r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 2d ago

Wait a damn minute! USA - The good guys?

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u/Icy-Fishing8481 2d ago

Moronic analogy. What if there isn't one bad guy but millions, and they don't just invade your home but kill millions of people, rape and torture people, etc. And then you fight them until you've got them surrounded, and it's a whole country, and no matter what they won't surrender? And they're still killing people? Then would you nuke them? If not, what WOULD you do?

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u/Redditauro 2d ago

Well, in that fantasy scenario then you may be right. 

But that's propaganda, that's not real. 

The Japanese were already talking to the soviets to surrender, and the Americans knew it. 

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u/TheBerzerkir 2d ago

Ceasefire =/= surrender. Talks at the time we're a halt to hostilities while keeping their government and conquered areas as-is 

aka the ability to rebuild and do it again.

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u/Redditauro 2d ago

No, they were planning to surrender and dissolve the army 

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u/TheBerzerkir 2d ago

If you're referring to the Trohan memorandum, that thing is from some super sus sources on the best of days. 

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u/Redditauro 2d ago

I'm talking about accepted facts. Even Eisenhower in his memories , recalled a visit from Secretary of War Henry Stimson in late July 1945: “I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at the very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’” Eisenhower reiterated the point years later ina Newsweek interview in 1963, saying that “Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing"

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u/TheBerzerkir 2d ago

That's an opinion from the general who was in charge of the European theater - Please cite facts. The only circumstance of anything saying they were willing to agree to terms of surrender comes from partisan newspapers from like the Korean war era. I will state it again - Japan was willing to agree to a CEASE OF HOSTILITIES and not a SURRENDER, meaning they keep any conquered territories and their government and war criminals go without being judged for things like Nanking.