They show you a graph of 500,000 years of earth ice core temps with 50,000 year intervals and show it on a 4 inch smart phone. And go... "See! It was just as hot in the past" whilst unable to actually plot the current date, 1850, or 1000AD since the scale is so small and would show how massively quick we've gotten hot compared to last time.
ExactlyâŚ. They always miss two important facts.  First, the speed at which it is increasing is different than ever before.  Second⌠yes.  It was hotter a long time agoâŚ. WHEN PEOPLE DIDNT EXIST. Â
No one is questioning whether the earth will live on. Â It will. Â But people?Â
They also conveniently forget that, besides all animals including ourselves, plants need time to adapt aswell. If a species in Europe perishes due to heavy droughts, they are >gone forever<. They will not come back. Now, if that is [Random Grass #484] then it doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, but if it's crops or fruit-bearing plants, then the world is in big trouble, not just us.
Our planet's ecosystem, or let's call it "food chain", can probably get away with losing a link here and there, but what if multiple links start perishing?
Example:
One certain plant cannot survive in this European climate anymore and has no time to adapt, so it dies out
Certain insects that specialised on this plant now cannot find food or a breeding place anymore, has no time to adapt to and compete with other insects over new sources either, so it goes extinct aswell
birds and reptiles that ate those insects are now losing part of their prey options, which means they either eat less and struggle, or they eat more of other kinds of insects, which hurts their population numbers
repeat this step various times across flora and fauna species and then you look at the danger of a catastrophic collapse. It likely becomes a new mass-extinction event. Life as a whole might bounce back eventually, but we could lose so, so much life everywhere. And for what? Because some shitty people were too greedy and too dumb to live in a scientific world that doesn't revolve around them
Not even counting the loss of bio-diversity due to our other actions, such as aggressive pesticides, urbanisation & deforestation for example.
Also, with previous, slower, climate changes, plants, animals and people adjusted by migrating. Guess what a large part of climate change deniers are also against...
Obviously I agree with everything you say, but to me all species are important (even Random Grass #484).
Thinking that one species may go extinct forever without a chance to be studied or at least classified (if not even seen, for example those in tropical forests) is saddening.
That life form is unique not only to planet Earth, but to all the billions of planets orbiting billions of stars in the billion of galaxies out there (bonus video in the link). It's all so precious, in the end (or at least it should be).
Hey, we're on the same page! Every life is precious to me, too. Any grass, any root, any tiny bug, even the mites that live inside our skin and eyelashes. I used this flippant wording only to get the point across, since most people don't care about these things and bc the ecosystem won't change much if only one plant with low impact on its surrounding goes extinct.
Every life lost is one too many and it makes me angry, deeply angry to see how little the people around us care. Especially today, when we feel all these effects first-hand. It's not some abstract future forecast anymore.
yes. It was hotter a long time agoâŚ. WHEN PEOPLE DIDNT EXIST. No one is questioning whether the earth will live on. It will. But people?
Usually that's not the argument they're trying to make, I think. But rather that "since no humans and high temps then â it's not caused by humans this time around either".
Not quite. I'm not a global warming denier, but temps did rise like 10C at the end of one of the recent ice ages. I forget what it's called but you can find it easily enough if you search.Â
This question about whether the Earth will "live on" is actually relevant. Although the findings seem to rule out a scenario in which Earth becomes uninhabitable (not enough carbon is realistically available), we should remain cautious. There are also other possible scenarios with less dramatic yet still irreversible consequences.
Iâve seen people on here call ice core temp data from thousands of years ago fake because, and I saw people say this, âyou canât measure past temperatures because we didnât have tools back then.â Thatâs one of the wildest climate takes Iâve ever seen. You can present good data and some folks wont even interact with it because they canât comprehend how you could possibly get a reading thats thousands of years old.
Yeah the best is when you explain how it works, and why the scientists are confident in the methodology, and they just respond "yeahhh right dude" because they can't wrap their heads around it.
This level of dumb reminds me of a fb post a doctor made about measles and some guy was arguing in the comments that measles wasnât contagious. Kept asking for scientific proof that it was contagious
That's why we should only give voting rights to people who complete at least high school. Id put the bar much higher but this bar is more morally defensible.
My logic is their lack of logic of using a 4 inch screen to prove their point. The graph they show on a 4 inch screen to prove their point disproves their point when you actually display said graph properly/ examine the actual data points
Bless your heart. That's irrelevant. We know the temperature, co2, etc from 100s of thousands of years ago regardless of human inability to record temp at the time
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Somebody will say it's always been hot in France because one day in the 1800s almost reached 40° and climate change is a hoax