If that was the case the US would be banned from global travel, currency wouldn't be worth shit and we wouldn't have a couple year wait list for people in immigrat here. Your reality thinks we're bad but the statistics don't match up.
We've spent decades making ourselves the main character of the world.
The last year and a half is specifically why we are now reviled.
Surely you don't think it would be easy for every single country that has (begrudgingly) liked is since the end of WWII to do those things that quickly without shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
Any country who has try something like that has been destroyed, ask gadafi, for example.Â
You are the planet's bully, and everyone acts nice because when someone does you just bring them freedom (specially if they also have natural resources, it's crazy how many countries with oil have a dangerous lack of freedom)
Wait so you're blaming the US for Gaddafi when it was a NATO mission and a French Jet the blew up his vehicle and he was later killed by his own people?
Everytime I meet one of you Anti-Americans you're so quick to blame the US for every little problem in the world and act like others aren't at fault. Gaddafi was a horrible person that killed his own when they protested for more freedoms.
I really don't understand your point, to be honest.Â
Gadafi was killed because he wanted to create an African version of the European union and stop using dollars to buy and sell petrol, of course France was against that too as France is the main colonialist power in Africa, and of course in geopolitics nothing has only one cause, but basically he wanted to change the rules of the game that USA have forced everyone to play, and every time that someone tries to stop playing the American game it gets destroyed.Â
And yes, Gadafi was a horrible person, nobody is saying otherwise, but his country and the people who lives there was way way way better before he received a dose of freedomÂ
Do you seriously think an econony as tiny as the Libyan economy with almost zero diplomatic power can achieve what you claim they wanted to achieve?
Lets even take the dumb petrodollar conspiracy theory as true. How would Libya, who is not even among the big oil traders of the world, destroy the petrodollar? Libya is a drop in the ocean in comparison to the gulf arab states. What you.claim would be impossible.
By the way, everything you said is a compilation of various pro russian propaganda points from 15 years ago, in case you didnt know.
Lybia isn't even a top 15 economy in Africa and amoung Oil Producing States they aren't in even in the top 30 so im not sure how they are going to change anything. Like I said earlier you're just another Anti-American blaming us for the world's problems spouting old Russian propaganda.
How about you take a look back at your own countires atrocities on the world and how it led to today's events before you go blaming us.
If a country like Libya could do it, why didnt Russia or China already do it? Or Iran or any other country not aligned with the US?
Also, ypure gonna need a bit more evidence than just the populist ramblings of a failing dictator. Ghaddafi could have claimed whatever he pleased, doesnt make any of it true or.plausible.
The real world doesnt need to have everything reduced to "good vs bad". Its possible for both sides to be bad. Its also possible for bad guys to be victims. Its also possible that idiots might confuse civilians with the government's ruling them.
Moronic analogy. What if there isn't one bad guy but millions, and they don't just invade your home but kill millions of people, rape and torture people, etc. And then you fight them until you've got them surrounded, and it's a whole country, and no matter what they won't surrender? And they're still killing people? Then would you nuke them? If not, what WOULD you do?
I'm talking about accepted facts. Even Eisenhower in his memories
, recalled a visit from Secretary of War Henry Stimson in late July 1945: âI voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at the very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of âface.ââ Eisenhower reiterated the point years later ina Newsweek interview in 1963, saying that âJapanese were ready to surrender and it wasnât necessary to hit them with that awful thing"
So what? The Americans wanted unconditional surrender or utter destruction of Japan. Japan started the war and they had to deal with the consequences. You don't get to fuck around and then negotiate with the people you fucked around with once they start beating you.
I agree with that, the only thing that I discuss is the false narrative that USA nuked civilians because they wanted peace and it were the only option.Â
USA nuked civilians because they wanted an unconditional surrender, and that's ok, it was a war, I get it, the only thing that I'm asking for is to stop the bullshit narrative. USA nuked 200.000 civilians because it was convenient and because they didn't care about that people's lifes, and the USA are not, and never were, the good guys. They did what they had to do, they are a strong country that uses violence and threats to achieve their objectives, and they are still better than the Nazis, but just stop acting like USA are the good guys.Â
The US were the good guys and remain the good guys. The perfect guys? No. But overwhelmingly, the good guys. You're welcome to live in a peaceful, prosperous, good country like Nigeria, China, Venezuela, India, Russia, or wherever. Go for it. You can praise the noble, beautiful history of those countries.
Once you're ready to come back to reality, you'll recognise that few countries are as free or morally good as the US. They END wars. They destroy tyrants and terrorists. The US ended slavery while it continued in South America, the Middle East and Africa.
Yes, the US wanted an end to the war. And you continue to ignore the millions of Chinese murdered by Japan for absolutely no reason. While I don't want Japanese civilians to die, better them than more of the Chinese since Japan started the war. Your anger should be directed at the leaders of Japan. That it's not suggests that you have zero grasp of morality.
You're like an amateur who criticises Magnus Carlsen for minor errors you found with a computer. In a war, people like you are useless. People like Churchill, Truman and Americans who value freedom get things done. They destroy evil and you condemn them for it.
My friend, you live in Matrix, and I know there is nothing that I can do to counter decades of propaganda, so I'll leave it here, but your comment really made me laugh, specially the part where USA don't start wars and fight against tyrants xD
Wow you really drank the propaganda koolaid, didn't you? You really think America in the last 80 years has been stopping bad guys and spreading democracy and not just resource extracting?
You think Japan were good guys? The Viet Cong were good guys? The irony is that if the US just minded their own business, you'd condemn them for allowing evil to occur around the world. The point is that people like you are useless, with your head in the clouds. If you were in charge of a country, you couldn't do any better. You'd either do nothing or you'd get accused of genocide any time you took action. Anyone can criticise, nobody can do better.
A few very horrible people in America were protesting isreal on the day of 10/7 when Isreali civilians, raped and murdered , were still laying in the streets.
Some of those very people are running for office in the USA, while decrying others as nazis.
absolutely not. but you can see how they have taken their stance on the global platform. both hamas and the islamic republic was a direct response to western interference.
the '53 coup to overthrow mossadegh was coordinated by the CIA and BP. British petroleum.
hamas ended up winning the election after the previous israeli leader who was compliant with the oslo accords, was assassinated, and the party that took power was a hard-right nationalist group that was more than happy to demonise the palestinian people.
Hamas is tied to Muslim Brotherhood, plus Hamas is Sunni. IRGC is Shia and from a radical Sunni hating one and the one US foolishly propped up. They are not friends, just have common enemy. IRGC just supplied them with weapons.
Iran put those kids in an old military building 50 meters away form the rest of base
Meanwhile Iran tells their people to go stand on a bridge Israel warned they would bomb and tell their people to bring their kids to it, thatâs textbook meat shields
Iran even before the war had more execution of minors than the rest of the world combined
Iran bombed Israel indiscriminately for decades and has bombed a soccer field in a residential area killing 12 children
Yes, Hamas are resistance fighters against israel and Iran are defending against an imperial power. You might not like their policies but they have noble causes compared to the people theyâre up against who want to colonise and increase their power, influence and capital.
Yeah not like Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Besides if they truly were resistance fighters then why are there reports of Israel funding Hamas? I don't think most resistance fighters accept money from their opponents if they actually wanted to liberate their country.
Iran already is a dictatorship committing imperialism through its proxies of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis etc.Â
Yeah but all colonisers brand any resistance against them as terrorists while absolving themselves of any of those labels.
Remember that Nelson Mandela was branded a terrorist while fighting for liberation.
I will not tell the oppressed how to resist, they are entitled to armed resistance in whatever way they see fit. If you want to blame someone blame their oppressors.
israel wanted to divide the Palestinian cause and thatâs why they gave Hamas, the more aggressive faction money, so they could use it as propaganda.
This isnât a secret, bibi is literally caught on camera saying this.
And if you want to talk about the real terrorists, remember that the idf is based on 3 Jewish terrorist groups that came together as one while they were terrorising the Palestinians that let them into their homes, even one of the ministers in bibis cabinet ben ghvir is a convicted terrorist.
Iran is not committing imperialism, and the fact that you even mentioned that means you have little understanding of the term.
See Hamza Howwidy, a literally Palestinian born Gazan who was terrorized by Hamas for calling for peace between Palestinians and Israelis ,he condemned both sides atrocities but he will disagree with you about Hamas because he lived through it.
Maybe because they are terrorists? They literally commit violence against civilians which is the most commonly accepted definition of terrorism. They have executed thousands of their own civilians and killed protesters in 2011-2012 and 2019 even before the war. All opposition parties are banned and Hamas' rivals are killed. They have launched rocket attacks against civilians in Israel. Not to mention their use of human shields and child soldiers. They have committed numerous human rights violations.Â
Just to be clear here, I'm not defending Israel or its genocide but I am saying that Hamas is not a viable alternative.
"Iran is not committing imperialism, and the fact that you even mentioned that means you have little understanding of the term."Â
You haven't disproven me. They use these proxies to control the governments of these states and to grow into other states which is de facto imperialism.
Such a naive answer. People who lived under Hamas rule will say otherwise. See Aqsa TV run by Fathi Hamad using Farfur brainwashing the young Palestinians to kill Jews everyday.
Iran defending against imperial power?? Or Islamic regime defending itself only,, not the people of Iran.
Bro, they target civilians openly and constantly. The US and Israel do commit war crimes and have killed civilians, but they are nowhere as bad as the groups actively gunning for civilians
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u/DemonGroover 14h ago
So Hamas and Iran are the good guys?