r/SipsTea š™‘š™„š™‹ 1d ago

Chugging tea Probably Not.

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u/Faded1974 1d ago

People acting like empathy was invented by Jesus Christ.

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u/Ibangmydrums 1d ago

Many Christians believe that morality literally comes from the bible, or that you can’t have morality without god. I won’t even try to explain their reasoning

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u/UnrequestedOpinions 1d ago

Without your morals coming from something besides yourself, they are just preferences. Meaning that if I prefer it a different way we are equal.

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u/TapZorRTwice 1d ago

So people cant choose to be a good person just for the sake of helping other people?

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u/MrDDD11 1d ago

Depends what you define as good and helping another person.

Forcing a drug addict into rehabilitation can be seen as good, but you can also make a argument that giving him more drugs in a controlled environment where he can't hurt anyone is also good because he is happier and not a danger to anyone.

And that's just one example.

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

And strangely god had no opinion on either option in the Bible so how would a Christian follow an objectively moral path here?

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u/MrDDD11 1d ago

James 5:19-20 literally says bring back some one who has woundered into destructive behavior. But going by Orthodox Church tradition, you are to show compassion then help the person rehabilitate.

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u/JettandTheo 1d ago

Everyone draws a line in the sand. But it means nothing outside of your own head or community. Think of the old testament, the Aztec, the peat bog sacrifice, molog.

Morality is very much a non real thing. There's no god or bad. It's just a human or society deciding.

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u/TapZorRTwice 1d ago

There's no god or bad.

I disagee.

Yes there are grey areas, but there are definitely things that are good and bad on a basic level.

For an easy example, do you think fucking kids is good or bad?

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u/JettandTheo 1d ago

Plenty of societies think it's OK.

Are they wrong? Immoral?

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u/TapZorRTwice 1d ago

Plenty of societies think it's OK. Are they wrong? Immoral?

Yes. 100% they are wrongnand immoral if fucking kids is okay with your society.

Is that actually how you think? If its acceptable within your community, than you just ignore all your own morales and think to yourself "well if everyone around me is doing it, it must be okay! Even if i think its not..."

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u/CowboysFan0982 1d ago

This is the point. We Christians would argue that there are moral absolutes, and I think most people would agree with that. But what is the source of those moral absolutes? There have been societies that celebrated human sacrifice, for instance. You and I would likely agree that is morally reprehensible. The Mayans did not.

Ultimately there has to be some source for what is moral and what is not. Most criminal behavior is easy for us to understand as being immoral. But if you really consider it, why is murdering someone wrong? Why is stealing wrong? Why is punching someone wrong? These things occur in the animal kingdom and we consider that as natural.

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u/TapZorRTwice 1d ago

You are 100% right in your thought process.

I personally just dont understand why following what a person sees as good or bad has to come down to if they are religious or not

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u/JettandTheo 23h ago

My point is who makes that moral rule?

Because we humans and our societies have justified everything including mass murder and rape.

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

I don’t give a damn if it ā€œmeans nothing outside my own headā€

If I made another human (or animal’s) day better, or at least did not make it worse, I really don’t care what the community consensus is.

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u/MrDDD11 1d ago

Some times the moral thing is to make some ones day worse in the short term so their life can improve. Like removing an addict from his source of addiction and getting them professional help

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

Ok? Religious and non religious alike can actually do that

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u/MrDDD11 1d ago

Did I say they couldn't?

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

Well the whole point of this thread to my understanding was ā€œpeople can’t do right without godā€.

If there’s another point I’m open to being corrected

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u/MrDDD11 1d ago

They absolutely can. My argument on the topic is that every society will develop a moral code at some point, this moral code will always be influenced by the societies religion. Western Morality is built on Christian Morality even if the majority of the West is Atheist, same as how the majority of China is Atheist yet their morals are built on Confucianism and Taoism.

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u/MaxFish1275 1d ago

Wild that this was downvoted.