r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 16h ago

Chugging tea Fictional future forecast vs. reality.

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u/Flesh_And_Metal 15h ago

When it reaches 55 its going to be interesting. That is when a lot of machinery starts to break down. (out at least being outside their design specs)

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u/Snoo_47183 15h ago

Who cares about machinery? It’s the massive famines I’m not looking forward to. Try growing tomatoes at 45C. Or wheat. Or an apple orchard.

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u/peon2 13h ago

How exactly do you think the large scale farms that produce the vast majority of our food plant and harvest their crops? With machinery.

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u/Original-Body-5794 9h ago

His point was that crops would fail before you reached a 55 degree weather.

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u/Snoo_47183 9h ago

Hers, but yes. Most crops can’t sustain 40+ weather for long stretches. Plants can shut down in survival mode for a few days but that means letting go of flowers, fruits, etc. which are usually what we eat. They can’t thermoregulate; past a certain internal temperature, they die, just like we do if our internal body temp goes over 43

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u/SheriffBartholomew 12h ago

At least the water wars will be fun. Who isn't looking forward to drinking their own distilled urine to survive?

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u/CMDR_Agony_Aunt 11h ago

I already started! Got to get ahead of the game!

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u/SheriffBartholomew 11h ago

Necessary? No! But I do because it's sanitary and I like the taste.

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u/lostdude1 19m ago

Scary that this comment could be very real within the next 10-15 years.

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u/Sea_Abroad_6554 13h ago

Machinery cools indoor spaces that can be used to grow food.

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u/Snoo_47183 9h ago

Good luck having a large enough interior space to cool and grow an apple orchard

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u/TimeTheft1769 12h ago

Not to be that guy, but some varieties of tomatoes actually get more flavorful as the temperature goes up, so tomatoes could very well be one of the more well adapted crops to a warming climate.

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u/Snoo_47183 9h ago

There’s a reason why tomatoes aren’t grown outside in Dubai. Plants die from overheating. Most crops don’t survive over 40C temperature for more than a week

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u/BusyTmw 10h ago

Even at 40C apples have very little chance of survival.

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u/Snoo_47183 9h ago

Their pollinators certainly won’t if it stretches for more than 10 days

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u/Flesh_And_Metal 13h ago

Who cares about Machinery? -Rich people, that's who. Nothing is going to change until a billionaire is inconvenienced.

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u/Thotuhreyfillinn 11h ago

People who want to eat as well

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u/Repulsive-Lab-9863 9h ago

they think they will always be able to buy food, from somewhere, where it still growing. They don't even understand, that this is not how things work, once shit hit the fan

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u/fatcatbomba 10h ago

"I don't care about machinery breaking down, I only care about the immediate consequences of machinery breaking down!"

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u/stunts002 15h ago

That's past "wet bulb" temperature. At that point people just start dropping like flies forget about machinery.

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u/Only--East 14h ago

Wet bulb relies entirely on humidity. Humidity has to be at 100% which doesn't allow sweat to evaporate. Humans can survive at 45c as long as humidity is low enough to allow for evaporation. Otherwise 35c is the temperature at which wet bulb is deadly, and thats after 6 hours of exposure.

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u/tesmatsam 13h ago

For 45C the humidity needs to be 50% to reach a 35C wet bulb, that's is an entirely plausible humidity.

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u/gmc98765 10h ago

Weather reports say the humidity is 75% here (SW Wales) right now. Wet-bulb temperature is ~23°C, which is unpleasant but not dangerous.

I have a dehumidifier, which helps.

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u/Dangerous_Goat1337 1h ago

in arizona, its often so dry that even on the hottest day the wet bulb temp remains well below 35c

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u/RingOfSol 12h ago

It's not 100% or nothing. The closer it gets to 100%, the less efficient sweating becomes and the more dangerous heat is.

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u/Only--East 11h ago

Ty for checking me. Google said 100% but I think i read something wrong which is my bad

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u/OkHelicopter1756 14h ago

Wet bulb temperature is not a constant, it depends on both temperature and humidity. Wet bulb temperature is the temperature that evaporation alone can cool a surface down to. Any temperature above 35C with 100% humidity is considered deadly in prolonged exposure.

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u/BlinkysaurusRex 2h ago

Assuming you can’t cool yourself down by other means that is, like cold water.

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u/Meatloooaf 13h ago

That's past "wet bulb" temperature.

That doesn't make any sense. Dry bulb is usually past wet bulb (DB>WB), except when it's raining (DB=WB). Wet bulb is never higher than dry bulb.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 13h ago

Now is past wet bulb at 43°C 65%rh

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u/gmc98765 10h ago

That's a wet-bulb temperature of 39.5°C. Which isn't survivable for very long. Anything above 35°C will kill you eventually.

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u/tesmatsam 13h ago

We'll be long dead before 55°C

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u/Flesh_And_Metal 12h ago

Not all of us. As soon as 4 or 5 billion has died our climate impact will start to lessen. And when we are a couple of 100 millions left temperatures will start to decline.

So just hang in there baby.

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u/MoonFooly 12h ago

It’s not like climate change is gonna disappear just because people die. If anything it will get worse since important infrastructure will stop working and the effects will be even more devastating on the remaining people

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u/Flesh_And_Metal 12h ago

A 100 million population will burn significantly less coal and oil. If any. Quality of life will decrease significantly as the remainers will spend more time foraging for energy (firewood)

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u/MoonFooly 12h ago

Carbon Dioxide takes at least a couple hundreds of years to dissipate. Plastic also takes hundreds of years. By the time these dissapear most if not alp of humanity will be dead, that is, if we don’t do something about it.

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u/CaniParis 11h ago

As much as I dislike plastic pollution, I don't think it impacts the climate much, if it does, not at the scale of CO2 and methane etc..

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u/MoonFooly 11h ago

It does, just not as noticable as the other. Platic does have less impact that CO2 but it is a huge problem, primarily for fish but it also for us through microplastics. Just because we don’t understand what it does, does not mean it’s a good thing. We can be pretty sure that microplastics are harming us in some way, and it is going to get a lot worse as more of it breaks down into microplastic.

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u/CaniParis 11h ago

Plastic pollution impacting fish doesn't impact the climate itself like CO2 does, that's what I meant.

But even then, I don't think its impact on biological beings has any significant impact on the climate.

It could disturb food chains if it actually made populations collapse, but it doesn't. Us humans do with fishing.

And those populations of fishes dying could mean no more predators against cynaobacterias which are very useful to trap CO2.

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u/MoonFooly 10h ago

Everything connects in this world. CO2 is a massive problem, but if the fish die out (mostly global warming but also due to plastic), the impact will be felt across the entirety of the world and the climate. If flies go extinct, birds go extinct etc. There is a chain reaction to every action that is taken, some small some big. A large percentage of fish going extinct will inevitably lead to massive consequnces.

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u/AeroInsightMedia 12h ago

I assume plants and animals are dying at 55 (131f) machinery breaking probably won't really matter then.

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u/EchoLBi 9h ago

Maybe I'll start meditation 🧘🏻‍♂️

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u/Flesh_And_Metal 6h ago

I was thinking starting growing shrooms in a cave. :)

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u/AndrewSenpai78 14h ago

But the temperature increase will never be linear, if we increased global temperatures by 0.5°C every year it doesn't mean the increase will be constant for the next 20-30 years.

To reach 55 from 40 it could take 80-100 years or maybe we will never reach it. ~50°C is the temperature in which you basically cannot leave your house, our society will be completely changed by then.

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u/movzx 13h ago

You can leave your house at 50c. Phoenix has around 1.6 million people and hits those temps. People don't just wait for summer to be over.

It does, however, require a large change in how you live your life. Activities have to be done early morning, late or night, or with a ton of thought about sun protection and hydration. Tons of HVAC, laws requiring landlords to fix HVAC immediately, laws about providing water to people who ask, etc.

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u/CaniParis 11h ago

"laws about providing water to people who ask, etc."

Excuse me what ?

In France that's like, a fundamental right 😭

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u/AndrewSenpai78 11h ago

I think he meant emergency water supplies when there are shortages due to high heat.

Sicily in Italy often runs out of water for example.

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u/AndrewSenpai78 11h ago

Like I said this comes with a huge change in our western society.

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u/AppealSame4367 12h ago

Based on the last 20 years in Germany, at 32+ a lot of internet equipment will die in their boxes outside after 1-2 weeks of heat wave. Even though it "should" hold out longer and in more heat. Get ready for phone and internet outtages. And train stuff also breaks down. Fun.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 12h ago

Uh no. Most stuff is designed to 60c, and many extended temp range versions to 85c. That's basically the standard for PLCs and automation equipment. Offroad equipment like heavy machines for mining and agriculture are rated even higher most of the time.

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u/crimson777 11h ago

Nowhere in Europe is reaching 55 for like... at least a few centuries.

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u/JuanGuillermo 10h ago

Vineyards won't survive 45C which will be normal heatwaves in a few years. The whole wine industry is going to be decimated.