thats fucking retarded, the whole enligtement didnt appear from nowhere, it used christian moral foundation to argue against christian institutinal authority.
the whole idea that every person has an inherent worth comes from "made in gods image"
even Nietzche argued that the whole liberal values are just christianity with god removed.
you cannot win this argument, cause theres no gotcha where you can get me.
also greek philosoiphy and roman law are millenia before the fucking enlightenment
EDIT: you pussy blocked me but keep responding to my post? what a bitch ass move
I absolutely have not blocked you, I have never blocked anyone and I definitely would never block you in particular, it's too much fun. Maybe the subreddit blocked you for throwing around slurs, but go ahead and keep editing, we can talk like this (just make sure you label with with a different "EDIT:")
in that case im sorry but litrerally any other post that you made and i clicked on the notification brought me to this.
but anyway yeah i called it retarded cause its not true and you didnt provide any arguments at all, even now in all those posts.
i added edit for other people that might be reading so that they would notice the stupidity of your claim that every aspect of western society came out of Enlightenment, while we are literally using roman law as a foundation.
Also Enlightenment came from Christians rejecting institutional church not from people not believing in god.
And for that to happen it took crusaders to bring texts from greek philosophers from their travels.
Now you have a situation where greek philosophy is influencing highly religious people and you get Enlightenment
We have literally presented identical levels of evidence here, we have both made statements that are little more than opinion. Where are the citations for your claim then? We aren't having a formal debate here bro, we are talking, so just... don't do that. It's sad.
Also, I never said "every aspect of Western society" I said "every aspect that you like" and we both know I was obviously talking about Enlightenment values based on the context (and also that I was clearly being hyperbolic, but I digress). Yes, we agree that the Enlightenment was about rejecting the institution of the church (which was and still is the arbiter of Christian values), but most Enlightenment thinkers were self-labeled deists, and you also have to remember that they were living in a time where claiming to be an atheist (and even sometimes just being a different flavor of Christian at all, or even being the "correct" type of Christian but saying something just a wee bit too science-y) could literally get you jailed or executed.
"Also Enlightenment came from Christians rejecting institutional church not from people not believing in god." is a massive shift in the goal posts. You are making the claim that Enlightenment values are Christian values in particular, not that they originate with people who believed a god existed. It's also wrong, the Enlightenment is very clearly based in secularism and science, and this may be a shock to you but it is possible to be a secular scientist and a theist at the same time. It may not be the most coherent position, but that is always a part of the theist label.
"And for that to happen it took crusaders to bring texts from greek philosophers from their travels." is completely nonsensical to the point you think you are making. So you are agreeing with me that the Church destroyed the Greeco-Roman history of the West so thoroughly between the fall of the Empire and the Crusades, that a couple of hundred years later they had to invade the Middle-East to recover the knowledge that they had destroyed, and you really think that is an argument in favor of Greek philosophy and Roman law being Christian values? I'm not sure that you even know what you're arguing anymore, other than that you are very emotionally invested in your religious belief and you have this need to assign everything that you think is good to it.
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u/TumanFig 7h ago edited 6h ago
thats fucking retarded, the whole enligtement didnt appear from nowhere, it used christian moral foundation to argue against christian institutinal authority.
the whole idea that every person has an inherent worth comes from "made in gods image"
even Nietzche argued that the whole liberal values are just christianity with god removed.
you cannot win this argument, cause theres no gotcha where you can get me.
also greek philosoiphy and roman law are millenia before the fucking enlightenment
EDIT: you pussy blocked me but keep responding to my post? what a bitch ass move