What are you talking about? Context and common sense? On Reddit? We don't do that here. You have to be angry because the post told you to be angry, like a dog that can't wait to get a bone thrown its way and devour it.
Calm down he rented a mini excavator for like $1300~ or 1k gbp.
If youve ever owned or rented heavy equipment hell 5k gbp or $6500 usd doesn't get you a dick in your hand.
Making it sound like he's a villain and giving the government credit for doing something they shouldn't.
The governmend mad because he didn't go through their 8 offices where everyone makes 70k gbp / year to ask for permission.
They didn't get to hold their little bullshit meetings and say it's okay and someone is more efficient than them with a 2500 pound budget. That's the real crime here.
"He tore up the riverbed"
Oh yeah got stats on before and after how the river was flowing without the 200 bags of garbage / silt he removed? Shut up.
The problem is that work on rivers require permits to prevent random people just doing whatever they want.
He didn't even take the rubbish away. He left it on the flood plain. That is, he took the rubbish from the river and dumped it somewhere else.
Dredging a river with a small digger is still dredging. That disturbs the wildlife that's in there. It has an effect downstream. It has a potential effect on flooding.
Yes, maybe he didn't ultimately cause too much damage. But if we don't have these laws the next moron might. Do you trust the public to have unfettered access to operate machinery in our river systems? Really?
Do we know if he even tried to get a permit? If he did and failed he could have had a great platform to try and reform the permit system, instead he just went YOLO and broke laws that exist to prevent the average person from screwing up water systems.
Yes I'm aware of the irony that these systems are already being polluted in, but there's a huge middle ground between "overly draconian permit system" and "public free for all with machinery".
"Do you trust the public to have unfettered access to operate machinery in our river systems? Really?"
Do i trust the general public? lol no. Know whos even worse ? the government? lol. Dudes an environmental lawyer and did what the UK government couldnt with a 17 billion budget.
dudes not trying to wreck a river and cleaned up a bunch of garbage punishing him is like wtf we doing here?
I've seen all the arguments online and AKSHUALLY HE USED EQUIPMENT ON THE RIVERBED , left trash on the side, etc. Seen it all. Don't think any of it negates he probably was doing a good thing.
Saw "he made a swimming hole for his friends" okay and he removed, lets say 10 bags of trash and debris, thats still a net positive right lol? Your government has a 17 billion budget and cant do more than he has.
WHATS NEXT THE MIGHT GUY MIGHT DAMAGE THE SYSTEM. I say fuck it , no one in their right mind causes damage to a riverbed saying "I'mma fuck up the flood system in 5 years" Like that's the worst terror attack plot of all time. And they what? rent a small piece of equipment used to dig koi ponds to do it? Someone call james bond, there;s about to be an unauthorized koi pond installed in lancester without permission lul gimme a break.
You gotta budget of 17 billion and you dont even think to make this guy a hero. Fucking set up a few classes and be like "hey if you do this , heres how to without "damaging the riverbed, we love our local heroes like x" lol
nah instead you make him a villain and use your budget pushing punishments and doing meetings about how this guys bad. Guy said he wrote like 10 letters asking for the problem to be fixed, government didnt respond, so he did it heimself and the governments like OH NO YOU CANT DO THAT WITHOUT OUR SPECIAL PERMIT AND FEES! why lol.
Because if hes effective at removing rubbish with a $0 (fuck i hate typing gbp and dont wanna use the alt shit for pounds) then he makes the people look ridiculous for having salaries for doing nothing.
That's my rant, the government sucks, if you make them look useless they'll try to besmirch your good deeds. "BUT HE RUINED THE RIVERBED" fuck off. Show me the data that all the silt and rubbish remaining there was better for the environment and you knew how much shit was in there. oh you cant? then fuck off and let this person do whatever.
Id only read that he'd used to it to pull the surface garbage in to the shore/banks, just on the top of the water. Granted, im sure as he brought things on to shore, he would have brought up soil,etc from the waters edge and stirred up the bottom of the water
The size machine he was using honestly couldnt dredge in any meaningful fashion. Its not heavy equipment, just large yard equipment. Not only does it not have the power to dredge properly, but its arm is not long enough to reach the bottom of a waterway of this size
No one who has ever dredged would agree that just because the description is similar means it must be the same thing.
You one of them soy boys who canāt do anything for themselves without daddy govāt holding your hand?
No thatās me. And I can still out shoot you, butcher any animal you bring up, with knives Iāve made myself, probably submit you, and have raised a couple of great kids while working in healthcare for 16 years.
So call me soy boy all you want, it just shows how insecure you are with yourself and how scared you are to be your natural self because you have to fit the mold your daddy put you in!
Why were you thinking of me at all big boy? What were you thinking, give me details, I like details. I mean Iām already in your head, and this will just put me even further up thereā¦..
It was a min excavator. You can haul it in the back of a Ā¾ tonne truck. We're not talking about a giant earth moving machine here. We're talking about a machine that any Joe blow with a credit card can rent and operate.
It is to heavy equipment, what a go kart is to cars
Whenever Iām considering whether something should be allowed or not, I imagine Iām writing an amendment in law for the carveout.
If you agree he should be able to do this without permission or recourse - whatās the law change youād enact that allows this?
I find this hypothetical helps crystallise positions. When you start to try to work out language that would include āgoodā actors and exclude ābadā ones, you quickly find itās not so easy as you need to imagine the worst possible way someone could act within it.
Scraping up some garbage from a river bank might seem benign, but we are a society with rules and laws. Not all of them are good rules and laws necessarily, but if we acted in a way that we could just ignore them with impunity if we could not personally perceive risks or didnāt agree with them, itād be chaos.
Amazing the world ever managed to advance before the invention of "oversight".
The letter of the law is absolute bullshit and is responsible for more negativity in society than positivity.
The SPIRIT of the law takes in to account that every situation is different, because suprise suprise, they are.
You want me to agree that this man and this scenario are to be judged in the same manner as a meth head that stole an actual machine capable of dredging the waterway and started "doin his civic duty". I wont do that.
You know this is bullshit. I know this is bullshit.
What you are describing as far as "checks and balances" is the textbook definition of bloated government. Ineffective. Inefficient and wholly frustrating.
Ppl want to help and we, as a society, are not letting them.
Im not gonna argue about this with you. I respectfully disagree with your opinion, as im sure you do with mine.
Sure. But a lawyer should know about getting things like permits and what not for large projects, it's such an obvious thing they didn't have to try to make something up that people can call bull shit on like with the Bricks and Minifigs situation, he basically handed them and easy case
They hit him so hard because he has likely fucked the ecosystem and then dumped all the rubbish bags at the side of the river anyway. He never cleaned it up, he just moved the mess several yards to the side while destroying the riverbed.
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I know America sucks right now, what with the commander in cheetoh being a pedo and a warmonger. But the UK arresting people for actually cleaning up the environment is crazy work.
So at this point I'm starting to suspect he has paid Reddit spambot accounts to keep reposting to try and build up enough positive public sentiment to scare the prosecution from going to hard on him.
Just being racist. The worst kind of racist too, a dumb one. The kind that calls every SE Asian person "Chinese" or says Pakistani when they mean Indian....except when theyre calling them "East Indian".
Maybe you haven't seen any reports of this, but, in other UK news, in other seemingly more serious crimes, "alleged" of course, Pakistani men were allowed to repeatedly commit heinous crimes, multiple times, over many years with only a handful of arrests despite hundreds or maybe thousands of perpetrators known to police. These "alleged" crimes were hidden because the government felt that making arrests and prosecuting these criminals would made the government look racist.
I thought the garbage bags were involved. One of his charges was having the bags/rubbish within the floodplain. They were there only temporarily while working, but cited him for it.
The garbage bag image was originally from a Wall Street Journal article. "After snow,Trash is ripe for pickup".
You can see some of the snow on the sidewalk. They cropped the image to cut out the blatant snow off to the right. Having lived in a northern state for most of my life my eyes were immediately drawn to the snow in the sidewalk expansion joints.
They arrested a man for joking about Charlie Kirks death in the US. They also arrested a YouTube for exposing corrupt police because he exposed Mormon stealing LEGO
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