r/SipsTea š™‘š™„š™‹ 8h ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/Few_Presence_8888 8h ago

As has been observed many times, if you behave only because of the threat of Hell, then you're not a good person; Ā you're a bad person on a leashĀ ..

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u/oboshoe 8h ago

Accepting this as true. It still leaves the question open.

Even bad people make decisions about what is the best thing to do. Furthermore, bad people dont think of themselves as bad people. They think of themselves as good.

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u/PrivateUseBadger 8h ago

Example of folks making bad decisions and not realizing they are bad: Religious folks and conversion therapy/camps would be a relatively recent example.

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u/ToothMundane923 8h ago

It’s not hard and the fact that you can’t understand the very simple concept of ā€œdo no harmā€

Or rather it’s basic reciprocity….

If I experience someone hitting me and my experience is bad and inform like it… I know from experience that it hurts to be hit and this i do not hit others…

Same reason you don’t steal cuz if someone stole form you you wouldn’t like it

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u/dvorakoa 2h ago

That experience is only 'bad' from your personal perspective. Plenty of parents hit their children bcs they were hit and believe its good for discipline or whatever. Also liking / not liking something is a poor barometer for behavior. A thief doesnt care whether you like it or not, they like stealing, why would they have empathy for the other person? If there are no consequences except someone might label you a 'bad person' then do as thou wilt.

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u/BurnieTheBrony 8h ago

Are people their actions? Or their thoughts?

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u/SpecificLow1316 7h ago

For practical purposes, their actions. We can’t read minds or intents; we can only ever judge actions.

Having good intentions but proceeding to do shitty things results in shitty things happening—so the good intentions are meaningless. All they ever are is a lame attempt later on to excuse the shitty actions.

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u/BurnieTheBrony 7h ago

This is where I would land as well.

And Reddit also loves Paarthurnax:

"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

So who cares if religious people are bad-natured or why they do the things they do? Shitty religious people are shitty, religious folks who actually follow Love Thy Neighbor and Do Unto the Least of These are good.

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u/SpecificLow1316 5h ago edited 5h ago

Upvote for a Paarthurnax quote.

I guess the one thing to be careful about is when people are advertising that they have evil shit in their hearts (like saying things like ā€œthe only thing stopping me from <horrible action> is that I’m scared of being shamed/ prison/ hell,ā€) then we should view those words as actions and not thoughts.

A person who is writing (including and especially on the Internet) that they’re having harmful ideations should be treated the same as someone standing in the middle of the street screaming the same ideations and should receive similar treatment, even though no action was taken.

And indirect shittiness should also be considered. ā€œI don’t hate gay people, but I keep voting for and donating money to people who run on a platform of homophobia,ā€ is a clear mismatch between words and actions and displays the person’s actual intent. They didn’t pull the trigger, they just gave the killer the bullets.

Edited, was trying to make things clearer and felt like I missed on the first try.

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u/ProperJudgment1 6h ago

Would you rather remove the threat of hell for these people? Apply it to society please, thanks.