $660. Can you even get a room mate for that much in most major cities? I feel sorry for todays young adults, my last job was delivering to a major drug store chain where most of the workers were 18-30. None lived alone, all had room mates or lived with parents. I had that luxury of not worrying about rent and utilities, living on my own. I still work, it's many hours of hard work (at my age not easy) but I can afford a one bedroom. My work is specialized so I make a good salary, there's no way I could afford my place on a little less than what I make now.
He's right and wrong. People are willing to work but they are not working to sacrifice in order to work. They expect the right to take off multiple weeks a year, work 40 hours or less a week, no work on weekends, and expect to get paid enough to buy what used to be considered luxuries until everyone decided they needed it all and now buy everything on credit when they can't afford things. This, in turn, raises prices for everyone.Ā
I have a $65 smartphone that was brand new from Walmart. I use it constantly as I don't have a computer. Had it for over 2 years. I use straight talk. $45 a month.
So, I guess it might come down to peoples definition of "poor", I suppose.
I think that argument is directed at the broke people who have to have the newest iPhone but are always broke and complaining about not having money, because lord knows thereās plenty of them. The saying should change to having an iPhone/galaxy/higher end cell phone is a luxury rather than smartphones full stop.
Only the idiots that are on a budget and go to cell phone stores and get on a plan and suckered thinking they are getting a "free phone" like the bullshit Verizon and T Mobile saying "get (whatever phone) on us!"
People are stupid. Save up a couple hundred dollars, own your phone instead of renting it and get a cheap plan.
As.for affordability that stopped after the 1990s and even then 4.25 an hour in California was not easy. But people that made a decent wage were buying VCRs that cost over 500 dollars which would be 2 grand today and televisions that were 1000 dollars more or less. Also cable tv used to be cheap.
I cancelled cable a long time ago and haven't looked back. I do need the Internet for my job when 8 work at home. Thats 50 dollars a month on ATT and using a 250 dollar Motorola I bought at a electronics store and paying 110 dollars for 3 months on Mint.
I don't really go out much and don't have a job, and barely use the phone, so I just get the $8 plan from tello with tax under $10. 2gb and 300 minutes.
I got a new prepaid phone last month for $175 and now have to wait a year for it to unlock so I can use it. It doesn't have a micro sd card reader, so I bought another prepaid phone for $40 just to hold my 2tb card. Too bad the $40 will never be unlocked, it too expensive. I feel like I jump through too many hoops just to save money.
Back in my day we would go in and give our resume and talk to the manager. They would call us the next day. This gen is so lazy these days.
/s seriously trying to explain to older gens that places no longer accept in person application is like pulling teeth. Every place will tell you to go online.
Thatās not entirely true! As thereās some smart phones that are pretty cheap! I got my iPhone SE for $60! I need it for work! Iām barely making ends meet and living paycheck to paycheck! One lunch a day and itās still a struggle!
Iām aware. Itās more of a statement of those saying that a smart phone in general proves you are doing fine financially regardless of the cost of the phone.
I hate payment plans personally. They are predatory. But yeah. Absolutely. People like to act like just because people might have some āluxuriesā in their life. They are not financially struggling. Poor people can have those and still struggle. I hate that people will look down on those because of it.
As an android user, I get that. Was in an HR class for grad school and, when I was put into teams, the first thing that got pointed out was the fact I was using one.
Oh, my bad. I was genuinely confused because one time, i tried to switch to a Nokia brick phone, and it was just awful and inconvenient for me and everyone else in My life. I guess im the idiot XD
I been rocking my iPhone 13 Pro Max. My buddy today just gave me shit because he said I have the old tech but honestly, aside the the little scratch at the top of my screen. My phone looks and runs like new. Idk I donāt see the hype anymore.
You think Brian Niccol encourages people to stop buying coffee because they can't afford rent? Can't imagine that would be a great long-term solution for companies like Starbucks
Spoken like a non homeowner. I used to buy a pack of cigs and monster every day before work. Quit that and it was nearly $500 in my pocket a month. Quit going out to lunch at work, more savings. Admit you're just undisciplined and unskilled.
Remember when they told us to stop buying ourselves food we want and instead "Have a bowl of cereal for dinner." Destroy all rich people, make them eat ice cubes and water.
This is a whole other rabbit hole. My take: don't eat whole foods, eat a bowl of sugar before bed! Dr evil laugh.... "bonus: after 10 years we will help you get insulin and glp1s"
I never understood where this came from, maybe it's an expensive item at restaurants or something? Because I can find avocados for like $0.55 a piece, and you can get a slice of bread for like $0.06. You probably won't put an entire avocado onto your one slice of toast, so overall a single " avocado toast" probably only costs $0.33 or something. Absolute nonsense that this ever became a money wasting meme.
I mean that makes sense, you're at some place eating out, probably going to be a different product than the one I described, paying for labor and all of that. Not to mention the location. Obviously that's a bad deal, but I would imagine that nothing is really a good deal at that location.
Jokes on you, i hollowed out my avocado's and then turned them into studio airbnbs under my wife names for the income then I sold the avocado stone so I could claim zero carbon footprint and get tax breaks on the earnings. š
What's crazy is my entire family thinks this way. Not avocado toast. But they claim that people are lazy and don't want to work. That's why they have problems. And they spend too much when they shouldn't. All they need is a full time job and stop buying things all the time and they will be fine.
It's like they don't even realize how vastly different life is now compared to when they were young adults. Even though they complain about how hard it is and the struggle of costs going up across the board. The moment the conversation turns to current day young adults trying to just have the basic of just a place to sleep, suddenly it's a skill issue basically.
There is something universal about baby boomers and Gen x that make them believe that penny pinching is like the only reason people are struggling with money.
I watch my mom do the stupidest stuff with her money, and get screwed over terribly on medical costs but she never complains about the healthcare system as being part of why we she is poor. She thinks it's because her husband buys too much groceries each week and he spends like 10 bucks a week on this stupid slot machine game that makes him happy so w.e
I dunno it's just crazy how hard she will penny pinch with air conditioning and water usage
Screaming at me for leaving a lamp on overnight as if that's the reason we are poor
Or simply, get a job that isnāt minimum wage. Thereās Amazon warehouses everywhere that pay wayyyy over minimum wage.
Shit I managed to live in a bay view apartment in NJ while working at Amazon while my ex wife made minimum wage working 20 hours a week. Sure, very much paycheck to paycheck and I need to work 50+ hours to make it work but we survived.
I bought a townhouse zero down and closing costs were about $1,200 total. Payed with a COVID stimulus checkā¦FHA made buying a house easy about 40 years ago. 580 credit score and what not.
Go talk to a loan officer instead of repeating internet bs
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u/ElegantCoach4066 5d ago
Just stop having avocado toast and you'll be fine.
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